Originally posted by Mr Master
Woh...is this speculation or fact?The series never mentioned that...and I read all 5 issues thoroughly.
Unless you read this elsewhere...let me know.
this from the marvel directory:
<<More recently, Galactus' appetite became such that he would only eat on planets of sentient life. He began to consume more and more frequently, developing a mania. He created a new herald, Red Shift, to help him succeed in this. He approached Earth once more, and had to be driven off by a large contingent of Earth's superheroes, and Red Shift was defeated. Finally, he was repulsed by the Silver Surfer, who agreed once more to become Galactus' herald and to search for planets, this time of sentient life to consume. Almost immediately, the Silver Surfer led Galactus to the homeworld of the Shi'ar Empire, perhaps the most technologically advanced in the known universe, in hopes they would have the forces to repulse the planet devourer. The Shi'ar quickly joined with other races and several of Earth's superheroes to battle Galactus. During the conflict, the Silver Surfer managed to turn Galactus' own energy-siphoning machines on Galactus himself, fatally weakening him. Galactus died, warning that the madness which had consumed him was a precursor to another greater horror. As he passed away, Galactus was converted to energy by his own planet-destroying machines. As Reed Richards noted, the energy would radiate forever outward, so he could never again reform.
Galactus' death allowed the being known as Abraxas to emerge from the concept of Eternity that embodies destruction. He soon began to cut a swath of terror through various alternate realities, including the murder of other versions of Galactus.>>
the death of our galactus (as chronicled in galactus: devourer) is what brought/allowed abraxas into existence. as i said, it doesn't matter WHERE he manifested. it was the death of 616 galactus that allowed him to exist in the first place.
On the second point:
I just want to understand your view point completely...
You believe that every other universe is susceptible to what happens in 616?
If so...my question before was...Then what is the point of every other universe?
I myself never heard that..never read that...never seen that anywhere...and logic tells me that theory can not be.
According to that theory the Multiverse is just a copy of 616 Multi times over.
*WARNING: SPECULATION AHEAD!*
no, not every universe in the multiverse is so susceptible. there are likely untold universes that don't have an earth. my GUESS (my personal interpretation) as to why 616 so impacted these other universes as they seemed to me to do: these other universes were merging with 616, so that created some sort of . . . connection between them. i look again to that scan and just can't make myself see abraxas killing reed there. sorry, mm. i suppose we COULD chock the whole incident up to pis and leave it at that rather than try to FORCE explanations out of it. but i suppose that's the fun part. in any event, 616 appears somehow to have been the FIRST universe of all. that at least earns it a special place in the multiverse and makes it unique. maybe it DOES directly impact some universes. obvioulsy what if's are spawned from 616 and the fact that so many alternate realities are peopled with the same (in some cases slightly altered) characters speaks again to the impact 616 has on many universes throughout the multiverse. i don't know for sure. i do know that i'm not willing to accept that the UN uncreated then recreated the multiverse. that entails to much and leaves too many questions in my mind.
incidentally, i'm not sure if it was you or wwk who said it reset things to the way they were before galactus died, so it didn't matter if an 'unifected' universe was remade or not. that may or may not be true. in 616 sue was pregnant after the resetting -- not the case BEFORE the resetting. so things weren't put back 'exactly' the same way. was everything 'exactly' the same in these other universes? no way to know, i suppose, but also no way to say 'yes' for certain.
Absolutely... Phoenix did project or create a Tower in every universe VIA the Interface Alignment though...the Matrix itself is just an Energy source that is created when the Interface Alignment takes place...And I did give her credit on the feat...just not ALL the credit...as you know that wouldn't be true.That actually doesn't mean much...Doctor Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme of Earth but his power is nothing in comparison with a current Cosmic Cube...in terms of warping reality that is...and Kubik or Shaper of Worlds are considered small time reality warpers. A pocket dimension at best...That's what I mean by small time.
That was gs that confused you...I corrected him on that one.
Feron was trying to contact the Phoenix for reasons of his own, during that decade.
Necron... found out about Phoenix after Feron contacted her... and then decided to use Feron to call the Phoenix to accomplish his scheme.
I don't doubt it he thought highly of the PF...but let's not forget this is an Excalibur comic book...not to sound bias but they do cater to the idea of Phoenix being more than she is.
In any case regardless...the bottom line is with out the Interfaces being Aligned...Phoenix would NOT have been able to that...atleast not then.
But as you know...today you may be powerful enough to destroy a building...tomorrow some "bio writer" comes along and claims you are "god" *cough* PF, no feats presenting such on-panel and we have to except it...because... it's the "official marvel universe handbook" LOL. [/B]
in all honesty, i've pretty much stopped following the pf debate. when i said i thought the 2 interpretations were irreconcilable, that's exactly what i meant. BOTH sides can show 'proof' of their claims. so, both are right or both are wrong. i wonder with the new pf books scheduled to come out, if gs's claims won't be thoroughly dashed or completely supported. i REALLY hope it's one or the other. and if his claims ARE supported . . . cripes, we're ALL in for it.
a final point on the pf for me though, because i'm curious. i asked wwk this question and he admitted to not knowing, or not having an answer/explanation for it, so i ask you the same: how do you explain the pf consciousness that is housed in the whitehotroom? do you think THAT being is multiversal?
