Originally posted by ODG
Then address it now. Since I am throwing it in your face. Or don't. Ah, yes. The patented KMC tactic of reporting a guy for posting new scans about the exact comics we're discussing that bear directly on the exact issue about whether or not the creations of Yahweh, Lucifer and Elaine featured throughout Lucifer were universal, or multiversal in nature...
They were multiversal as proven by the evidence posted. You ignoring it outright doesn't change that basic fact. Silly goose, you weren't reported for posting scans, you were reported for spamming which you've been doing for the last 6 or 7 pages of this thread now. When one witnesses a crime scene taking place in front of them, then it is their duty to report such said crime to the proper authorities. You polluting this thread with your scan spam is in some ways a crime worse than the one your mother committed by bringing you into this world.
Originally posted by ODG
... no, wait. Nobody has ever
Spam-trolled and been deluded enough to think that they were in the right here, or suffered from such a pathetic victim complex as you do right now. "Sob!Sob! Mommy, he reportered me." Don't worry sweetheart, this is just the beginning of your pain.🙂
Originally posted by ODG
Someone doesn't like
Having to deal with your repetitive nonsense. It has been pointed out to you how redundant it is at this point to try and argue that Lucifer created a universe only instead of a multiversal totality. It's honestly like me saying that the sky is blue, and you clinging to that time when the sky is red during sunset, and then parading at least a million different pictures of a million different sunsets to "prove" that the sky is indeed red. What an awful form of argumentation.
Originally posted by ODG
No, it didn't. Yahweh's creation, where much of Lucifer is set in, did not involve fully alternate universes.
Blatant lie.
Originally posted by ODG
Reread my standards set forth on pg 8. Since this is all about my standards.
This advice is better suited to yourself.
Originally posted by ODG
Those were not fully-functioning alternate universes.
Yes they were.
Originally posted by ODG
They were memories/shades of former creations discarded by Yahweh before he decided to bring forth Michael and Lucifer.
And how exactly does this disprove them being stated on panel to be other universes? Or the fact that they were created before Lucifer and Michael's birth(even though we know that Lucy and Mikey were the very first things Yahweh created).
Originally posted by ODG
We know that Marvel has a multiverse.
Good. So does Vertigo.
Originally posted by ODG
And that 616 is a multiverse.
Proof? Because now you're backpedaling; accusing the Lucifer-side of ignoring colloquial references to his creation as a universe, and then going ahead claiming that Earth-616 is a multiverse. Awful debating tactics are awful.
Originally posted by ODG
But just because Cho dropped a loaded term, "multiverse," doesn't necessarily make it so. Especially not when Chaos King's and Supergod Herc's feats involving those countless alternate universes must have happened of-panel. Same with Lucifer. The laughably "multiversal" Mansions of Silence were necessarily not created by Lucifer. Thus, Lucifer never had a multiversal feat to his name prior to his own creation. And since we already admit that Lucifer's creation is bot exactly equivalent to Yahweh's creation, then you cannot reverse-project that Lucifer created his own Mansions of Silence... all off-panel.
Until you actually bring some proof which indicates, without a shadow of a doubt, that the Mansions randomly popped into existence and that Lucy and Mikey had
absolutely had nothing to do with their creation, this is all speculation on you part. And a laughably dumb one at that.
Originally posted by ODG
Especially when it's based on no evidence, whatsoever.
Originally posted by ODG
Nice quaneuver.
Bringing up quan wouldn't be the wisest way to insult me, seeing how your own account still remains hacked by him since the last day.
Originally posted by ODG
If it's the same bs loaded term being laced in both stories, why am I supposed to take one for granted and not the other?
Who the phuck is telling you to accept one and reject the other? Not me certainly.
Originally posted by ODG
Especially when it was dropped more often in Chaos War? Your attempt to point out inconsistency in the application of my standard failed miserably. Despite the flurry of conversations I have to keep track of. Not my first rodeo, pal. The alternate universes shown by the Mansions of Silence could not have been created by Lucifer. Why? Well, #1 Yahweh revealed to Michael and Lucifer that he played out his creation a thousand times before he ever brought forth Lucifer or Yahweh and therefore, invariably before Lucifer+Michael's creation of Yahweh's universe which is primarily featured throughout Lucifer. #2 Lucifer's first-recorded molding of the demiurgic energies could not have involved the "alternate universes" comprising the Mansions of Silence. As they would have been destroyed outright at the beginning of creation by Lucifer's mere presence. Since, y'know, that's exactly what happened when Lucifer got anywhere near the Mansions of Silence on-panel.
Again with the butthurt
"People think Lucifer is multiversal but Mikaboshi's not. It's double standards!!1!"You do realize people in real life have created things so fragile that even the slightest bit of clumsiness on their part would result in said fragile thing getting broken? Are you honestly suggesting that Lucifer of all people is incapable of doing the very same? What a dumb point to make?
Lol, that's a reaching interpretation of Yahweh's dialogue with his sons. But still even if we are to take it at face value, Lucifer's mere presence destroyed a dimension full of a cascade of alternate universes. Far better feat than the Chaos King's off-panel consumption of the multiverse or Herc having to give up his powers in order to undo the damage done.
Originally posted by ODG
So, y'know, you missed
Nothing. You on the other hand...
Originally posted by ODG
That Yahweh was a manipulative a-hole, who played the creation game long before Michael and Lucifer entered the picture. Michael and Lucifer were never necessary to His creation. Although Lucifer's role is His Will and Michael is His Power, Yahweh played out creation a thousand times before they even existed, i.e., the cast-off, fragile and failed mirror/shade/memories that comprise the Mansions of Silence. Lucifer and Michael's role was to inherit a new creation and display what randomness outside of His predestination would bring about. The crux of the series, in case you decided to completely miss the entire point of the Lucifer series. Accordingly, Lucifer never was responsible for the Mansions of Silence.
And here I thought you couldn't dig yourself any deeper. Prove that he designed multiple creations long before he created either of them. Lol, the crux of the series was Lucifer's attempts at escaping the Plan, and the dilemna that he faced when doing so since he didn't know if his actions were predestined or of his own free will. The even greater crux of the series is Lucifer's outright resentment with Yahweh for having created him, since Lucifer is a guy who likes to pay his debts, and since owing his entire existence to Yahweh is a debt that he can never pay back, that causes him to utterly dislike his douchebag dad. You are an utter tool.
Lol, still claiming that Lucifer and Michael had nothing to do with the Mansions without any proof whatsoever? Prove this silly claim of yours with a scan where it is outright stated that they weren't involved in the developing Yahweh's Creation. Or that they weren't the very first things whom God created. You made the claim. Time to own up to it.
Originally posted by ODG
And you've not shown a single iota of evidence that Lucifer created his own accompanying set of alternate universes when he made his own creation in Lucifer #13. We already know it's different from Yahweh's universe. You admitted it. So show me evidence that Lucifer created endless alternate analogues of his universe off-panel.
Lucifer's creation was a multiverse.
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Or don't. Because you can't.
That is rich coming from you of all people.
