Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk didn't break out of the top tier with the feat for two reasons:1. It was a shared feat and without the help of Betty she would have only achieved 1/4 of the feat.
2. Superman has feats above that goes beyond 50 Earth weights of force, not including those infinite feats of course.Characters fight at their best as shown before here as a forum rule. Surely that means something and would contradict characters fighting at their average (since best=/= average). The only thing is we can only use things that the character has SHOWN to mean their best and not speculation of the things they can do without on panel proof.
You really have no idea what you are writing about. You also have no idea how much destruction was really caused in the Dark Dimension. It could have been one planet or a solar system of planets that were obliterated by their collision, which did not even directly hit a planet. Superman was KO'd when he attempted to destroy a planet while moving towards it at just under light speed, so don't give me this 9,000,000 earth weight speech when he had help towing one planet. WB is on a completely different level, as was Betty during the Dark Dimension arc. The difference is that Betty needed the well to keep up with Bruce, and again Bruce was not at his max, he could have brought it up even higher. So yes the Hulk was out of the Top tier class.
Sh1t if J'onn of this thread were to fight Thanos himself from the way people are trying to push up on J'onn, even Thanos would lose, because of his inability to hit J'onn. This CIS off crap is pretty dumb, because J'onn's first attempt at a win would likely end up with him trying to mind rape the Hulk, and finding himself dazed for the precious moments that it would take for the Hulk to leap at him and pound him into a greasy spot on the ground. What we have here is people saying that J'onn would do this, and when that fails, they retract, and say well J'onn would do that.
Originally posted by Stoic
You really have no idea what you are writing about. You also have no idea how much destruction was really caused in the Dark Dimension. It could have been one planet or a solar system of planets that were obliterated by their collision, which did not even directly hit a planet. Superman was KO'd when he attempted to destroy a planet while moving towards it at just under light speed, so don't give me this 9,000,000 earth weight speech when he had help towing one planet. WB is on a completely different level, as was Betty during the Dark Dimension arc. The difference is that Betty needed the well to keep up with Bruce, and again Bruce was not at his max, he could have brought it up even higher. So yes the Hulk was out of the Top tier class.Sh1t if J'onn of this thread were to fight Thanos himself from the way people are trying to push up on J'onn, even Thanos would lose, because of his inability to hit J'onn. This CIS off crap is pretty dumb, because J'onn's first attempt at a win would likely end up with him trying to mind rape the Hulk, and finding himself dazed for the precious moments that it would take for the Hulk to leap at him and pound him into a greasy spot on the ground. What we have here is people saying that J'onn would do this, and when that fails, they retract, and say well J'onn would do that.
Correction, Superman rammed a moon going at light speed.
Originally posted by carver9Close, rammed a shadow moon going just under light speed so as to attain maximum mass, where objects lose mass after light speed as solids change states.
Correction, Superman rammed a moon going at light speed.
However, a real moon [and probably a much bigger one at that] he simply chopped in half several years before without such an effort as knocking himself out or even being weary from it.
That is called bad writing. Well back to the topic. If MM was played right, his powerset would be able to take Hulk out. It's the sum of the Manhunter's powers that make him dangerous. When you add in his molecular control and his telepathy, he is almost impossible to hit and can hit back almost as fast and strong as Superman Forget about the bias writing. He has the package.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
And gray hulk shatterd a twice earth size asteroid decades before that, uh oh..speggheti'os
Originally posted by kgkg
Its funny how it doesn’t matter how powerful the Hulk becomes he just can’t win on this forum. You people want to see him fly and shoot beams or something?
😂
I said this last week. When Hulk gets an upgrade, fans have a habit of spreading this upgrade to other characters. They then start using every high showing of that character (thats going against Hulk) so that he can compete with Hulk when on average, that sh** ain't happening. It's sad and if it was any other brick that repeated what Hulk did (Doomsday), everyone would be on KMC shouting how he could beat Spectre. Hell, they did that last year just from a small showing against Eradicator.
Like I've stated, its sad.
Originally posted by kgkgHulk getting stronger or more durable than before doesn't change the fact that he's still up against opponents who have larger versatility, mobility and are capable of dancing circles around him. You're making the same mistake most of the Hulk supporters do - this isn't a slugfest. This isn't them taking turns at punching eachother, at the same pace. Basically, Hulk wins if we ignore one of the ridiculously high advantages of most of his opponents, at least on the DC side (speed), and they just start taking turns at hitting eachother, relying only on strength, durability and hitting factor. Just because Hulk doesn't have any other advantages doesn't mean the advantage of his opponents are nullified, and they fight only the way it's convenient for Hulk.
Its funny how it doesn’t matter how powerful the Hulk becomes he just can’t win on this forum. You people want to see him fly and shoot beams or something?
There is absolutely no logical reason for his opponents not to use their versatility in a non-PIS environment, other than "Hulk can't win otherwise, and I want him to, because he's so powerful!". Yes, Hulk is powerful in the comics because PIS is present. Opponents will fight him on his own terms and get squashed, because he has a status to maintain, and they can't allow him to be humiliated by having him unable to counter and get squashed.
But that doesn't happen here. The characters aren't retarded. Once they percieve Hulk's physical ability - there is no reason they wouldn't want to use their capability to make him look like a statue and not get hit ever again. Who in their right mind would think otherwise? You're literally arguing that they're so dumb, eventough they'd asses Hulk's physical abilities and they have an ability that makes him never be able to touch them again, they don't use it and instead play right into his hand.
Hulk's physical abilities are recognized. But how about ignoring the opponents capabilities and limiting them to what Hulk can handle stops too?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Hulk getting stronger or more durable than before doesn't change the fact that he's still up against opponents who have larger versatility, mobility and are capable of dancing circles around him. You're making the same mistake most of the Hulk supporters do - this isn't a slugfest. This isn't them taking turns at punching eachother, at the same pace. Basically, Hulk wins if we ignore one of the ridiculously high advantages of most of his opponents, at least on the DC side (speed), and they just start taking turns at hitting eachother, relying only on strength, durability and hitting factor. Just because Hulk doesn't have any other advantages doesn't mean the advantage of his opponents are nullified, and they fight only the way it's convenient for Hulk.There is absolutely no logical reason for his opponents not to use their versatility in a non-PIS environment, other than "Hulk can't win otherwise, and I want him to, because he's so powerful!". Yes, Hulk is powerful in the comics because PIS is present. Opponents will fight him on his own terms and get squashed, because he has a status to maintain, and they can't allow him to be humiliated by having him unable to counter and get squashed.
But that doesn't happen here. The characters aren't retarded. Once they percieve Hulk's physical ability - there is no reason they wouldn't want to use their capability to make him look like a statue and not get hit ever again. Who in their right mind would think otherwise? You're literally arguing that they're so dumb, eventough they'd asses Hulk's physical abilities and they have an ability that makes him never be able to touch them again, they don't use it and instead play right into his hand.
Hulk's physical abilities are recognized. But how about ignoring the opponents capabilities and limiting them to what Hulk can handle stops too?
So this same logic applies to Gog War Doomsday and HP Doomsday. If Thor, Surfer, or Superman were to fight smart, use their speed/powers correctly, they could beat him as well?
Originally posted by carver9
😂I said this last week. When Hulk gets an upgrade, fans have a habit of spreading this upgrade to other characters. They then start using every high showing of that character (thats going against Hulk) so that he can compete with Hulk when on average, that sh** ain't happening. It's sad and if it was any other brick that repeated what Hulk did (Doomsday), everyone would be on KMC shouting how he could beat Spectre. Hell, they did that last year just from a small showing against Eradicator.
Like I've stated, its sad.
No, it's people throwing feats out of characters to show you that Hulk STILL can't beat them. I like the Hulk as much as anyone, but when he's outclassed, he's outclassed. He's strong, but strength only goes so far.
Originally posted by Odekahn
No, it's people throwing feats out of characters to show you that Hulk STILL can't beat them. I like the Hulk as much as anyone, but when he's outclassed, he's outclassed. He's strong, but strength only goes so far.
What fts? What does MM have that would stop the Hulk? He is outclassed and he will go physical and get one shotted. Hulk isn't just strong, he is strong, fast, durable, and also has energy output of his own. If anyone is outmatched, its Martian Manhunter. One lick, one lick is all that it would take and Martian Manhunter isn't staying intangible the entire match.
His Martian vision won't work, his strength is meaningless, his speed means nothing here since he will run into an omni blast and his telepathic powers means nothing as well.
Hulk is out of MM league.
