South Dakota's New Transgender Bathroom Bill

Originally posted by Surtur
Also what about high schools? Teenage boys tend to be d-bags. Would you put it past some horny teen to go "oh tee hee I identify as a female" so he can go see him some titties?

Because identifying as transgender in high school is stigma-free and loads of fun. I highly doubt a teenage boy would put up with the bullying and ridicule he would receive from his peers for identifying as transgender just to see something he can easily see all over the internet.

Originally posted by Surtur
I would also ask you how you feel a legit trans gender teen would be treated by his peers, especially if he is seen dressing as a girl and going into the girls bathroom?

How would that teen be treated if he dressed as a girl and then went into the boys bathroom?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I think this guy is just a liar and a fraud. There is no proof he is in transition, he does not look like he is in transition, he looks like a typical thug.

I think this guy is just a liar and a fraud. There is no proof he is in transition, he does not look like he is in transition, he looks like a typical thug.

Originally posted by Newjak
You do realize that there are transitioning people that fully look like their identified gender right? Because of hormones and surgeries they are pretty spot on. So it doesn't matter whether you think they are lying or not the truth is this is a real scenario that can happen.

Don't speak to me, we know how you operate with "warnings" and you breaking the rules and going and crying to the mods.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Don't speak to me, we know how you operate with "warnings" and you breaking the rules and going and crying to the mods.

Don't speak to me, I have nothing to say to you, ever again.

Seriously does South Dakota have a high transgender population to necessitate a new bill to be passed?

I worked amongst the gay & transgender community for 20 years & I honestly don't recall ever hearing or reading the gay community newspapers where dressing rooms or bathrooms were ever an issue.

In the short-term, unisex restrooms should probably be more widespread to deal with this issue.

In the long/ideal term, gender-specific restrooms should be done away with altogether. I envision public restrooms to do away with urinals and just be made up of stalls where the walls of each stall go all the way up to the ceiling (to prevent peeking, etc), and for there to be cameras that are angled to show the entire restroom but not the interiors of the stalls themselves soas to safeguard against attempted rapes and other forms of sexual harassment.

People make a big deal about men abusing unisex restrooms to perv on women, but frankly there are a lot of primitive societies that have existed and still do exist in South America/Africa where men and women both walk around their villages/towns buck ass naked all day every day, with few problems.

There's very little evidence that I'm aware of that states that exposure to the opposite sex when they're naked or in an "inappropriate" state increases the probability of sexual harassment. Rather, the rate of sexual harassment differs based on social constructs.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
In the short-term, unisex restrooms should probably be more widespread to deal with this issue.

In the long/ideal term, gender-specific restrooms should be done away with altogether. I envision public restrooms to do away with urinals and just be made up of stalls where the walls of each stall go all the way up to the ceiling (to prevent peeking, etc), and for there to be cameras that are angled to show the entire restroom but not the interiors of the stalls themselves soas to safeguard against attempted rapes and other forms of sexual harassment.

Cameras should always be angled at the occupants' genitalia.

Yes, but tacitly.

The official pitch is what I said.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
In the short-term, unisex restrooms should probably be more widespread to deal with this issue.

In the long/ideal term, gender-specific restrooms should be done away with altogether. I envision public restrooms to do away with urinals and just be made up of stalls where the walls of each stall go all the way up to the ceiling (to prevent peeking, etc), and for there to be cameras that are angled to show the entire restroom but not the interiors of the stalls themselves soas to safeguard against attempted rapes and other forms of sexual harassment.

People make a big deal about men abusing unisex restrooms to perv on women, but frankly there are a lot of primitive societies that have existed and still do exist in South America/Africa where men and women both walk around their villages/towns buck ass naked all day every day, with few problems.

There's very little evidence that I'm aware of that states that exposure to the opposite sex when they're naked or in an "inappropriate" state increases the probability of sexual harassment. Rather, the rate of sexual harassment differs based on social constructs.

To put it bluntly, I think a lot of people, both male & female would find it uncomfortable taking a dump (with all its smells & sounds) in the same vicinity as the opposite sex.

I also don't think a woman would feel comfortable disposing of sanitary pad in plain sight of a man watching.

I can only assume most couples in long term relationships still value their privacy when it comes to toiletry functions. I've never had my missus want to share the same bathroom whilst I was taking a crap nor did it ever occur to me to barge in whilst she was doing her business.

I don't know many people who would be comfortable using a unisex restroom.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
To put it bluntly, I think a lot of people, both male & female would find it uncomfortable taking a dump (with all its smells & sounds) in the same vicinity as the opposite sex.

I also don't think a woman would feel comfortable disposing of sanitary pad in plain sight of a man watching.

I can only assume most couples in long term relationships still value their privacy when it comes to toiletry functions. I've never had my missus want to share the same bathroom whilst I was taking a crap nor did it ever occur to me to barge in whilst she was doing her business.

I don't know many people who would be comfortable using a unisex restroom.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
To put it bluntly, I think a lot of people, both male & female would find it uncomfortable taking a dump (with all its smells & sounds) in the same vicinity as the opposite sex.

I also don't think a woman would feel comfortable disposing of sanitary pad in plain sight of a man watching.

I can only assume most couples in long term relationships still value their privacy when it comes to toiletry functions. I've never had my missus want to share the same bathroom whilst I was taking a crap nor did it ever occur to me to barge in whilst she was doing her business.

I don't know many people who would be comfortable using a unisex restroom.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
In the long/ideal term, gender-specific restrooms should be done away with altogether.

Some public spaces are moving toward this already, removing gendered restroom signage and replacing it with All Gender Restroom signage.

It is also more convenient for parents and families. Men's restrooms often do not have baby changing stations for example. And many parents worry about bringing their opposite-sex child into the "wrong" restroom. This eliminates all of that.

Slightly off topic, but how do prisons handle transgender people? Is a ftm sent to s male prison and vice versa? Prisons have open showers, no getting around that issue.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Slightly off topic, but how do prisons handle transgender people? Is a ftm sent to s male prison and vice versa? Prisons have open showers, no getting around that issue.

If things were truly equal then a female who identifies as a man would be sent to a male prison. A dude who identifies as a woman would be sent to a female prison. I'm not sure if that would happen and obviously you can foresee some potential problems if they did that, but I know women out there who preach about how they want equality so..I would be all for it.

Here is an interesting question though: what about school teachers? It may seem weird, but what if you have someone who is a man and he teaches young kids and one day he decides he is a female and wants to dress up like a female and teach the kids? Do you think parents would be okay with that? Some wouldn't mind, but some would.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Some public spaces are moving toward this already, removing gendered restroom signage and replacing it with All Gender Restroom signage.

It is also more convenient for parents and families. Men's restrooms often do not have baby changing stations for example. And many parents worry about bringing their opposite-sex child into the "wrong" restroom. This eliminates all of that.

Well I suppose this is a step towards true equality. Especially since I've noticed that the female specific bathrooms overall tend to be nicer then the male restrooms. I saw one female restroom with a small couch in it, the male restroom in the same place had no such thing. I couldn't figure out why females deserved a couch in the bathroom, but men did not.

Originally posted by Surtur
If things were truly equal then a female who identifies as a man would be sent to a male prison. A dude who identifies as a woman would be sent to a female prison. I'm not sure if that would happen and obviously you can foresee some potential problems if they did that, but I know women out there who preach about how they want equality so..I would be all for it.

Here is an interesting question though: what about school teachers? It may seem weird, but what if you have someone who is a man and he teaches young kids and one day he decides he is a female and wants to dress up like a female and teach the kids? Do you think parents would be okay with that? Some wouldn't mind, but some would.

My guess on their main reason would be that they do not agree with that lifestyle and they don't want an authority figure over their children promoting it. Or they don't want their kids exposed to it.

Now if the question was should they care they shouldn't really.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Slightly off topic, but how do prisons handle transgender people? Is a ftm sent to s male prison and vice versa? Prisons have open showers, no getting around that issue.

They are sent to a prison that corresponds with their birth sex but are segregated from other prisoners.

Originally posted by Surtur
Here is an interesting question though: what about school teachers? It may seem weird, but what if you have someone who is a man and he teaches young kids and one day he decides he is a female and wants to dress up like a female and teach the kids? Do you think parents would be okay with that? Some wouldn't mind, but some would.

Most transgender teachers do not transition during the school year. They wait until the summer and return with a different name in the fall.