LordGod
The One
Gender: Male Location: Silver City
Omnipotence vs. Omniscience
In a forum fight, what would be more useful?
A character with true omnipotence (absent omniscience) or a character with true omniscience, but no other powers?
__________________
Jun 4th, 2021 02:49 PM
Philosophía
"The devil made me do it"
Gender: Male Location: Void
If you're truly omnipotent, you can give yourself omniscience.
But if you're just omniscient you can be.....impotent.
__________________
“Perhaps this is the ultimate freedom. The freedom to leave.”
Jun 4th, 2021 02:52 PM
DarkSaint85
Senior Member
Gender: Unspecified Location:
"I know the exact second my opponent's fist will smash into my nose!!"
VS
"I turn my opponent into a swarm of soap bubbles."
Hmm. Tough.
__________________
Jun 4th, 2021 02:53 PM
Philosophía
"The devil made me do it"
Gender: Male Location: Void
"I know all the ways I will lose to my opponent and there's nothing I can do about it. Swell. "
__________________
“Perhaps this is the ultimate freedom. The freedom to leave.”
Jun 4th, 2021 02:54 PM
Galan007
|Quantum Observer|
Gender: Male Location: Mars, 1985
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Phil
If you're truly omnipotent, you can give yourself omniscience.
Or remove it from your opponent.
__________________
"I am tired of Earth. These people.
I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."
Jun 4th, 2021 03:43 PM
leonidas
MWHAHAHAHA!
Gender: Male Location: Planning to take over the WORLD!
yeah that's a weird question. omniscience is just one part of omnipotence...
__________________
Jun 4th, 2021 04:57 PM
MrMind
Senior Member
Gender: Unspecified Location: Scatman
what about impotence?
__________________
Jun 4th, 2021 05:18 PM
Astner
The Ghost Who Walks
Gender: Male Location:
Going by the Doctrine of Divine Simplicity omnipotence and omniscience is the same thing, just as any other absolute attribute.
The argument is based on the premise that God is the greatest being conceivable, and since aseity is better than a dependent existence, God is a se. So God's existence is independent of everything which means that God isn't a composite of parts (since a composite of parts depend on its parts to be what it is), that is to say God is simple. In other words God's existence and essence, essence and attribute, and attribute and attribute are all the same thing .
This is pretty cool because it implies that the attributes associated with God (omnipotence, omniscience, etc.) are facets of the same indivisible concept.
Last edited by Astner on Jun 4th, 2021 at 07:43 PM
Jun 4th, 2021 07:39 PM
HumbleServant
Senior Member
Gender: Location:
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Astner
Going by the Doctrine of Divine Simplicity omnipotence and omniscience is the same thing, just as any other absolute attribute.
The argument is based on the premise that God is the greatest being conceivable, and since aseity is better than a dependent existence, God is a se. So God's existence is independent of everything which means that God isn't a composite of parts (since a composite of parts depend on its parts to be what it is), that is to say God is simple. In other words God's existence and essence, essence and attribute, and attribute and attribute are all the same thing .
This is pretty cool because it implies that the attributes associated with God (omnipotence, omniscience, etc.) are facets of the same indivisible concept.
Good post
Jun 4th, 2021 07:43 PM
Ambient
MAJIN_OVERLORD
Gender: Unspecified Location: REALM OF THE UNDERWORLD
I’ll take omnipotent it’s more of a physical form than the metaphysical and your always hard 🤙
__________________
My Artwork
Jun 5th, 2021 02:33 PM
Wonder Man
Most Powerful Avenger
Gender: Male Location: United States
Lake Ontario, NY
God can transform so that your argument of simplicity is wrong. Jesus transforms after the resurrection.
I’d choose omniscience. I’d be able to evoke any action.
__________________
Ion: Sub-Atomic Power
Jun 5th, 2021 03:13 PM
SquallX
Senior Member
Gender: Male Location: miami/fl.
With Omnipotence, you’re all powerful. That means you can give yourself omniscience, or take it away like a few posters claimed already.
Jun 5th, 2021 03:19 PM
Wonder Man
Most Powerful Avenger
Gender: Male Location: United States
Lake Ontario, NY
God said ‘ I am the first and the last.’ That means that one is throughout. So that taking away wouldn’t win.
__________________
Ion: Sub-Atomic Power
Jun 5th, 2021 03:28 PM
Wonder Man
Most Powerful Avenger
Gender: Male Location: United States
Lake Ontario, NY
I mean that there are ways to counter things.
__________________
Ion: Sub-Atomic Power
Jun 5th, 2021 03:42 PM
Wonder Man
Most Powerful Avenger
Gender: Male Location: United States
Lake Ontario, NY
Energy that increases forever ♾ could form a unclassified stop on the ball that rolls back down the hill for instance if you use that example.
__________________
Ion: Sub-Atomic Power
Jun 5th, 2021 03:47 PM
Wonder Man
Most Powerful Avenger
Gender: Male Location: United States
Lake Ontario, NY
So you can see how knowing any solution can improve the battle. Then you can outdo the power.
__________________
Ion: Sub-Atomic Power
Jun 5th, 2021 03:54 PM
Wonder Man
Most Powerful Avenger
Gender: Male Location: United States
Lake Ontario, NY
Of course the power throughout would become something infinitely greater and the battle can rage on.
__________________
Ion: Sub-Atomic Power
Jun 5th, 2021 03:57 PM
beatboks
ready for the loony bin
Gender: Male Location: Australia
quote: (post ) Originally posted by MrMind
what about impotence?
What about it, you have a problem???? Huh do you???
Oh you weren't talking about me......
Move along nothing to see here
Jun 7th, 2021 01:42 PM
StiltmanFTW
CBvF
Gender: Male Location: The Wiltshire Estates
quote: (post ) Originally posted by MrMind
what about impotence?
Asking the real questions here
__________________
Jun 7th, 2021 01:45 PM
"Id"
The Man of Tomorrow
Gender: Unspecified Location: Diablo Corps
Omnimpotent
__________________
Jun 7th, 2021 04:59 PM
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
Text-only version