Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

Just to reiterate, as stated on panel by various sources, many Marvel universes are themselves made up of many dimensions and yet they are still referred to as universes.

That explains why sometimes you'll see Eternity 616 referred to as a multiverse or why LT has once been said to survey the multiverses. However in the vast majority of continuity, and in all Marvel bios, LT has been said to operate in THE multiverse and Eternity is referred to as a universe.

Marvel has stated that its collection of realities doesn't make up the omniverse but instead its properties are merely part of it along with the properties of other companies.

That conclusively means that Marvel doesn't have its own omniverse. It may depict an omniverse within its comics, it may have characters and events which affect the omniverse but that doesn't make it Marvels own.

i know that outwardly this looks like the be all end all to this debate but not quite so. handbook writers update thier horrid mistakes all the time... a look at earlier handbooks showing that ppl like thing, and doc samson only lifts 5 tons max is an operative example. I know what youve been saying that marvel stated something so my opinion on it being stupid isnt relevant...but it so is...what you dont seem to get is that a few canonical cross overs with DC's permission for marvel to use thier intellectual property isnt an acknowledment that there is one omniverse that they both share. i have no problem being corrected if im wrong but if memory serves all those crossovers were written by writers who were contracted by marvel at the time. ther wasnt a big pow wow(T-M-K-) that wrtiers contracted by both companies sat down and fleshed something out. plus, the criteron for what an omniverse is was like i said earlier was, defined, mainstreamed, and popularized, by marvel.

no other company has thrown their hat into the ring and say ok there is only one...so in essence Marvel is saying that all other entities exists in the omniverse that they have defined, mainstreamed, and popularized. thats the only way to read into it...which would make them grossly arrogant to just arbitrarlity snatch ppl up like that..

another poster had the brilliant suggestion of looking at them like a ven diagram....my equally brilliant yet more appropriate example would be to look at each comapny as two atoms who share a covalent bond. with each atom being an omniverse.

shaded black portion of course being the shared part... this is the only thing i'll accept. so dont worry sooner or later marvel will come to thier senses and snap out of thier bout of narcissism and realize that thier omiverse, if there truly is only one is it and all other companies exist in thier classification of an omniverse as they have conceptualized it or.......you know...say wait a minute😕...it makes tons more sense to have each company doing thier own thing and we only share the same space/time in canoncal crossovers 😎

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Thats probably the most ridiculous thing I have read in a bio. They can say what ever they want it means nothing, no other company or any form of media will ever acknowledge it so the sooner they change it the sooner they don't look like arogant retards.

Originally posted by Magee
Thats probably the most ridiculous thing I have read in a bio. They can say what ever they want it means nothing, no other company or any form of media will ever acknowledge it so the sooner they change it the sooner they don't look like arogant retards.

The arogance is to think marvel has their own omniverse, and they are updating thier definition of omniverse....it wil say that all companies exist within one omniverse

So on one hand a poster is trying to point out marvel has thier own omniverse and marvel is the one stating it (thru useless scans) and that marvel can do whatever they want with their omniverse

And on the other hand you say marvel cant say that they share an omniverse and that what marvel says means nothing, that they look like arogant retards for stating as such

So who gets to say what?

And then you have me and some others who say that noone can own the omniverse....there is only one and every company. .etc exist within it

Hmmmmm where is the arrogance in these views?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just to reiterate, as stated on panel by various sources,
many Marvel universes are themselves made up of many dimensions
and yet they are still referred to as universes.

There's no such thing as a single Universe being referred to as a Multiverse.

Never has been, ever, in Marvel Comics.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That explains why sometimes you'll see Eternity 616 referred to as a multiverse

I disagree,

this has never been stated anywhere, at anytime.

Eternity/Infinity 616 possess the power of the infinite Multiverse,
but Eternity/Infinity 616 represent a single Reality/Universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
or why LT has once been said to survey the multiverses.

I suppose this is how you're trying to demean the LT's jurisdiction.

Which clearly states MultiverseS ... as in MultiverseSSS!!!

Not MultiverseS, as in "pocket dimensions" that secretly mean Multiverses.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
However in the vast majority of continuity, and in all Marvel bios,
LT has been said to operate in THE multiverse
and Eternity is referred to as a universe.

Aspects of Eternity are single Universes,
but Eternity/Infinity 616 contains the power of the Multiverse, On Panel.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Marvel has stated that its collection of realities doesn't make up the omniverse but instead its properties are merely part of it along with the properties of other companies.

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In the 2006 bios (and On Panel) ... The LT plays with TWO MegaverseS.

On Panel:

2006 Bio: (CONFIRMING it was TWO Marvel MEGAVERSES)

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In the Winter 2007 Bios ... TOAA CREATED the Omniverse.

The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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In the 2008 questionnaires to the WRITERS of the Exiles,
the Omniverse is an Infinite amount of MultiverseS.

"The Omniverse ... There are infinite MULTIverseS inside it"

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Coincidentally,

Marvel's Reality is ALSO an Infinite amount of MultiverseS:

"In the Countless MultiverseS you (Alex) alone are unique"

"So much Power in such a small mind ...

we could have Conquered the MultiverseS together"

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The Marvel Omniverse
has not only been mentioned, referrenced and affected,
it's been litertally artistically depicted ... as in illustrated:

Many times, but this is the 2008 joint: (6th time)

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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

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Exiles (2008)

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

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That's right .. TWICE! ... in 2008. (Right ... as in, THIS Year)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That conclusively means that Marvel doesn't have its own omniverse.

Imo, you haven't presented not a single shred of anything conclusive.

In fact,

BIOS of the 2006/2007 and 2008 ALL point to Marvel having their own Omniverse.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It may depict an omniverse within its comics,
it may have characters and events which affect the omniverse
but that doesn't make it Marvels own.

How about a single allusion to an Omniverse?

Besides the single reference (no depiction btw) by a scientist concerning Superman.

Originally posted by manjaro

no other company has thrown their hat into the ring and say ok there is only one...so in essence Marvel is saying that all other entities exists in the omniverse that they have defined, mainstreamed, and popularized. thats the only way to read into it...which would make them grossly arrogant to just arbitrarlity snatch ppl up like that..

Originally posted by manjaro

another poster had the brilliant suggestion of looking at them like a ven diagram....my equally brilliant yet more appropriate example would be to look at each comapny as two atoms who share a covalent bond. with each atom being an omniverse.

shaded black portion of course being the shared part... this is the only thing i'll accept. so dont worry sooner or later marvel will come to thier senses and snap out of thier bout of narcissism and realize that thier omiverse, if there truly is only one is it and all other companies exist in thier classification of an omniverse as they have conceptualized it or.......you know...say wait a minute😕...it makes tons more sense to have each company doing thier own thing and we only share the same space/time in canoncal crossovers 😎

Well put jaro. 👆

Lol. Both Manjaro and Mr. Master are happy for the realities of Marvel and DC to overlap, so long as it is a small overlap. But wait, the omniverse definition says that it contains all realities, so as soon as you agree there is an overlap between Marvel and DC, that their "realities" can interact, then you have agreed they are in the same omniverse! 😆

I don't need to answer you point for point because all i've done is relay what has been stated on panel.

Multi-dimensional clusters on panel as i have been shown, universes which are made up of more than one dimension are referred to as one universe.

And all of those multi-dimensional universes were still classed as a part of the multiverse(singular)

The point is stated on panel.

Beyonders comments support that Dr Strange issue where he states that the 616 universe is technically a multiverse. He then goes on a tour of a number of other dimensions which feature in 616 comics, therefore supporting the Dr Stranges view, that all of these multiple dimensions are connected through a common cosmic hierarchy and so are classed as one universe, despite these so called universes being composed of more than one dimension.

That explains why Marvels collection of realities has been said to contain multiverses and why LT has been said to survey multiverses, yet for the majority of his existence and in all of his bios he has been said to operate in THE multiverse(singular)

LT 2006 bio:

“OCCUPATION: Acting guardian and judge of the multiverse

“Only one Living Tribunal exists in the multiverse”

LT 93 bio:

"Acting guardian and judge to safeguard the multiverse from imbalances of mystical forces"

"possesses an intellect that can survey and study the entire multiverse at once"

LT bio 1983:

“Whose function is to safeguard the multiverse(the continuum of alternate universes)”

“The Tribunal is willing to obliterate an entire inhabited planet to safeguard the universe or the multiverse itself”

“One of the most powerful beings in the multiverse

”

My explanation reconciles all on panel references to multiverse and multiverses, yours acknowledges the rare references to multiverses as the truth and then declares the far more common reference of multiverse as rubbish ❌

Lets uncover the truth here, down with agendas 👇

X-men Adventures and the bio confirmed the Brothers were retconned to be guardians of megaverses which encompassed more than one multiverse.

When creating the Brothers LT required from the Spectre. That doesn't sound too good for your argument 😬

Originally posted by Mr Master

Can you show us another company depicting an Omniverse?

How about a single allusion to an Omniverse?

Besides the single reference (no depiction btw) by a scientist concerning Superman.

Marvel has stated the omniverse isn't just made up of their own realities. No matter how much you want it to be that is that.

Your assessment of Marvels properties is NOT greater than Marvels assessment. Understand that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
LT 2006 bio:

“OCCUPATION: Acting guardian and judge of [B]the multiverse

“Only one Living Tribunal exists in the multiverse”

LT 93 bio:

"Acting guardian and judge to safeguard the multiverse from imbalances of mystical forces"

"possesses an intellect that can survey and study the entire multiverse at once"

LT bio 1983:

“Whose function is to safeguard the multiverse(the continuum of alternate universes)”

“The Tribunal is willing to obliterate an entire inhabited planet to safeguard the universe or the multiverse itself”

“One of the most powerful beings in the multiverse

”

My explanation reconciles all on panel references to multiverse and multiverses, yours acknowledges the rare references to multiverses as the truth and then declares the far more common reference of multiverse as rubbish ❌

Lets uncover the truth here, down with agendas 👇 [/B]

Then it's matter of what you rank highest the On Panel ore the handbook.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I don't need to answer you point for point because
all i've done is relay what has been stated on panel.

I challenge you to prove me wrong.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Multi-dimensional clusters on panel as i have been shown,
universes which are made up of more than one dimension
are referred to as one universe.

"Pocket dimensions" are NOT whole/entire UniverseS.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And all of those multi-dimensional universes
were still classed as a part of the multiverse(singular)

Man's Universe is ONE Cluster,
it consist of an INFINITE amount of Alternate UniverseSSSSSS!!!!

Obviously ... they're referring to the Prime MULTIVERSE!!!!

"Man's Universe (Multiverse)
has it's own Infinite number of variants known as Alternate Universes,
explored by the Watchers, (the Watchers explore the Multiverse)

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AGAIN!!!!

That's just ONEEEEE CLUSTER!!!!!

"There are Universes
whose number of Spatial Dimensions range between 2.7 etc and 6.2 etc,
these all share a commonality of Concepts,
hence they are grouped into a Cluster, (a Multiverse)

Man's Cluster is One of the responsibilities of the Living Tribunal"

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Therefore:

OTHER CLUSTERS ... are OTHER MultiverseSSS!!!!

"Universes ... with lower or higher Dimensions ... are Truly different"

"even there Life exists, in Forms totally inconceivable to mankind"

"There the Living Tribunal takes Other Shapes

to Administer to Other Clusters" (MultiverseS)

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I'll continue to post this proof, everytime you try to twist it.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The point is stated on panel.

In Marvel Comics? ❌

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Beyonders comments support that Dr Strange issue where he states that the 616 universe is technically a multiverse.
He then goes on a tour of a number of other dimensions
which feature in 616 comics

Beyonder passes by the Microverse.
(located in a Universe outside and separate from the 616 Reality)

The Dark Dimension is also outside of 616.

Beyonder even reaches the Cross Roads of Infinity located in the Negative Zone
(also located Way outside the 616 universe)

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I dare you to ask me to PROVE,
the Microverse is located OUTSIDE the 616 Reality,
in a completely separate Universe re-created by the Makers.

I dare you to ask me to PROVE,
the Negative Zone is OUTSIDE the 616 reality.
(I can use plenty of scans from the 2007 Annihilation arc to do so easily,
Or I can use PROOF from back in the days .. whatever you prefer)

I dare you to ask me to PROVE the Dark Dimension is a Universe unto itself,
also located OUTSIDE the 616 reality.

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I have the scans ready ... but I'm gonna wait to see if you dare.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

therefore supporting the Dr Stranges view, that all of these multiple dimensions are connected through a common cosmic hierarchy and so are classed as one universe, despite these so called universes being composed of more than one dimension.

But try and keep it honest, see what happens.

Again, please, I dare you. (I wanna show the onlookers what we're dealing with here)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

That explains why Marvels collection of realities has been said to contain multiverses and why LT has been said to survey multiverses, yet for the majority of his existence and in all of his bios he has been said to operate in THE multiverse(singular)

Cause your post is built on a ... ah, I'll be nice and call it a mis-interpretation,
but uh, you're to smart to mis-interpret the Beyonder scenerio,
so we know what's going on ... but I'll be nice.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

LT 2006 bio:

And uhh, while we're at it,
let's just ignore the part where in that exact 2006 Bio,
the LT is manipulating TWO MegaverseS (EACH a Collection of MultiverseSSS!!!)

Nice try. (see how you can't bet all your chips on bios)

I mean look at that supposed Bio "Writer" .. Stuey V.
Dude doesn't even know the difference between Kosmos and Nova. 🤨

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Lets uncover the truth here, down with agendas

You mean like, you claiming the Negative Zone is part of 616?
Or rather, you claiming the Dark Dimension is part of 616?
Or better yet, you claiming the Microverse is part of 616? 😆

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
Lol. Both Manjaro and Mr. Master are happy for the realities of Marvel and DC to overlap, so long as it is a small overlap. But wait, the omniverse definition says that it contains all realities, so as soon as you agree there is an overlap between Marvel and DC, that their "realities" can interact, then you have agreed they are in the same omniverse! 😆

yes i am happy with that becuz i beilieve that they are both separate until crossovers that are canon(which there is only two) link them. i was more being sarcastic about marvel's defintion cuz "the world according to marvel" states that everything is the omniverse. and the main thing i have been railing against all this time is the fact that they are the ones that arbitrarily made that decision...they didnt get input/acknowledgement/go ahead from any councils or any other company or media enterprise of any sort 😉 so either each entity has thier own established continuum or everyone's a part of Marvel's omniverse...........i'll pick the one that makes perfect senseermm

I don't get this thread... am I supposed to sift through all these big posts or something?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I don't get this thread... am I supposed to sift through all these big posts or something?

No, you're just supposed to sit back and laugh at everybody trying to change each other's opinions. Even though they'll never change. 🙂

Originally posted by batdude123
No, you're just supposed to sit back and laugh at everybody trying to change each other's opinions. Even though they'll never change. 🙂

lmao some times i get all worked up to post something and then relize its pointless.
then some times i post and relize later it was pointless 🙁
opinions are like A--#*!&$ every one has one, and no one wants to hear about some one els's 😱
lol yet we still come back to read it 😕 😮

Its why I don't bother getting into debates. Its pointless and not fun if you know you can't change someones opinion.

Know Alf does change opinions in debates unlike allot of people.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
lmao some times i get all worked up to post something and then relize its pointless.
then some times i post and relize later it was pointless 🙁
opinions are like A--#*!&$ every one has one, and no one wants to hear about some one els's 😱
lol yet we still come back to read it 😕 😮

incidentally i like hearing about assholess

*drools like homer simpson*: assssshoolllesssss..arararaggargarggarar