HOTU Thanos vs Scathan the Approver,Phoenix,LT & Infinites

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

At the end of the day,
it has never been officially confirmed that the HOTI was actually the Marvel Gods power.

It was suggested on panel, but never confirmed.

At the beginning and at "the end of the day,"
it was officially confirmed that the HOTI was actually God's power,
that made Thanos the Supreme Being of the Marvel Universe.

It was blatantly presented On Panel, and confirmed in Thanos' bio.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Not a single bio (and there were several which referenced the event) confirmed the HOTI as the supreme beings power.

Hmm ...

Here's Thanos' 2008 bio: (at the bottom)

Except for Thanos' own Bio:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos

" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...

... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "

.................................................................................

Official Marvel Handbook as well:

"Thanos eradicated the Order, they ... Pronounced him GOD" ...

.............................................................................

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

LT the only being we know who has direct contact with Marvels supreme being,
did not acknowledge it as his masters power.

LT who serves his masters wishes even stood up against the power.

LT? ... LT what?

LT tried to go up against Thanos,
because LT knew the power was in the wrong hands, (Thanos'😉

LT brought with him practically the entire Marvel Universe to Help Him:

=== The Set UP ===

=== The Attack ===

(Heroes ... and Villains) lol! ... Everyone!

LT KNEW he was going up against the power that was SUPERIOR to his own.

We KNOW what that ONLY power that's SUPERIOR to the LT is:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - LT bio 2006)

"The Living Tribunal's ONLY Superior is TOAA"

......................................................................................

Does it really need to get any clearer? 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Im not saying the power is NOT the supreme beings power,
i'm saying it was never officially confirmed only alluded to on panel.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Thanos has called the IG gods power, it conclusively was NOT.
It was nothing of the sort.

The IG was thought to be the "supreme power,"
until we saw the LT's authority and power above it on panel and confirmed in his bio.

BIG difference friend!

The IG was depicted as being below the LT,
while THOTI was depicted as being above the LT.

ONLY power above the LT's is TOAA's.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Lower beings of comparatively limited perception and power could
and would understandably acknowledge a power as supreme
if it is beyond all that they know and hold sacred.
To a hero like Thor who is puny in the scheme of things,
of course a power beyond the likes of Odin and even the abstracts
is going to seem supreme. His word is not gospel.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Eternity knows nothing of the supreme being.
Only LT has that honour as far as we know.
A power far beyond his own,
given who and what he is is going to be supreme as far as he is concerned. His word on matters he has no knowledge of,
matters far beyond his understanding similarly is not the gospel truth.

Eternity's "Lord and Master" is the Almighty Supreme Being TOAA/God.

Thanos knew "Eternity could SENSE" he had become the new Supreme Being because of this:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Its like taking the opinion of Jubilee on the inner workings of Galactus and his World Ship as conclusive evidence about a debate regarding Galactus. It just isnt good enough.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

The only reputable on panel opinion would be from a character that by canon has interaction with the supreme being and that is LT.

Don't play yourself.

Jim Starlin made it clear through out the arc,
from the mouths of many characters, (Starlin speaking really)
he gave Thanos the power to absorb the LT easily,

uhh ... nuff said.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Whilst your opinion is understandable, it has not been verified as fact, therefore it needs to be made clear in debates that what you're presenting to us is just opinion that is alluded to on panel, but never conclusively proven.

Okay GS, just what WOULD have needed to be said for you to think it was conclusively stated?

I always wondered, why there wasn't the Phoenix Force in the battle against Thanos with THOTI.

Originally posted by Xplosive I always wondered, why there wasn't the Phoenix Force in the battle against Thanos with THOTI.

Still no definitive proof, how many times will the same scans be used to say nothing?...The writers stated a supreme power...i am fine with that, as supreme power has been used many times before.....but until i see a scan or bio stating it was TOAA's Power ......its all speculation... 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
Still no definitive proof, how many times will the same scans be used to say nothing?...The writers stated a supreme power...i am fine with that, as supreme power has been used many times before.....but until i see a scan or bio stating it was TOAA's Power ......its all speculation... 🙂

Maybe good buddy.

But Thanos absorbed LT, effortlessly absorbed LT, and the only thing more powerful than the LT is.......?

I personally believe it was the Almighty's power. The Marvel Handbook states that the only thing more powerful than the LT is the Supreme being, and with reference to the Almighty and the Supreme One, in the actual story on panel, i find it hard to see otherwise.

Originally posted by starlock
Still no definitive proof, how many times will the same scans be used to say nothing?...The writers stated a supreme power...i am fine with that, as supreme power has been used many times before.....but until i see a scan or bio stating it was TOAA's Power ......its all speculation... 🙂

You have to use ABC logic here.

Originally posted by Astner
If x * y = z, then y = z/x

You have to use ABC logic here.

No sorry i dont have to...i use the logic that the writers purposely left out the name "The One Above All" for a reason, thats it, anything else is speculation..no matter how many scans or how much abc logic is applied....Does TOAA appear in the comic? simple question?

what some are doing is trying to make a set rule that the HOTU cannot be beaten because its TOAA'apower......let the feats speak for themselves...i think its enough on its own

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Maybe good buddy.

But Thanos absorbed LT, effortlessly absorbed LT, and the only thing more powerful than the LT is.......?

I personally believe it was the Almighty's power. The Marvel Handbook states that the only thing more powerful than the LT is the Supreme being, and with reference to the Almighty and the Supreme One, in the actual story on panel, i find it hard to see otherwise.

Your personal beliefs, are only your opinon, i am ok with that 🙂

The fact that you bye into the Only thing more powerfull that LT is TOAA...is disturbing...no disrespect...show me those words? show me the scans that state that exactly how you phrase it?

This is the actuall quote, and phrased the way it is with a judge of the multiverse, its kinda misleading
"The Living Tribunal's ONLY superior is TOAA"

Now how misleading is that....my superior here at my job....would make in his pants if i were to threaten him and start fighting with him...whats that proove....now about 50 new posters and people who are not so savy will say "The Only thing more powerfull that LT is TOAA...., i look to a fair and even debate...when the heirarchy is set in stone....where is the debate? why not just make a thread and ask Mr Master who wins?

No disrespect intended, fellow team member 😛

Originally posted by Astner
What could a bird have done against a god?

And what would have Thor do to God, what he did? Or Hulk, Logan,...?
Your answer is meaningless. No one would be able to do anything, but there were more than 95% lesser beings than PF against THOTI.

Probably they just forgot PF. But if there were Eternity, Galactus, Celestials and..., there should be Phoenix Force.
Although it would not help anything, of course.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree.

At the beginning and at "the end of the day,"
it was officially confirmed that the HOTI was actually God's power,
that made Thanos the Supreme Being of the Marvel Universe.

It was blatantly presented On Panel, and confirmed in Thanos' bio.

Really?

Hmm ...

Here's [B]Thanos' 2008 bio: (at the bottom)

Except for Thanos' own Bio:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos

" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...

... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "

.................................................................................

Official Marvel Handbook as well:

"Thanos eradicated the Order, they ... Pronounced him GOD" ...

............................................................................. [/B]

You're telling me it was officially confirmed. Where? 😕

On panel it was alluded to. However the only being on panel that could give a creditable assessment of the matter was LT and he said no such thing.

In Marvel, LT is the only being who communes directly with the supreme being. ANYONE other than LT's opinionis not good enough.

"... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe "

That quote from the bio tells us what Thanos thought its not stating what actually is the case.

If destroying the universe is what it takes to become a supreme being then we've got a problem here 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT didn't have to spell it out for us, are you kidding?

LT? ... LT what?

LT tried to go up against Thanos,
because LT knew the power was in the wrong hands, (Thanos'😉

LT brought with him practically the entire Marvel Universe [B]to Help Him:

=== The Set UP ===

=== The Attack ===

(Heroes ... and Villains) lol! ... Everyone!

LT KNEW he was going up against the power that was SUPERIOR to his own.

We KNOW what that ONLY power that's SUPERIOR to the LT is:

(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook - LT bio 2006)

"The Living Tribunal's ONLY Superior is TOAA"

......................................................................................

Does it really need to get any clearer? 🙂 [/B]

LT is the only on panel reputable opinion in this matter.

Not once did LT refer to the HOTI as Gods power or his masters power. Thats all this comes down to.

LT getting heroes to fight for him does not equate to HOTI was Gods power. That point is your OPINION.

The point isnt stated on panel or within a bio. Please dont present such supposition as fact Mr Master.

Hierarchy is continually in flux. It is never set in stone. LT is stated to be second to TOAA.

He was defeated by HOTI.

That suggests that HOTI is gods power. It doesnt confirm it.

There is a difference.

For all we know there was a hierarchy change.

The point was never confirmed by LT. The point was never confirmed by a bio.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I completely disagree.

Thnaos never called the IG god's power,
he and others called him and Warlock "God,"
and indeed they were,
but the LT serves one who is above even "Gods"

The IG was thought to be the "supreme power,"
until we saw the LT's authority and power above it on panel and confirmed in his bio.

BIG difference friend!

The IG was depicted as being below the LT,
while THOTI was depicted as being above the LT.

ONLY power above the LT's is TOAA's.

LOL!

😆 Yo, this is just hilarious.

Eternity's "Lord and Master" is the Almighty Supreme Being TOAA/God.

Thanos knew "Eternity could SENSE" he had become the new Supreme Being because of this:

This is inconsequential to this scenario,
but don't think I don't appreciate the reach.

This is false,
the conversation between Thanos and Eternity clearly indicates,
that Eternity ALSO has a relation with the Supreme Being.

Don't play yourself.

Jim Starlin made it clear through out the arc,
from the mouths of many characters, (Starlin speaking really)
he gave Thanos the power to absorb the LT easily,

uhh ... nuff said.

It's an opinion ... in your opinion,
that's the only thing that should be made clear.

Thanos stated in Thanos Quest that the Infinity Being was God.

This was later revealed to be far from the truth.

The only person in Marvel that has regular contact with TOAA is LT. The only reputable authority on TOAA is therefore LT.

LT never confirmed Thanos' boasts. The bios never confirmed Thanos boasts.

In fact, all that was stated about the HOTI in Akhenatens bio was that it was a vastly energy source. Nothing of the divine was indicated or referenced. Aside from Thanos' posturing, nothing was confirmed, only alluded to by characters who knew nothing of the supreme being.

😆

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay GS, just what WOULD have needed to be said for you to think it was conclusively stated?

There is a difference between allusion and confirmation.

I'm not saying HOTI is NOT the supreme beings power. That was certainly suggested on panel.

I'm just saying it was not confirmed conclusively on panel or in a bio.

The fact that Thanos constantly used references such as "Almighty" and "Supreme being" is not confirmation. He called the Infinity Being supreme and "God". That was far from the case.

The ONLY character to be any kind of authority on the supreme being is LT. No confirmation came from LT.

Would we accept what Jubilee says about the nature of Galactus just because she says it? Would we accept what she said about Galactus because Cyclops or Storm never disagreed with her? They just let her babble on?

LT is said to be second only to TOAA. Lt was defeated by HOTI. Does that mean HOTI equals Gods power? ❌

Not necessarily. It certainly suggests that. It doesnt confirm it.

For all we know, the hierarchy was revised. It is not set in stone.

Phoenix was stated to be second only to God. Does that mean every being who has defeated a host was channeling the power of God? 😬

For all we know, it was just an M Body of LT's. An LT M Body was found in the Dimension of Manifestations so we know he uses them.

Akhenatens bio refers to the HOTI as a vast power, no divine reference was made. None has been in any bio and none was made on panel by the only authority on the supreme being we know of........LT 😱

There is a difference between that which is alluded to and that which is made conclusive via official sources.

Originally posted by Xplosive

I always wondered, why there wasn't the Phoenix Force in the battle against Thanos with THOTI.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Because the PF is a joke to the cosmic hierarchy.

🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
🙂