Omnipotence vs. Omniscience

Originally posted by Bentley
The Omniscience character would know he's fictional and ask the writer to erase the Omnipotent one with some plot device in exchange of lottery numbers.

Omniscient character 10/10

That assumes the Omniscient character is able to interact with the writer. Maybe there's a supremely clever dolphin out there who just got slaughtered by a Japanese fisherman.

Originally posted by Stoic
I work long hours. Not much time. All the same, the Omniscient One would know where and how to use any and every artifact in the well known comic universes. Can they get to even one with a spell? Like a one time jaunt? Of course they can. Why not retrieve a Starbrand? That's just the beginning.

Fair enough.

Then why doesn't the Omnipotent One just.....make himself Omniscient? That's even faster than having to get the Starbrand etc...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You posted that scan recently, yes.

I find that weird, because...

1) Doom is a very capable sorcerer, gets more powerful with each year, one could say (got props from Strange, too),

2) he is willing to pay the price, as shown in Waid's run,

3) Taskmaster survived the Doombot magical attack only because of his custom armor. So, robots apparently can cast lethal-to-human spells, quick and easy.

Unless Doom has a whole group of people somewhere taking on that price (like Wong had that entire monastery dedicated to taking on Strange's boils and bleeding eyes etc). Or has a golem in Doomstadt like Strange had in his cellar.

Or writers just make this shit up as they go along 😂 personally, I always liked the cost angle, so....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or writers just make this shit up as they go along 😂

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that to be the case.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
personally, I always liked the cost angle, so....

I can see the appeal, I'm just saying it's not consistent at all with what we knew about Marvel's magic.

Of course, after so many decades, there is a shitload of inconsistencies almost everywhere.

Wolverine's healing factor --- either amps his physical stats or does nothing. Either comes in a package with extra pain tolerance or... just makes every wound hurt even worse.

Blade... enhanced by Morbius' bite... or bite not mattering one bit, as far as his physiology is concerned...

Black Widow... just a peak human, kinda average street... or a top street with SSS (Red Room's variant)...

Taskmaster... crystal clear memory being a side-effect of his photographic reflexes... or a condition making him forget stuff, also a side-effect of the same ability.

Blade can also turn into bats at will 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That assumes the Omniscient character is able to interact with the writer.

The thread states these are characters, how can you write an omniscient character without being omniscient yourself?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Blade can also turn into bats at will 👆

😆

To be fair, I believe that "Avengers of the Supernatural" arc had Blade and Ghost Rider amped, among others.

But I don't remember if it was implicitly stated or it was just us, kmcers, trying to make sense out of it as we always do?

If your Omniscient you can get in the guys face and walk away.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
If your Omniscient you can get in the guys face and walk away.

To the Omniscient, your posts, confusing they are.

Wonderman's posts make me leak precum even when I don't touch myself.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That assumes the Omniscient character is able to interact with the writer. Maybe there's a supremely clever dolphin out there who just got slaughtered by a Japanese fisherman.

Fair enough.

Then why doesn't the Omnipotent One just.....make himself Omniscient? That's even faster than having to get the Starbrand etc...

Unless Doom has a whole group of people somewhere taking on that price (like Wong had that entire monastery dedicated to taking on Strange's boils and bleeding eyes etc). Or has a golem in Doomstadt like Strange had in his cellar.

Or writers just make this shit up as they go along 😂 personally, I always liked the cost angle, so....

Because the Omnipotent One would be devoid of intelligence. Just a big dumb source of power.

One thing for sure... omnipotence and omniscience in comics are just hyperboles.

Originally posted by Stoic
Because the Omnipotent One would be devoid of intelligence. Just a big dumb source of power.

I mean....I assumed the Omnipotent one, whilst not Omniscient, wasn't going to be a literal retard. Just a normal person with normal intelligence.

That's like me assuming the Omniscient One was a brain in a jar somewhere, with no physical abilities whatsoever. That would be silly of me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Just a normal person with normal intelligence.

What if he is normal, but only by Ugandan standards?

Yes racist.

By normal intelligence you mean like an average american or normal normal?

Originally posted by Bentley
By normal intelligence you mean like an average american or normal normal?

so you mean either a super genius or normal normal?

Originally posted by MrMind
so you mean either a super genius or normal normal?

Sure, super exceptional can be average. Thanks for making my point

If you know everything you can compare apples to oranges so unlike Molecule Man who can turn a table into a stack of apples you can get in anyone’s face because well…you know.

Anotherwords say he’s the Apple 🍎 and your the omniscient orange. Because you know the answer to both you can get in his face and walk away.

When you know the will of the other person you can get in their face and walk away.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean....I assumed the Omnipotent one, whilst not Omniscient, wasn't going to be a literal retard. Just a normal person with normal intelligence.

That's like me assuming the Omniscient One was a brain in a jar somewhere, with no physical abilities whatsoever. That would be silly of me.

Or simply two forces devoid of form. They were literally birthed into existence at the beginning of this threads OP. Pure power is just that, it has no trajectory. It just sits there like a star. Being Omniscient is a literal rudder that has a means of reshaping reality, especially with the forces that exist in comic books.

Omniscience in a comic book reality, means that you would immediately know every single detail about what was within that selfsame place in it's entirety. You'd immediately know and understand the simplest to most complex things in a chaotic comic book reality. This is exactly why Rune King Thor written with understanding is a pretty big deal.

All of the best mages, smartest scientists, best tacticians, greatest builders, finest artists, greatest mathematicians etc, wouldn't be able to hold a candle to them. What is power without direction?

But OP said two characters.

So I didn't assume two nebulous clouds with no form or abilities, but two actual characters with names and intelligence and physical forms etc.