Originally posted by carver9
We've already discussed this and you cried about it. I'm not ppstomg the same scans to you.
Originally posted by carver9
CIS is on, so Zod would probably start off wrecking Superman until Superman stops holding back. Zod would start off stronger due to CIS and Superman would eventually ramp up to his level. So both would be at planetary but Superman just a step behind.
What an idiot.
Originally posted by carver9
Character induced stupidity meaning they will fight in character.
It doesn't apply here, though.
CIS has two forms - stupidity (like for Rhino and Bizarro etc) and inhibition (for Superman and Surfer etc), which depends on the surroundings and the opponent.
Superman, according to the rules, won't be inhibited here. Not against Zod, not against Hal, not against WW. CIS would be off.
From the rules:
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.
In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:
The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience
Against Zod/Hal/WW, Superman would go all-out from the start (and obv, vice-versa). He knows them personally (Personality and Experience). He isn't fighting amongst civilians (Arena).
So he's not holding back. The rules give the example of MMH vs Amazo:
However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work.
Superman knows Zod, Hal, WW. He will go for broke right at the start (and obv, vice versa).
There is no CIS/CIP in effect.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
From the rules:Against Zod/Hal/WW, Superman would go all-out from the start (and obv, vice-versa). He knows them personally (Personality and Experience). He isn't fighting amongst civilians (Arena).
So he's not holding back. The rules give the example of MMH vs Amazo:
Superman knows Zod, Hal, WW. He will go for broke right at the start (and obv, vice versa).
There is no CIS/CIP in effect.
But he also isn't fighting to kill like Zod would. We've actually seen pieces of this play out in comics. Zod was literally standing there letting Superman wail on him and Superman was even screaming out "fall, damn you" and Zod smiled at Superman failed attempt at trying to hurt him. Zod fights to kill, Superman doesnt.
Originally posted by carver9
But he also isn't fighting to kill like Zod would. We've actually seen pieces of this play out in comics. Zod was literally standing there letting Superman wail on him and Superman was even screaming out "fall, damn you" and Zod smiled at Superman failed attempt at trying to hurt him. Zod fights to kill, Superman doesnt.
But going all-out doesn't mean killing? Nobody said anything about killing, Superman would be going all-out for the knockout blow. At the same time, he would be using his speed to avoid attacks (if he can), freeze breath, HV, the works.
That's where you guys always misunderstood the rules. In character, Superman isn't going to literally assrape his enemies at lightspeed (and I mean, literally). But he would still be punching with all his strength, avoiding getting hit where possible, etc etc.
He's not holding back. But this doesn't mean killing, either.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But going all-out doesn't mean killing? Nobody said anything about killing, Superman would be going all-out for the knockout blow. At the same time, he would be using his speed to avoid attacks (if he can), freeze breath, HV, the works.That's where you guys always misunderstood the rules. In character, Superman isn't going to literally assrape his enemies at lightspeed (and I mean, literally). But he would still be punching with all his strength, avoiding getting hit where possible, etc etc.
He's not holding back. But this doesn't mean killing, either.
He would need to kill in order to beat Zod though. There's a huge difference when youre facing an opponent that is literally your equal in every way but one is going for the kill and the other isnt.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why only since rebirth? Aren't they the same? And why do you think he needs to kill to defeat him, since Zod isn't immune to being KOd?
Is Superman more powerful than his post crisis self? If so, Zod has literally been keeping up with him since rebirth and at a couple of points, had an advantage. Why not rebirth?