The official respect thread of Dante

Started by BloodRain24 pages

Right, Newtons and new feats.

((kg*(speed+gravity))+(persons mass+persons attack speed)

Dante flinging Lady's bike around:

Swinging a 1,000 kg bike at 15 m/s

((1,000*(15+9.81))+(80+5,000)

= 29,890 N - 2.989e4 N
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Dante punching the statue:

Estimate from damage eg what a 2 ton car at 50m/s would do.

= 1e5 N
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Dante throwing the 200kg Grief at 1,500m/s:

((200*(1,500+9.81))+(80+5,000)

= 307,042 N - 3.07e5 N
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Launching Beowulf w/Beowulf:

Hit 18,143.6948 kg at 20 m/s

((18,143.6948*(20+9.81))+(80+5,000)

= 545,943.542 N - 5.459e5 N

Making DMC3 Dante's strength, who by Joules is 1/5th Beowulf.

= 109,188.708 N - 1.091e5

(Matches with the statue smash for consistency)
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***New feat***

The Ice Toads, given their size and toughness compared to a normal toad, weight around 200 tons. Will find those clacs if needed.

Nero smacking 200 ton Ice Toads around:

Flinging it over his head;

(28*pi) = circumfrance/2 = arc = 44m

44m/ 0.4s = 110m/s

((181,436.948*(110+9.81))+(80+1,700)

= 21,739,740.7 N - 2.173e7 N

Spinning it in a circle;

(28m*pi) in 0.7s = 125m/s

((181,436.948*(125+9.81))+(80+1,700)

= 24,461,295 N - 2.446e7 N

Punching 6 toads at 80m/s;

((1,088,621.69*(80+9.81))+(80+1,700)

= 97,770,894 N - 9.777e7 N

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Matching Abigail's strength:

Throwing 111,632.806 kg at 300 m/s

((111,632.806*(600+9.81))+(80*5,000)

= 68,474,801.4 N - 6.847e7 N
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Pushing the Savior off:

Moving 15,015,936 kg at 20 m/s

((15,015,936*(40+9.81))+(80*5,000)

= 748,343,772 N - 7.483e8 N
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Until a better formula comes up Ill use 0.1s as the time it took to stop in 10 cm.

(100- 0)/ 0.1 = 1,000m/s

((2,529,280*(1,000+9.81))+(80*5,000))
= 2,554,492,236.8 N - 2.55e9 N
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Deflecting the Savior's Punch(Elastition):

Punch #1:
To me its 85cm, thats 70m to the Savior in 0.2s; 350m/s, deflected at 250m/s [25m, 0.2s].
Elasticity speed of 475m/s.

((2,529,280*(475+9.81))+(80*1,700))
= 1,226,356,236.8 N - 1.226e9 N

Punch #2:
To me the punch is 180cm to my 190cm height, thats 150m to Savior in 0.3s; 500m/s, deflected at 250m/s [50m, 0.2s].
Elasticity speed of 750m/s.

((2,529,280*(750+9.81))+(80*1,700))
= 1,921,908,236.8 N - 1.922e9 N
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***New Feat***

Nero crushing 2000 tons of rock

OBD Ichigo crushing metal pillars-
http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=668839:
"Compressive strength = Load (What’s pushing up against the pillar, in this case) / Total area. So going by this, we need to multiply our given compressive strength by the total area, giving us the force in Newtons."

Load in Newtons = Compressive strength * Area

Compressive Strength of Marble is 50-250 MPa <= C
[Sandstone 5-10MPa, Concrete 50MPa+, Granite 50-250MPa]

SA of head; Ellipse = 20m by 10m [around 25cm and 12cm on the largest cross axis] +being a slight larger for its shape
= 160m^2
[11.5m,6m,6m/2*2.6= 2.254e9g = 2,254,406.89kg = 2,485 tons]

C,000,000 N/m^2*160m^2
50 MPa = 8,000,000,000 N = 8e9 N
250 MPa = 40,000,000,000 N = 4e10 N

Makes sense if the above deflection is effortless compared to this. Technically would be higher as the Savior is tougher than marble.

so in total whats dante max in the strength and speed department

@chuck:
Base Dante's max strength = 4e10 N, or 4 million times stronger than a peak human. Max speed is around Mach 15-20+ with lightning speed reactions.

Higher with items/weapons: Amulets in DMC2 double speed and strength. Gauntlets make him 5x stronger as does Devil Trigger but with speed too. Alastor puts him at lightning speed.

DDT/Majin Dante's speed is lightning+ and would be 10 times stronger than base Dante [given he's 10-12x faster, and stronger than DT's strength]. Being equal to the Sparda DT, using its powers with DDT would double his stats.

Max:
Majin Dante with Gauntlets, Amulets and channeling Sparda; Speed = 4xlightning speed+. Strength = 4e12 N.

^Thats his max strength, but damage can increase if he charges his weapons with energy.

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Random note; Speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s.

DDT's lightning+ is about 0.025% SoL, with the amps that becomes 0.1% SoL.

Quicksilver makes everything 1/1,000th the speed, in other words making Dante appear to be 1,000x faster than he actually is. In other words, amped DDT Dante with QS would have his 0.1% speed /appearing/ to be at 100% SoL... 5x that if slowing time down further with Chrono Heart...

...damn mmm

^ In Cloud-to-ground Lightning, the speed of the Return Stroke of Lightning is anywhere from 2/3rd to 1/3rd the speed of Light. The Leader downstroke is 60,000 m/s.

Given that the Return Stroke is what we see as Lightning, 60,000 m/s is likely horribly off.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
^ In Cloud-to-ground Lightning, the speed of the Return Stroke of Lightning is anywhere from 2/3rd to 1/3rd the speed of Light. The Leader downstroke is 60,000 m/s.

Given that the Return Stroke is what we see as Lightning, 60,000 m/s is likely horribly off.

Meaning?

Most of this is massive fan hype but this is a respect thread so ill argue it in a Dante thread, Dante at the speed of light now?

This is the guy who thinks I overhype Kain...

Where is this Dante at his best is faster than lightning shit coming from now?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Where is this Dante at his best is faster than lightning shit coming from now?

With alastor he has lightning speed but him being faster than light/lightning? i don't know

Remind me what Alastor is.

YouTube video

I'm not seeing lightning speed... Is BT basing his claim off of something else?

The weapon description mentions lightning speed. The DMC wiki has this as its decription, dunno if its lifted from the actual game:

'The sword manifestation of Alastor the Thunder Devil. Dante finds it impaled through a sculpture of a woman. It is capable of attacking with lightning speed, and allows Dante to perform Air Raid.'

Could be hyperbole, but Dante demonstrating superspeed upon acquiring it does indicate that it has some affect on his speed.

It is hyperbole, "lightning speed" or "as quick as lightning" are common forms of hyperbole and in-game the sword makes you go slightly faster than normal and the attack lunge which I forget the name of that the sword allows you to do is not lightning speed either but its claimed to be as quick as lightning.

Dantes top speed feat is falling/running down Temi-ni-gru tower or however you spell it, his momentum is boosted at first by the fall and as people have said, he increases it by running short distances off the tower...at the very best, he can go mach one after a build up of momentum, hes never gone from zero movement to mach 15.....and using hyped reaction times and then using speeds of those times as running/movement speed is also disrespectful to the character imo.

And using in-game items or powerups as wel as their values is also injustice, especially when trying to claim lightspeed from adding up various gameplay statistic based values like "double damage" or speed.

Again though,ill actually argue these points in a thread, theres a perfect one for it already out there, and the saviour stuff, Dantes not using half as much strength nor needs to as claimed here.

@DP: Not really sure. This page says 60k, and 27mil for the return. This one says 100k.

Win win either way.

@BT: Appear being the vital word. QS makes Dante appear to be 1,000 times faster than he is, even a peak human with it would appear to be Ma30. His amps makes his max speed (lightning+) a few times faster, then he appears to be moving a thousand times faster

Its not hype. DP with his eagle vision for this stuff would have pointed out any hype, Dadudemon was even the one to help me with the elastition calc.

@Neme: Besides besting Blitz whose movements and reactions are lightning speed, Alastor's description says it grants lightning speed. And if that isnt taken, then the calc for it (on the previous page) makes it at 60,000 m/s.

Devil May Cry, Devil Arms — Alastor: "Gives the possessor lightning speed and aerial capabilities."

Lightning+ is what Debell found out: Lightning speed Dante w/ Alastor = Nelo Angleo < Sparda Dante = DDT Dante. Means Sparda/DDT Dante are faster than Alastor Dante.

@BT: Mach 1 =/= that friction. Its as simple as that.

What friction? the sword heating up? the sword only started to do so after a single shot from E&I, it appeared to go slightly faster than it already was....

And in the same scene, Dante jumps off after running down, the force was just enough to launch his body a few m/s...so he was not going at any major speed.

Also, even if we assume your calculation is legit and ignore a lot of the holes, the lightning stuff is purely with Alastor, a sword hes not had since the first game and is not standard equipment.

Originally posted by BloodRain
@Neme: Besides besting Blitz whose movements and reactions are lightning speed,

Not seen this either.

Alastor's description says it grants lightning speed. And if that isnt taken, then the calc for it (on the previous page) makes it at 60,000 m/s.

Devil May Cry, Devil Arms — Alastor: "Gives the possessor lightning speed and aerial capabilities."

Lightning+ is what Debell found out: Lightning speed Dante w/ Alastor = Nelo Angleo < Sparda Dante = DDT Dante. Means Sparda/DDT Dante are faster than Alastor Dante.

@BT: Mach 1 =/= that friction. Its as simple as that. [/B]

Yeah... I'm going to go ahead and call hyperbole.

"Lightning speed" is one of the most overused hyperbolic statements in gaming history. If it said "The speed of a bolt of lightning" or something similar, I might be inclined to agree, but since it doesn't, I don't.

Neme: Even if it is hyperbole, the calc still gives a good enough speed.

BT: So now physics doesn't mean anything? And right after you complained about how the other feats /didnt/ show friction heat? Very interesting stance..

Hypersonic friction = hypersonic friction.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Neme: Even if it is hyperbole, the calc still gives a good enough speed.
What calc?

Originally posted by BloodRain
@DP: Not really sure. This page says 60k, and 27mil for the return. This one says 100k.

Win win either way.

[b]Devil May Cry, Devil Arms — Alastor: "Gives the possessor lightning speed and aerial capabilities."

Lightning+ is what Debell found out: Lightning speed Dante w/ Alastor = Nelo Angleo < Sparda Dante = DDT Dante. Means Sparda/DDT Dante are faster than Alastor Dante.
[/B]

In the latter article, 100k is for the downward Leader. They haven't given a speed for the Return Stroke which is magnitudes faster. I've seen varying speeds, but most of them are in the range I mentioned earlier.

Average speed for Lightning is not as fast as that of the Return stroke obviously, but when we see traditional Lightning, we are only seeing the Return Stroke(s), and a single one lasts on average, 30 microseconds.

How again did you find out that Alastor Dante was slower than Sparda?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah... I'm going to go ahead and call hyperbole.

"Lightning speed" is one of the most overused hyperbolic statements in gaming history. If it said "The speed of a bolt of lightning" or something similar, I might be inclined to agree, but since it doesn't, I don't.

This is true. 'Lightning speed' can mean anything from being as fast as Lightning to faster by an arbitrary amount when compared to the speed of something else.

Still, BR did do some calcs for that scene. Puts Dante with Alastor at 60km/s if the calcs are correct.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Neme: Even if it is hyperbole, the calc still gives a good enough speed.

BT: So now physics doesn't mean anything? And right after you complained about how the other feats /didnt/ show friction heat? Very interesting stance..

Hypersonic friction = hypersonic friction.

Physics do, but I am wondering if thats hypersonic speed, or supersonic at all, those flying things that can catch up with him dont go at hypersonic speed, when you fight them their fairly slow tbh and on top of that, he slows down at times when he jumps on them iirc as does the sword when it hits them. I think this is one of those weird DMC logic things.

Also you still did not counter momentum, things dont usually go from zero to mach speeds, this is important because if he needs a fair amount of momentum to reach even mach 1, nevermind any higher. Theres also durability, Dante is quite soft, so assuming he can go fast, even as fast as "speed of light " (having played the games I could never agree to this, nor the use of gameplay items) he would gib himself, e.g. splatter or burn up.