No more reposts Mr Master.
They've been countered. 🙁
The Exiles/Roma/whatever Marvel character you wanna name being able to survey the omniverse, doesn't equate to Marvel having its own omniverse separate from DC.
It is just the omniverse being depicted on panel, from a Marvel perspective.
You got an official statement for us yet mate? 😕
Marvel and DC have officially acknowledged that their collection of realities exist within the same omniverse.
No more loosely relevant, ambiguous comic scans coupled with YOUR OPINION on how they prove those OFFICIAL STATEMENTS wrong 😬
All i'm asking you to do is show us a statement from Marvel that states a change in canon. Show us a statement from Marvel that directly addresses the issue and tells us that Marvels collection of realities are the sum of the omniverse.
🙂
Originally posted by Galan007Here are the excerpts we are referring to,
from the last page of the latest issue of Exiles:
"The Omniverse ... There are [B]infinite MULTIverseS inside it
"[/B]
is Marvel's Omniverse!!!
Can anyone present evidence of another company claiming THIS? ... NOOOO!!!!
Is there On Panel PROOF ...
that directly links an "infinite MULTI-Multiversal Omniverse" with Marvel?
You bet your ass there is.
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(Goblin Queen/Beyonder's essence) ... like I said, ONLY Marvel's Omniverse!!!!
"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"
"The MultiverseS ...
the Past ... the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"
✅
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Hmm ... perhaps just the term MultiverseS on its own isn't enough.
Meh, how's this then ...
"In the Countless MultiverseS you (Alex) alone are unique"
"So much Power in such a small mind ...
we could have Conquered the MultiverseS together ...
Now I will have to do it alone"
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Meh, and like the Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)
clearly confirms,
it was Marvel's TOAA that CREATED This Omniverse containing infinite MULTIverseS
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Where do you think that 2005 entry is from?
(GLOSSARY of Terms 2005)
NOWWWWWWWW!!!!
=======WHERE IS MY 2007 AND 2008 ENTRYS COMING FROM? ======
Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms[/B])
ALSO ... clearly confirms,
Marvel Official Handbook Glossary of terms - Winter 2007
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+++++++ Is his Glossary of terms more legit than mine?
Although mine is from Winter 2007 while his is from 2005. ++++++++
I guess that's the way it is to a biased eye. 🙂
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1. Omniverse
2. TOAA
1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"
2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"
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Unless TOAA Created DC the "real World" and all other verseS in other companies,
Marvel MUST have their own Omniverse.
If you admit that TOAA created DC every other company plus the "Real World" (us)
I'll concede.
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yawn
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As we know, Merlyn was the Marvel "Supreme Omniversal Guardian"
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Merlyn created Otherworld & the Starlight Citidel
"from which he oversaw the Omniverse"
In fact,
Merlyn even made a 50,000 year plan,
to manipulate the entire Omniverse, towards enlightenment & peace"
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Roma (Merlyn's daughter) became the next Omniversal guardian:
"My hand guides the Omniverse Now,
Unlike my Father,
I have no desire to shape the destiny of men"
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The WRITER states:
"Roma ... defender of the Omniverse"
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The WRITER states:
"This is Roma ... For as long as anyone can remember,
she's borne a responsibility for the safety and security of the Omniverse,
Not simply the worlds & civilizations of a single Universe,
But OF THEM ALL"
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The Living Tribunal in other MulitverseS
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"The LT Exists in ALL MultiverseS simultaneously"
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"Other Shapes to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)
"Man's Universe (Multiverse)
has it's own Infinite number of variants known as Alternate Universes,
explored by the Watchers, (the Watchers explore the Multiverse)
All these variants share the same Three Spatial Dimensions
and obey roughly the same Laws"
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"There are Universes
whose number of Spatial Dimensions range between 2.7 etc and 6.2 etc,
these all share a commonality of Concepts,
hence they are grouped into a Cluster, (a Multiverse)
Man's Cluster is One of the responsibilities of the Living Tribunal"
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"Universes ... with lower or higher Dimensions ... are Truly different"
"even there Life exists, in Forms totally inconceivable to mankind"
"There the Living Tribunal takes Other Shapes
to Administer to Other Clusters" (MultiverseS)
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Meh, the fact that the LT was dealing with the power of TWO MegaverseS,
has been fallaciously twisted, although it's typical,
I seen cats here being swayed by the bull shit
"He (LT) sits at the CENTER of ALL things,
feeling the flow of countless Realities,
their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment
rendered by HIS Three Faces"
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"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS,
each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse,
within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"
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On top of that, each Megaverse is a collection of MultiverseS:
"the REALMS with a Multiverse"
"Within the Omniverse,
collections of associated REALMS from different MultiverseS,
are referred to as MegaverseS"
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So there are Realms that represent a Multiverse,
and a collection of those Realms (MultiverseS) are called MegaverseS.
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Intering,
perhaps that's why what a Megaverse is in Marvel is ALSO defined,
in the WINTER [SIZE=4]2007 Glossary of terms[SIZE=3]:
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Megaverse:
Group of alternate UniverseS which is larger than a Multiverse,
encompassing Realities with a certain closeness,
such as all those associated with Marvel.
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"Exiles ... repairing damaged Realities and Protecting the Omniverse"
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Excerpt from Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles bio:
"Insectoid alien explorers discover an observatory outside of space-time,
named ... later the Crystal Palace,
the equipment allowed them to observe every Reality in the Omniverse.
Eventually,
accidentally they caused All Creation (Omniverse) to become displaced"
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So they damaged the entire Omniverse?
But isn't Marvel just a Multiverse? dontgetit
Or did they damage DC, the "real world" and all other companies? 😆
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That's why the Exiles were chosen to "fix realities" across the Omniverse:
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The Crystal Palace is basically another Starlight Citidel,
and like Roma's CN, it can erase any Universe in the Omniverse.
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Notice in the Exile Bio above,
that the Crystal Palace accesses the Reality database (in the Starlight Citadel)
of Merlyn & Roma's Core Continuum.
The Starlight Citadel's data base oversees the entire Marvel Omniverse:
"from this venue,
the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the Omniverse"
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If Marvel is just a single Multiverse,
why is the Ultraverse located in ANOTHER Multiverse?
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems
"taken by an energy vampire (Rune) from an alternate-reality.
In that other Multiverse, they were collected by Loki"
(This is referring to the Avengers/Ultraforce arc)
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How can this be?
We know the Ultraverse is One of Marvel's Universes:
(excerpt from the official Marvel handbook 2007)
"Ultraverse - Alternate Earth" (Earth-93060)
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And yet, it's withIN ANOTHER Multiverse withIN Marvel,
but I thought all of Marvel was just a single Multiverse?
durznuts
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Marvel and DC have officially acknowledged that their collection of realities exist within the same omniverse.No more loosely relevant, ambiguous comic scans coupled with [B]YOUR OPINION
on how they prove those OFFICIAL STATEMENTS wrong 😬All i'm asking you to do is show us a statement from Marvel that states a change in canon. Show us a statement from Marvel that directly addresses the issue and tells us that Marvels collection of realities are the sum of the omniverse.
🙂 [/B]
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Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)
ALSO ... clearly confirms,
There you have the Omniverse definition and TOAA's.
Also notice the "New Universe" is just another Marvel Alternate Earth,
interesting when we know it's located withIN ANOTHER Multiverse.
(that's the one Quasar visited)
New Universe
"Alternate Earth (Earth-148611)
on which most superhumans abilities were granted by the STAR BRAND"
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Here's Quasar in ANOTHER Marvel Multiverse OUTISDE the Prime Multiverse.
Quasar interacting with D.L.P. (hero team) OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse in the NEW UNIVERSE:
"in 1986 ... folks began developing paranormal abilities ... it was called STAR BRAND"
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Do not be fooled by intransigence yall,
Quasar WAS OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse ...
in ANOTHER Multiverse that houses the New Universe (an Alternate Marvel Earth)
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(PROOF) ... 100% Canon ... in the Winter 2007 Official Marvel Handbooks:
The Watcher and Her,
are searching for Quasar who Quantum Jumped out of the 616 Multiverse
into the Multiverse that houses the New Universe.
"He is somewhere Beyond the Mutliverse of Dimensions"
"What's Beyond the Multiverse?"
"Beyond the Multiverse Exists an Omniverse, a Continuum of MultiverseS"
Watcher goes on to say it has never been proven.
But let's proceed.
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"I refuse to believe you (Quasar) are dead, you must be in the Omniverse"
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Quasar returns to the 616 Multiverse
"I know atleast it's the right Multiverse"
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In the end, the Marvel Omniverse is confirmed ON PANEL:
"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"
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"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"
Hmm ... where one of the MANY Marvel "Alternate Earths" (New Universe) are found.
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GO ahead and try to spin this ... 😆
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Official Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles BIO ...
"Exiles teamed with Excalibur,
to stop Jaspers & the Fury from destroying the Omniverse"
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So Jaspers was going to destroy DC, all other companies plus the "Real World"
hum
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And HERE is that Omniverse they are talking about On Panel: (artistically illustrated)
(Winter 2007)
The WRITER states:
"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"
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That's the Chaos Wave (Wanda's Reality Warp) they're referring to,
it destroyed the Marvel Omniverse before rebuilding the Omniverse afterwards.
Did the Chaos Wave destroy DC, other companies, and the "Real World"
durznuts
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Unless Wanda,
"literally tore the (Real World/DC ... etc) to bits and Re-arranged it
Marvel has it's own Omniverse!
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http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe
"Although considered the “prime reality” in which events of Universal significance occur
(and, indeed, Megauniversal and/or Omniuniversal significance),
This Reality is designated as number 616 (thus, “Earth-616”) ... "
swank
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This is why this can happen:
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Uatu and the Watcher realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:
"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.
We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.
And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "
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Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:
Dr Strange says,
"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"
Uatu explains more simply,
"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.
Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.
Everything there is, will End.
Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"
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Is this a fluke? Not at all folks.
Here we are in yet another title where the same thing is stated,
by Ute:
"Or THIS, the Prime Reality (616) will fall and with it ... ALL EXISTENCE"
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If Reality/Universe 616 dies ... the entire Marvel Omniverse dies.
thankyou
The nail in the coffin!!!!
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SIX On Panel depictions of the Marvel Omniverse! (actually Illustrated)
These aren't just statements, or references ...
Marvel literally artistically presented it's Omniverse On Panel
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Earth X Trilogy - (2000)
"The Omniverse"
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Infinity Abyss - (2002)
"An Infinity beyond Infinity"
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Exiles - (Mid 2007)
"I offer the Omniverse"
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X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)
"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"
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Exiles - (2008)
"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.
I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"
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Exiles (2008)
"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"
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Expecting a lack of an official statement and anticipating the mother of all reposts fear
Best quote on KMC:
Originally posted by id369
I believe Mr. Master is following this notation.
The debate is in and of itself not a method of generating truth, it is a method of generating agreement. Which is why rhetoric is a useful tool in a debate, because its not about truth... ever its about being convincing, something that is accomplished by informational control manipulation and interpretation. - Pipboy
👆 😆
I love how you keep quoting Galans initial support of your officially rejected opinion from page 1, especially when he later looked into the matter and from page 2 onwards dismissed your crackpot theories 😱
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474708&pagenumber=2
Thanks mate 👆
Originally posted by Mr Master
....................................................................................................."Although considered the “prime reality” in which events of Universal significance [B]occur
(and, indeed, Megauniversal and/or Omniuniversal significance),
This Reality is designated as number 616 (thus, “Earth-616”) ... "
swank
You might want to recheck that bio. It states that other companys realities are part of the omniverse.
Originally posted by Kerr Avon
You might want to recheck that bio. It states that other companys realities are part of the omniverse.
That wouldn't surprise me 😬
Originally posted by id369
I believe Mr. Master is following this notation.
The debate is in and of itself not a method of generating truth, it is a method of generating agreement. Which is why rhetoric is a useful tool in a debate, because its not about truth... ever its about being convincing, something that is accomplished by informational control manipulation and interpretation. - Pipboy
