mr master what happens to the White Hot Room,when said universe/reality is warped/erased.it,s supposedly home to all the avatars and hosts of the Phoenix Force, its believed to be located within the City inside the Crystal although Jean grey has stated that "the White Hot Room exists on another plane of existence beyond everything".
also who can/ has power to reverse the affects of the mkraan crystals depending on how much damage has taken place?
thanks
Originally posted by lordboo
mr master what happens to the White Hot Room,when said universe/reality is warped/erased.
It's never been directly erased.
(although when the Omniverse gets folded,
the WHR gets folded as well like everything else in Marvel
with the exception of heaven)
And the Omniverse has been folded, 5 times in fact.
It's only been warped once that I know of directly, by Jamie Braddock.
It wasn't warped into anything specific,
Jamie just yanked it's quantum strings,
seemingly twisting its space into the Crystal on Rachel's chain,
which then transported Rachel and Betsy back to 616 through the crystal.
Originally posted by lordboo
it,s supposedly home to all the avatars and hosts of the Phoenix Force, its believed to be located within the City inside the Crystal although Jean grey has stated that "the White Hot Room exists on another plane of existence beyond everything".
Yea, the Mkrann Crystal is a Multiversal Nexus located beyond space & time,
all Nexus' are.
Nexus meaning you can reach any Universe in the Prime Multiverse from it.
(like a Highway into Alternate Realities)
The WHR is located within the Crystal though,
and it also serves as a hospital for universal Timelines
where Phoenix can act as a doctor in, to heal damaged Timelines.
According to Morrison's "Here comes tomorrow" it's also a headquarters for Avatars.
Funny though, not a single avatar was seen when Rachel & Betsy were there.
Morrison polluted it's history if you ask me, "Here comes tomorrow" was senseless.
(the artwork was superb though)
Anywho,
here's the entire official bio if you want a more thorough explanation:
Originally posted by lordboo
also who can/ has power to reverse the affects of the mkraan crystals depending on how much damage has taken place?
The Mkraan Crystal has only been unleashed once,
it Re-created an Alternate Universe in "Adventures of the X-Men #12"
The Impossible Man .... this is too much .... 😂
The IM pops up in New York (uhh ... that's New York in the "real world" yall)
He finds out that some Avengers are dead courtesy of the Scarlet Witch:
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IM converses with Surge,
(who's reading a comic book outside the X-Men mansion,
knowing about her future demise)
IM asks "Where are all the Mutants"
Surge replies, "Gone"
IM, "Gone?"
Surge, "No more Mutants"
IM, "Scarlet Witch?"
Surge, "Yeah"
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IM realizes the entire Marvel Universe is because of Wanda and gets angry:
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IM pops up at Marvel headquarters at 417 5th Av, Manhattan, NYC:
Looking for Stan Lee:
From here on it's pure madness ...
IM meets Ralph Macchio (executive Editor - Ultimate Universe)
IM meets John (Macchio's assistant)
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IM meets Tom Brevoot (executive Editor - 616 Universe)
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IM meets Joe Quesada (editor-in-chief of Marvel Comics)
Joe's Avatar states that:
"The Marvel Universe is our Universe, it's the real world with real world problems"
That actually took place in the REAL World on a show called the "Colbert Report"
Little old man from FF#511 ... eat your heart out.
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IM goes to Hollywood, where he finds a bunch of disgruntled Marvel characters,
waiting in line to complain to Stan about the Marvel Universe because of Wanda:
Gwen Stacy is pissed off she's made out to be a whore in HOM, LOL!
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IM still looking for Stan,
gets trampled by Photographers trying to get pics of Bruce Willis:
IM finally finds "The MAN"
Stan explains why the Marvel Universe was warped by Wanda.
Stan even states that IM is Marvel's version of Mr Mxy:
Stan, "And you, when you came along people were furious"
IM, "Me?"
Stan, "It's too jokey, it's a Mxyzptlk rip-off"
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Now I thought this was mentioned in IM's 2007 bio,
but unfortunately, IM's appearances in this updated bio
spans from 1963 to July 2006, while this issue was published in Nov. 2006.
But the issue I'm sure is canon,
because this isn't the first time IM has ventured into Marvel Headquarters.
Oh yea, he's done it before,
and it was referenced in his bio, making it Canon!
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continues in the next post ....
Here are those scans:
IM learns about Marvel Comic Books and decides he wants one about him:
There's Stan Lee again with other Marvel staff:
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But Stan is not having it,
IM actually attacks the Marvel staff including Stan:
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Unbelievable, Stan and his staff actually run for their lives:
The FF show up trying to protect them, they get stomped as well:
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So Reed figures that the only way to stop IM,
is to talk Stan into making a one-shot featuring the IM:
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IM is happy, and relents:
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And it's all Canon:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Here are those scans:IM learns about Marvel Comic Books and decides he wants one about him:
There's Stan Lee again with other Marvel staff:
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But Stan is not having it,
IM actually attacks the Marvel staff including Stan:
....................................................................................................
Unbelievable, Stan and his staff actually run for their lives:
The FF show up trying to protect them, they get stomped as well:
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So Reed figures that the only way to stop IM,
is to talk Stan into making a one-shot featuring the IM:....................................................................................................
IM is happy, and relents:
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[B]And it's all Canon
:
So he literally busted into heaven and kicked Gods Butt???
Originally posted by Horrificus
Continuity of the structure of all Universes, Multiverses and the Omniverse is based on the details put for by Mark Gruenwald.
What he created has been followed ever since.
DC and Marvel are separate Multiverses within 1 Omniverse.
In 1985, the DC Multiverse was reduced to 1 Universe, but since then, other DC Offshoots have been developing.
There is a Captain UK for Every Universe. Not Multiverse. Roma is an Omniversal Guardian, but not in the sense that she rules over the Omniverse. “Omniverse” is also used in the sense of “including all universes”, not just the label of the large, all-encompassing field holding all Multiverses. And, she is far from the most powerful being in the Multiverse. She is more of an Administrator at a Police Station.
She is actually from 1 Earth, in 1 Universe. She does not transcend the Marvel Multiverse, but is from a Dimension within it, called Otherworld.
If she did transcend the Marvel Universe, according to the creator of the Marvel and DC universal structure, she would also be in charge of DC Universe.
I would not normally refer a debate to a Wiki site, but in this case, I am familiar with the texts that have been used to obtain the conclusions at the links below.
The books and handbooks are listed on these sites, but I would be glad to list them for you elsewhere.
Please, for sanity’s sake, stop listening to Mr. Master. Because, Mr. Master listens to the voices in his head.Marvel Multiverse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29DC Multiverse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28DC_Comics%29Alternate Earths, as per Mark Gruenwald
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appalte.htmSorry I confused you guys.
My point is that, not every time the word "Omniverse" gets used in a story, is it referring to THE Omniverse.
Galactus, Impossible Man, Roma, Captain UK, none of the characters are at a level where they are acting on an Omniversal Level, can Threaten on an Omniversal Level, or in most cases, even a Multiversal Level.
According to Marvel Continuity, there is a Marvel Multiverse. And it floats in an Omniverse that holds ALL comic book companies, for example.
Galactus, Impossible Man, etc, are not on that level. If they were, they could just step right on into the DC Multiverse.
Omniverse has also been used as a term describing all the universes within the Marvel Multiverse.
Oh, and sorry about the cheap paint shop thingie. You don't really expect me to take more time than I have to, just to show you a stupid map, did you? We are only talking about comic books.
Dorks.
Mark Gruenwald writing is good and his definitions are very well argumented but have you read his book??? I doubt it do you know he worked for Marvel until 1995 the marvel Omniverse had been established on panel a year before he stopped. Now why would Mark (that was a top notch character in marvel) allow the creation of a Omniverse if his book clearly specified that such a thing wasn't possible???
Its simple from Mark view with the single Megaverse that marvel is according to him, the writer of the given Megaverse (which is Marvel in this case) is capable of defining the Megaverse in any way they see fit. Starwars Having a Galaxy, Startrek having one Too, Arboris having multiply universes next to each other without never mentioning a megaverse. Therefore its fully possibly by marks definitions for Marvel to have there seperate omniverse within a megaverse. Therefore Roma can very well be a omniversal Guardian within marvels sphere, that is by comic definitions and by the real world defenitions a 100% possible.
And then we could use oure own logic and begin to think about that if we accept Marks writings then we also accept that all fiction in all there formes are actual places and are taking place and given the right technology we could Visit them if we where capable of traveling through multiply dimensions. That is what people that accept the omniverse idea are actually believing in.
Sorry master no intend to spam just ran across Lionheartmm that said the same thing and I replyed the same way, as I do now.
Originally posted by Utrigita
So he literally busted into heaven and kicked Gods Butt???
Yea, mindboggling isn't it.
It seems that the Impossible Man ... really IS the Impossible Man.
So I guess we have a new Supreme , Supreme Being. 😂
Now nothing Mxy has ever done surprises me. Mxy & IM are unique indeed.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry master no intend to spam just ran across Lionheartmm that said the same thing and I replyed the same way, as I do now.
Actually what you posted in response to that person was well thought out,
and I agree 100% with you.
It took many pages of back & forth and the message never got through anyway.
A clarification :
The Omniverse contains every comic book from every company that exists (Marvel , Dc etc) . It contains every Universe that has , is and will be shown in any comic book .
Each line of comics and all the realms associated with it are within the Megaverse of that particular company , a Megaverse that is contained within the larger Omniverse .
The Marvel Universe is a Megaverse and the same goes for DC . Every realm mentioned in the Marvel comics belongs to their Megaverse .
Period .
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
A clarification :The Omniverse contains every comic book from every company that exists (Marvel , Dc etc) . It contains every Universe that has , is and will be shown in any comic book .
Each line of comics and all the realms associated with it are within the Megaverse of that particular company , a Megaverse that is contained within the larger Omniverse .
The Marvel Universe is a Megaverse and the same goes for DC . Every realm mentioned in the Marvel comics belongs to their Megaverse .Period .
Marvel's On Panel and Bio clarifications:
Marvel has it's own Omniverse!
(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2007 - Glossary)
"The Omniverse, Group of Alternate UniverseS that encompass All Reality"
The Omniverse according to MARVEL!
The company that creates and publishes Marvel comics.
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Roma's Starlight Citidel oversees the entire Marvel Omniverse:
"from this venue,
the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"
But how can this be if Marvel only has one Megaverse?
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Roma can also destroy any Universe within the Omniverse with the Celestial Nullifier:
"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
"By breaking it,
that Entire Portion of the OMNIVERSE CEASES TO EXIST"
But how can this be if Marvel only has one Megaverse?
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In fact, the Celestial Nullifier has been able to do for quite a while:
"A WHOLE UNIVERSE! ... He just WIPED OUT a WHOLE UNIVERSE at the flick of a switch"
"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE there is NOT ONE Universe
that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"
But how can this be if Marvel only has one Megaverse?
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The actual Omniverse being depicted On Panel:
Within the Siege Perilous:
It's an Infinite tunnel of UniverseS:
(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2007 - Glossary)
"OMNIVERSE - Group of Alternate UniverseS that encompass ALL REALITY"
But how can this be if Marvel only has one Megaverse?
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Hey, did anyone notice how similar the Siege Perilous is to the Cosmic Vortex?
My, my.
Or, you prefer the Watcher's (Uatu) validation:
First time the Omniverse was acknowledged by Marvel ON PANEL (1992)
The Watcher and Her, are searching for Quasar who Quantum Jumped out of the 616 Multiverse
into the Multiverse that houses the New Universe.
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"He is somewhere Beyond the Mutliverse of Dimensions"
"What's Beyond the Multiverse?"
"Beyond the Multiverse Exists an Omniverse, a Continuum of Multiverses"
Watcher goes on to say it has never been proven.
But let's proceed.
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"I refuse to believe you (Quasar) are dead, you must be in the Omniverse"
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Quasar returns to the 616 Multiverse
"I know atleast it's the right Multiverse" (signifying MORE than one)
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In the end, the Marvel Omniverse is confirmed ON PANEL
"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"
Ok, Here we have the Living Tribunal holding not one
but the embodiment of TWO MegaverseS Marvel MEGAVERSES in one hand!
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This is how the Omniverse is described according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
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"the REALMS with a Multiverse"
"Within the Omniverse,
collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses
are referred to as Megaverses"
So a Megaverse is a collection of Multi-verses in Marvel.
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Ok,
Now we have the Living Tribunal On Panel,
holding the embodiments of TWO Megaverses in his hand
like the toys of a child.
"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things,
feeling the flow of countless Realities,
their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment
rendered by HIS Three Faces"
"Two SIBLINGS,
whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"
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"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him,
for he is its Heart,
ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,
a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"
"A Hand soon opening
to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles
as Architects of New Realities ...
and ONLY this Judge knows why"
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And it's ALL CANON, according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS,
each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse,
within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"
swank ..... PERIOD!
Originally posted by lordboo
mr master how would nth man affect the hunger or oblivion?
Nth Man absorbs Reality, Oblivion is the embodiment of anti-reality,
so I don't think he would be affected.
I'm not exactly sure what the heck the Hunger is made out of,
but I do know that his form has substance,
so imo, he may be able to be affected/absorbed.
Hunger is a Multi-Universal destroyer (feeds on one Universe at a time)
Nth Man is a vortex/black hole, who absorbs Reality into himself
(he increases in power & size as he pulls Time & Space in)
and already withIN him there's a Multiverse of nothingness.
So yea, I'd say Nth Man is above the Hunger.
Showing me characters reffering to the Marvel Megaverse as an Omniverse doesn't change the fact that it's still a Megaverse within the larger Omniverse that contains all comic book companies .
Want proof ?
Here , I'll even use Marvel sorces :
"We have coined the term Megaverse to include realms associated within a particular line of comics [...]"
"This realms lack the cosmic beings of the mainstream Multiverse , yet they are still more closely tied to other Marvel Universes than those of other cosmic lines . Thus they are included in the Marvel Megaverse"
"EVERYTHING is in the Omniverse and there is only one Omniverse . Period .
Omni - "all"
" .. but it also includes every single realm , etc. , every mentioned in any of Marvel Comics , as well as any other company . "
Class Dismissed 🙂
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Showing me characters reffering to the Marvel Megaverse as an Omniverse doesn't change the fact that it's still a Megaverse within the larger Omniverse that contains all comic book companies .Want proof ?
Here , I'll even use Marvel sorces :
"We have coined the term Megaverse to include realms associated within a particular line of comics [...]""This realms lack the cosmic beings of the mainstream Multiverse , yet they are still more closely tied to other Marvel Universes than those of other cosmic lines . Thus they are included in the [b]Marvel Megaverse
""EVERYTHING is in the Omniverse and there is only one Omniverse . Period .
Omni - "all"
" .. but it also includes every single realm , etc. , every mentioned in any of Marvel Comics , as well as any other company . "
Class Dismissed 🙂 [/B]
I explained why Marvel can have there omniverse within a Megaverse did you completely overlook that fact???
You are also forgetting that it was the person who established the Omniverse as you are refering to, that along with the other at marvel decided that marvel had there own Omniverse. Mark Gruenwald >>>>>>>>>>>> Every speculation on the subject. And he wrote quiet clearly these facts in his book that I have mentioned, You should read the book.
Btw you are in the group that believe that these places actually exist okay...
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
A clarification :The Omniverse contains every comic book from every company that exists (Marvel , Dc etc) . It contains every Universe that has , is and will be shown in any comic book .
Each line of comics and all the realms associated with it are within the Megaverse of that particular company , a Megaverse that is contained within the larger Omniverse .
The Marvel Universe is a Megaverse and the same goes for DC . Every realm mentioned in the Marvel comics belongs to their Megaverse .Period .
as per definition, by Mark Gruenwald.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I explained why Marvel can have there omniverse within a Megaverse did you completely overlook that fact???
No, no.
Even though I just posted a slew of On Panel Omniversal depcitions,
and Bio statements,
heck the actual Omniverse itself is illustrated in the Earth X series,
even though the LT was artistically depicted ON PANEL holding TWO MegaverseS,
which was CONFIRMED in the LT's Official 2006 Bio,
even though Roma's Celestial Nullifier can erase any Universe in the Omniverse,
Marvel only has a single Megaverse. 😆
Originally posted by Utrigita
I explained why Marvel can have there omniverse within a Megaverse did you completely overlook that fact???You are also forgetting that it was the person who established the Omniverse as you are refering to, that along with the other at marvel decided that marvel had there own Omniverse. Mark Gruenwald >>>>>>>>>>>> Every speculation on the subject. And he wrote quiet clearly these facts in his book that I have mentioned, You should read the book.
👆
Originally posted by Utrigita
Btw you are in the group that believe that these places actually exist okay...
😂
Originally posted by Utrigita
as per definition, by Mark Gruenwald.
Indeed.
Forget it Ut,
if after ALL the Proof I just posted ON PANEL (in Marvel Comics)
and in Official Bios (of Marvel Comics) didn't make a dent,
I doubt comprehensive yet simple logic will.
Intransigence cannot be debated, believe me, I've tried.
