Originally posted by carver9
Zod either got an amp or Superman is still at his post crisis levels.
Or it's PIS? Because we know he's tougher - since you're using character statements, Damage hit Superman harder than when he fought Doomsday - and he wasn't even KOed (assuming we're taking Superman statements). So Superman CAN'T be at Post Crisis levels.
And if you cannot show Zod getting an amp, then it's pure plot that Zod can keep up with him, same way street level heroes aren't turned into pink mist when fighting heralds.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or it's PIS? Because we know he's tougher - since you're using character statements, Damage hit Superman harder than when he fought Doomsday - and he wasn't even KOed (assuming we're taking Superman statements). So Superman CAN'T be at Post Crisis levels.And if you cannot show Zod getting an amp, then it's pure plot that Zod can keep up with him, same way street level heroes aren't turned into pink mist when fighting heralds.
If youre going to troll, we can end this conversation.
Originally posted by carver9
If youre going to troll, we can end this conversation.
I'm not trolling? Zod hasn't been given an explicit amp (that I know of).
Superman is more powerful than he used to be (direct statement with Damage).
Yet how can Zod still keep up with Superman? We KNOW that ABC logic doesn't work, that scaling in comics doesn't work, because nothing is black and white, everything is a murky grey in between. Aquaman can fight evenly with WW, WW can fight evenly with Superman, Superman can fight evenly with Flash.....but Aquaman can't fight evenly with Flash. This is why fights aren't the best gauge, especially when characters with lots of appearances are involved.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not trolling? Zod hasn't been given an explicit amp (that I know of).Superman is more powerful than he used to be (direct statement with Damage).
Yet how can Zod still keep up with Superman? We KNOW that ABC logic doesn't work, that scaling in comics doesn't work, because nothing is black and white, everything is a murky grey in between. Aquaman can fight evenly with WW, WW can fight evenly with Superman, Superman can fight evenly with Flash.....but Aquaman can't fight evenly with Flash. This is why fights aren't the best gauge, especially when characters with lots of appearances are involved.
Lol... you're 100% trolling. We literally had an argument about Damage and you discredited the statement of Damage hitting harder than Doomsday. Its painful debating with you. Freaking frustrating. Anyways, let's play your way since you want to accept that statement today (and deny it tomorrow). Wonder Woman said Damage is also stronger than Superman. Do you accept it? Yes or no?
Aren't you the same guy that said with least showings, we have to go by fights. Zod falls into that category. Superman has FAR more showings than Zod, so of course he will have more fts. Wait, let me guess, that only applies to Hulk vs Doomsday? You will always be known to me as the highest order of hypocrite on this site. Next is H1, then ABHI.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you're 100% trolling. We literally had an argument about Damage and you discredited the statement of Damage hitting harder than Doomsday. Its painful debating with you. Freaking frustrating. Anyways, let's play your way since you want to accept that statement today (and deny it tomorrow). Wonder Woman said Damage is also stronger than Superman. Do you accept it? Yes or no?Aren't you the same guy that said with least showings, we have to go by fights. Zod falls into that category. Superman has FAR more showings than Zod, so of course he will have more fts. Wait, let me guess, that only applies to Hulk vs Doomsday? You will always be known to me as the highest order of hypocrite on this site. Next is H1, then ABHI.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you're 100% trolling. We literally had an argument about Damage and you discredited the statement of Damage hitting harder than Doomsday. Its painful debating with you. Freaking frustrating. Anyways, let's play your way since you want to accept that statement today (and deny it tomorrow). Wonder Woman said Damage is also stronger than Superman. Do you accept it? Yes or no?Aren't you the same guy that said with least showings, we have to go by fights. Zod falls into that category. Superman has FAR more showings than Zod, so of course he will have more fts. Wait, let me guess, that only applies to Hulk vs Doomsday? You will always be known to me as the highest order of hypocrite on this site. Next is H1, then ABHI.
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Do you know WHY I brought Damage up?
I think you think I am a hypocrite, because you have a poor memory and don't remember how things start, lol.
I only mentioned Damage, BECAUSE you started using character statements . You started this whole bit about using what Superman said about Zod being his equal, and Cyborg Superman. Read back, lol. If you hadn't mentioned Superman's statements, and focussed on his actual actions, I wouldn't have brought Damage up.
Smh.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
...Do you know WHY I brought Damage up?
I think you think I am a hypocrite, because you have a poor memory and don't remember how things start, lol.
I only mentioned Damage, BECAUSE you started using character statements . You started this whole bit about using what Superman said about Zod being his equal, and Cyborg Superman. Read back, lol. If you hadn't mentioned Superman's statements, and focussed on his actual actions, I wouldn't have brought Damage up.
Smh.
So we do agree based off fts, Hulk one punch kills Doomsday?
Originally posted by carver9
So we do agree based off fts, Hulk one punch kills Doomsday?
No! Because of my statement about showings and fight type feats Vs lifting type feats.
Simply put: if you can definitely showcase a character's strength/speed/durability through quantifiable feats, then use that. If you can't, because they don't have enough showings, then you scale off other characters. Simple.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No! Because of my statement about showings and fight type feats Vs lifting type feats.Simply put: if you can definitely showcase a character's strength/speed/durability through quantifiable feats, then use that. If you can't, because they don't have enough showings, then you scale off other characters. Simple.
So since Zod doesn't have anything close to Superman fts, fight count for the two?
Originally posted by carver9
So since Zod doesn't have anything close to Superman fts, fight count for the two?
Yup. Fights count to show he's on Superman's level, at Superman's usual levels in comics. Same way Thing can hang with Hulk.
When Superman's dials go up to 11, however, then it's a different story. Same way with Hulk - once he goes all out, full capacity, he folds Colossus and Thing etc
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup. Fights count to show he's on Superman's level, at Superman's usual levels in comics. Same way Thing can hang with Hulk.When Superman's dials go up to 11, however, then it's a different story. Same way with Hulk - once he goes all out, full capacity, he folds Colossus and Thing etc
Hes not on Superman usual level though. Superman usual level was getting laughed at by Zod...
The usual Superman was trying to drop Zod and failed and then got treated like fodder afterwards. We cant ignore this since fights matter.