Darth Malak Vs Luke Skywalker(ROTJ)

And did you listen to what I said? Have you even played both KOTOR’s all the way through LISTENING to the people who talk? Canderous said only a handful of Jedi were in the Mandalorian wars, the rest stayed with the Council. The Jedi were outnumbered by fallen Jedi 3 YEARS later (Time of Knights of the Old Republic), long after Revan chose Malak. Go back through and ask anyone about the MANDALORIAN wars, there were very few Jedi in them compared to the remaining Jedi. Jeez, you just have to tell some people 3 or 4 times…

I actually just started playing Kotor again so I'll check when I get there. Do you really think that Revan would have kept the same apprentice if there wasn't a better one that he could choose.

I think Luke could only win through the ultimate display of RIDICULOUS LUCK THAT NOT EVEN OBI-WAN HAS
the caps were just to make the point

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I actually just started playing Kotor again so I'll check when I get there. Do you really think that Revan would have kept the same apprentice if there wasn't a better one that he could choose.

Well, good point. But once you start teaching someone about the Sith, it would be pretty frustrating to start all over with some new person.

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Revan brought many Jedi into his dark ranks, and whether or not he had official control of a handful or thousands means little because he was smart enough and devious enough to maintain some kind of leverage or ties to all Jedi who could be corrupted. And those he deemed couldn't, or whose loyalties to him could be questioned, he destroyed above Malachor V. We know this much.

True, Malak was Revan's best friend. But I'm quite sure he forgot all about sentiments when he embraced the dark side. Still, Malak was his confidant and apprentice. Why? I would assume it's because Malak had potential none of the others had. Remember, Malak could use the Star Forge, though not nearly as well as his master. After Revan and Malak, no one else could control the thing. While I will admit that Luke is not getting the props he deserves on this board, he is a child among elders, here. Exar Kun, Bane, Sidious, Yoda.... ROTJ Luke? Kinda outclassed.

Luke! He he is very powerful he also becomes the strongest jedi in the future and he get married and has a son named ben skywalker

Well, I will admit that Yoda, Sidious, and MAYBE Exar Kun could take down ROTJ Luke, I still dont think Malak could. I dont know much at all about Bane, anyone want to list his accomplishments? Back on subject though, Malak could use the Star Forge and that is a pretty good accomplishment but ROTJ Luke probably could too if he was on the dark side. To fight against a powerful Sith Lord (your father) while he and another very powerful Sith Lord are both trying to turn you to the Dark Side, and win is pretty good. That takes alot of will power. Malak could probably defeat Maul and Count Dooku, but not Vader and not the guy who whooped Vader with ease. (ROTJ Luke)

To Lord Mader: its nice to have someone else on my side.

i m also on your side reade first 2 pages

sweet! its like 4 to 6 now. Soon the Malak rebellion will be crushed and they will be one of us! err, ignore that last comment...

"MAYBE Exar Kun could take down ROTJ Luke", Darh Revan. What the heck are you thinking? It took the Luke who started the academy, an Ancient Jedi Master, and twelve Jedi Trainee's to defeat Exar Kun's force ghost. There is no way Exar Kun could ever loose to ROTJ Luke.

Luke and Vodo didn't actually do a thing. they were just watching. it took the twelve jedi trainee's with two lightsabers total to defeat Exar. Besides, these twelve Jedi were pathetically weak. Heck, Exar Kun couldn't even destroy Luke's body when there was no one defending it. That is still pretty good for a spirit, I must admit. But Vader wiped out more Jedi than Exar Kun (even though I think Kun is a little stronger) and Luke won with ease against Vader. Vodo beat Exar Kun with a walking stick. Exar had to use two lightsabers to defeat Vodo at the time. (I know, he did get stronger.) Then Freedon saved his life and Exar had to use a Sith Amulet to save his life. By the way, what powerful Jedi or Sith did Kun defeat? Nadd's spirit, Vodo, and Ulic Qel Droma, all of whom are not as strong as Vader and ROTJ Luke is much stronger than Vader. Besides, not too long after that, Luke fought the younger Emperor's clone and won. For all we know, ROTJ Luke could have defeated the Emperor if he had used his lightsaber, but we dont know. He lasted a pretty long time against Sidious's Force Lightning. And one last thing, you will notice that I very rarely use absolutes like no way, never, or always. I almost always use PROBABLY, because you never know. Obi-Wan was way weaker than Maul in TPM and Obi-Wan won the fight.

Vodo was considered to be one of the best lightsaber weilders at that time and Kun was just a padawon. He waged a war. And when did it ever say that Luke and Vodo were just watching? Everything that I have seen points towards Luke and Vodo doing most of the work.

ROTJ Luke being more powerful than Malak?

What nonsense.

Luke's combat experience is limited to a few shootouts in the Death Star, flying for the rebellion as a pilot, the Battle of Hoth, one duel with Vader that went poorly. And the fiasco at Jabba's palace.

Malak was a Jedi guardian, trained and raised. Served in the Mandalorian Wars as the head tactician's right hand man and general. Lead the charge on numerous battles. Lived to tell the tale.

And let's put Malak in Luke's shoes. We'll start with Jabba's palace...

Malak wrenches the doors open with sheer force power. He pushes, freezes, or flat our chokes anything that gets in his way. He finishes Boba Fett easily, perhaps even with a deflected blaster bolt or again, sheer force power. Murders Jabba and everything that lives. Prolly wouldn't save Han, but in any case, he could have done it all easily.

Luke in Malak's shoes. Somehow survives the Mandalorian Wars. Eventually, challenges Darth Revan. Since Luke isn't so spineless as to fire on Revan's ship (I will give him that much) he challenges Revan. Loses. Is slain. No KOTOR for the kiddies.

Let's look again at Luke's victory over Vader.

Vader was more machien than man. Shoulder pads, etc, restricted movement. He could not use force lightning. Agility hampered. His legs from the knees down weren't even flesh. Neither was his arm. Was on life support a.k.a. a friggin' breathing helmet and machine. Nothing like wildly beating down you old man who doesn't really want to kill you when the guy can't hardly move or breath. What a Jedi master! I bow to the young farmer's might! Hell, with that much power I'm sure he could kick Kreia's walking stick out from under her and give her a pink belly!

Give me a break. NJO Luke is good. ROTJ Luke is a fool barely coming into his powers.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
ROTJ Luke being more powerful than Malak?

What nonsense.

Luke's combat experience is limited to a few shootouts in the Death Star, flying for the rebellion as a pilot, the Battle of Hoth, one duel with Vader that went poorly. And the fiasco at Jabba's palace.

Malak was a Jedi guardian, trained and raised. Served in the Mandalorian Wars as the head tactician's right hand man and general. Lead the charge on numerous battles. Lived to tell the tale.

And let's put Malak in Luke's shoes. We'll start with Jabba's palace...

Malak wrenches the doors open with sheer force power. He pushes, freezes, or flat our chokes anything that gets in his way. He finishes Boba Fett easily, perhaps even with a deflected blaster bolt or again, sheer force power. Murders Jabba and everything that lives. Prolly wouldn't save Han, but in any case, he could have done it all easily.

Luke in Malak's shoes. Somehow survives the Mandalorian Wars. Eventually, challenges Darth Revan. Since Luke isn't so spineless as to fire on Revan's ship (I will give him that much) he challenges Revan. Loses. Is slain. No KOTOR for the kiddies.

Let's look again at Luke's victory over Vader.

Vader was more machien than man. Shoulder pads, etc, restricted movement. He could not use force lightning. Agility hampered. His legs from the knees down weren't even flesh. Neither was his arm. Was on life support a.k.a. a friggin' breathing helmet and machine. Nothing like wildly beating down you old man who doesn't really want to kill you when the guy can't hardly move or breath. What a Jedi master! I bow to the young farmer's might! Hell, with that much power I'm sure he could kick Kreia's walking stick out from under her and give her a pink belly!

Give me a break. NJO Luke is good. ROTJ Luke is a fool barely coming into his powers.

exactly what I would say, kudos to you

In the end, Malak's story is a tragic one. He was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in their Order, and had a lifelong friend in Revan. But by taking the path of the dark side, which, ironically, Revan started him down in the first place, he lost that respect and friendship in a mad quest for power, trading them in for fear, hatred, and, eventually, death. But even after years of the corruption of the dark side, Malak was not entirely evil. As he lay dying, his mortal wounds dealt to him by his best friend, he couldn't help but wonder, had their positions been reversed, if he could have possessed the strength to return to the light as Revan did, and what his life would have been like had he been able to do so. He tried to blame Revan for his fate, but then admitted that, in the end, the only person he had to blame for how his life had ended was himself. Humbled and belittled by that knowledge, still bested by Revan despite all his clever plans and conquests, Malak, realizing that nothing he had ever done or could ever do could compare to the things done by his former master, at last acknowledged his inferiority, and his final words were the truest he had ever spoken: "And in the end, as the darkness takes me, I am nothing."

Make sure you read the whole thing...... Done? Good. Not please repeat the following to youself over and over again before you post.

In the end, Malak's story is a tragic one. He was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in their Order, and had a lifelong friend in Revan.

He was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in their Order.
He was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in their Order.
He was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in their Order.
He was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in their Order.
He was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in their Order.
He was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in their Order.
He was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in their Order.
He was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in their Order.

Were talking about Malak as one of the best of the Republic during a time of war and many Jedi greats.

Malak wins no contest.

See? That link rules.

Whoa, whoever said Luke has more power than Malak at this point in time is daffy. Luke just had the force in his back pocket, and protecting him, so yes, Luke could survive this battle, just as he did when Vader sliced his hand off. But to say he could win is too much of a stretch.

However, Luke had more potential than Malak and hey Janus, if you don't believe me, go find their midichlorian counts (which I know you hate) from SS (which we all hate)

Two things.

Are you saying that Super Shadow has all the midi-chlorian levels?

Are you saying Super Shadow is to be believed in this case?

lol, no I was just using those examples because I know you hate the idea of midichlorians, and super shadow is a lamer.