Physical Strength Contest: Superman VS Kurse VS Thor VS The Hulk

Originally posted by Robtard
That post didn't refute what I said.

Of course it did... Faora.. Zod and Nam were all doing stuff they KNEW they could do.. They weren't surprised in the least they could. The director went out of his way to explain when things were a surprised and didn't think they could do. This is shown with Superman and Zod... he clearly knows how to illustrate this point. Faora and Nam.. Jumping and speed were already present this did them casually as if they knew they could. Which of course makes sense since we know Kryptonians naturally have super powers.. not just when on earth like you seem to believe.

Originally posted by Robtard
That post didn't refute what I said.

Edit: It should also be noted that the only time any of the Kryptonians lost their powers (while in our solar system) was while they were under an artificial red sun, inside Zod's flagship.

Which should further clue you in... Once they are removed from a red sun they ALREADY HAVE ABILITIES AND POWERS. Period. This is why they seemed human level on Krypton.. because it was a near a red sun. once they were sent to the phantom zone and removed from the situation and set out on their quest for Kal... Their powers would've returned and abilities gained back. This is indisputable. They simply would've gotten more powers being near a younger yellow sun.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course it did... Faora.. Zod and Nam were all doing stuff they KNEW they could do.. They weren't surprised in the least they could. The director went out of his way to explain when things were a surprised and didn't think they could do. This is shown with Superman and Zod... he clearly knows how to illustrate this point. Faora and Nam.. Jumping and speed were already present this did them casually as if they knew they could. Which of course makes sense since we know Kryptonians naturally have super powers.. not just when on earth like you seem to believe.

I feel like you're arguing against something I'm not saying here. I know Kryptonians were (at least some of them, eg Jor-El for certain) aware that their bodies possess massive potential due to their biology/solar cells

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which should further clue you in... Once they are removed from a red sun they ALREADY HAVE ABILITIES AND POWERS. Period. This is why they seemed human level on Krypton.. because it was a near a red sun. once they were sent to the phantom zone and removed from the situation and set out on their quest for Kal... Their powers would've returned and abilities gained back. This is indisputable. They simply would've gotten more powers being near a younger yellow sun.

Again, feel like you're arguing against something I'm not saying. But it's clear that being under a yellow sun is what fuels them. If they're out in space and have no direct contact to yellow sun radiation, no powers to be had. It seems like you're looking at it from a: "they always have powers unless under a red sun", which isn't the case, yellow sun radiation is the key; film Wiki supports this.

Originally posted by Robtard
I feel like you're arguing against something I'm not saying here. I know Kryptonians were (at least some of them, eg Jor-El for certain) aware that their bodies possess massive potential due to their biology/solar cells

Again, feel like you're arguing against something I'm not saying. But it's clear that being under a yellow sun is what fuels them. If they're out in space and have no direct contact to yellow sun radiation, no powers to be had. It seems like you're looking at it from a: "they always have powers unless under a red sun", which isn't the case, yellow sun radiation is the key; film Wiki supports this.

Of course they have powers without being near a yellow sun.. Their powers are just enhanced under a yellow sun. You think when superman travels all over the solar system he's always in contact with a yellow sun? Not in the least.. but that doesn't stop him from Flying or doing things beyond our comprehension. He's just further enhanced with prolonged exposure. Point is, the director went out of his way to show the situation where they were surprised they could do something. He illustrated them. With Faora speed.. jumping along with Nam strength etc etc.. The directed clearly showed us they weren't the least bit surprised they could do them and it had nothing to do with being near a yellow sun. Their suits were protecting them from exposure. Something the director also went out of his way to present. I'm just confused how you could miss these clearly presentations that are slapping you in the face.

I swear people don't understand the movies the watch.

You're looking at it from a comic angle now, Clark keeps his powers when not in direct contact to yellow sun radiation since his body can store the energy like a battery, but he will eventually need to recharge.

Film version, they need to be in direct contact to yellow sun radiation (YSR), at least from what we've seen. I wouldn't be surprised if Clark becomes a solar-battery like his comic counterpart in future films

Again, Zod and crew weren't surprised YSR gave them powers since it was knowledge Krypton previously had and Zod being general of the planet would likely have been privy to that knowledge. Jor-El comments to his wife "how?", when she mentions that humans would tried and kill Kal out of fear. Meaning Jor-El knew what YSR would do to Kal's biology

The suits did nothing to prevent solar radiation absorption, this is why they were powered, it did prevent sensory overload though

Here:

"Kryptonians within their natural environment are known to be as weak as a Human and are known to live within an atmosphere that would kill any Human, unless that Human is wearing a Breather. Kryptonians are also known to possess natural solar cells that allow them to process solar energy, which is what fuels their powers."

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Under their native Red sun, Kryptonians possess physical attributes similar to normal Humans. However, when exposed to solar radiation from a Yellow sun, Kryptonians gain superhuman abilities that greatly surpass those of humans and even most superhumans: DC Film Wiki

Notice it doesn't say: "Kryptonians have powers everywhere except under a red sun", as you seem to think

Originally posted by Robtard
You're looking at it from a comic angle now, Clark keeps his powers when not in direct contact to yellow sun radiation since his body can store the energy like a battery, but he will eventually need to recharge.

Film version, they need to be in direct contact to yellow sun radiation (YSR), at least from what we've seen. I wouldn't be surprised if Clark becomes a solar-battery like his comic counterpart in future films

Again, Zod and crew weren't surprised YSR gave them powers since it was knowledge Krypton previously had and Zod being general of the planet would likely have been privy to that knowledge. Jor-El comments to his wife "how?", when she mentions that humans would tried and kill Kal out of fear. Meaning Jor-El knew what YSR would do to Kal's biology

The suits did nothing to prevent solar radiation absorption, this is why they were powered, it did prevent sensory overload though

Here:

"Kryptonians within their natural environment are known to be as weak as a Human and are known to live within an atmosphere that would kill any Human, unless that Human is wearing a Breather. Kryptonians are also known to possess natural solar cells that allow them to process solar energy, which is what fuels their powers."

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Under their native Red sun, Kryptonians possess physical attributes similar to normal Humans. However, when exposed to solar radiation from a Yellow sun, Kryptonians gain superhuman abilities that greatly surpass those of humans and even most superhumans: DC Film Wiki

Notice it doesn't say: "Kryptonians have powers everywhere except under a red sun", as you seem to think

The comic books are what these characters are based on... That is THE medium to look to when understanding their nature and history. no they don't have to be directly near a yellow sun to have those powers. They get MORE powers being near a yellow sun and it enhances them further. I'm not disputing this. You seem to believe they are weak without a yellow sun and that just isn't so. Look at what you just posted.. a red sun WEAKENS THEM... If you get weakened you obviously and clearly were stronger before the weakening took place. If they were just naturally this way than a red sun wouldn't have a negative effect at all. Yet it clearly does. Thus illustrating the point that the red sun is what weakened them.. once they are removed from that environment they will naturally be stronger and have abilities that aren't be suppressed. Obviously a yellow sun will give them more powers, but the red sun is what weakened them to that level, they are just normally that way.

You literally have NO basis or proof to say the suits didn't prevent this. It goes against the CLEAR presentation of the director. He clearly showed that the suits were protecting them. You believe it only protected them from exposure.. You have nothing to base this on. Do tell me how they were getting exposure and radiation to their cells when ever inch of their body was covered with a battle suit. Once the top part of their suit was compromised.. they were getting all the exposure. Prior to that you have no proof in the least that they were gaining solar radiation while totally covered in a battle suit.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I swear people don't understand the movies the watch.

Funny enough, you should pay more attention to the movie you're watching.. Good call Time

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The comic books are what these characters are based on... That is THE medium to look to when understanding their nature and history. no they don't have to be directly near a yellow sun to have those powers. They get MORE powers being near a yellow sun and it enhances them further. I'm not disputing this. You seem to believe they are weak without a yellow sun and that just isn't so. Look at what you just posted.. a red sun WEAKENS THEM... If you get weakened you obviously and clearly were stronger before the weakening took place. If they were just naturally this way than a red sun wouldn't have a negative effect at all. Yet it clearly does. Thus illustrating the point that the red sun is what weakened them.. once they are removed from that environment they will naturally be stronger and have abilities that aren't be suppressed. Obviously a yellow sun will give them more powers, but the red sun is what weakened them to that level, they are just normally that way.

You literally have NO basis or proof to say the suits didn't prevent this. It goes against the CLEAR presentation of the director. He clearly showed that the suits were protecting them. You believe it only protected them from exposure.. You have nothing to base this on. Do tell me how they were getting exposure and radiation to their cells when ever inch of their body was covered with a battle suit. Once the top part of their suit was compromised.. they were getting all the exposure. Prior to that you have no proof in the least that they were gaining solar radiation while totally covered in a battle suit.

The comics support that YSR is what gives Superman his powers too and if denied access to YSR, he will slowly lose his powers. But movies don't always strictly follow the comics

They're "weak as humans" on Krypton due to not having access to any YSR. This is very direct: "when exposed to solar radiation from a Yellow sun, Kryptonians gain superhuman abilities" & "possess natural solar cells that allow them to process solar energy, which is what fuels their powers." it's clear YSR is the key

I do, the film. They're wearing suits and when they're exposed to YSR, they gain powers regardless of the suit.

Honestly, I would win.

But with just the people in this thread, I'll go with whoever Robtard said.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Funny enough, you should pay more attention to the movie you're watching.. Good call Time

Considering you think the suits directly stop them from absorbing solar energy when the movie directly contradicts this, you need to watch it again.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Considering you think the suits directly stop them from absorbing solar energy when the movie directly contradicts this, you need to watch it again.

Do tell when this was directly contradicted.

Originally posted by Robtard
The comics support that YSR is what gives Superman his powers too and if denied access to YSR, he will slowly lose his powers. But movies don't always strictly follow the comics

They're "weak as humans" on Krypton due to not having access to any YSR. This is very direct: "when exposed to solar radiation from a Yellow sun, Kryptonians gain superhuman abilities" & "possess natural solar cells that allow them to process solar energy, which is what fuels their powers." it's clear YSR is the key

I do, the film. They're wearing suits and when they're exposed to YSR, they gain powers regardless of the suit.

I'm curious... Do you NOT know that Red sun weakens kryptonians? Are you not aware of this fact. So them having human level of powers on their NATIVE world (which is near a red sun) is BECAUSE of the red sun. That is EXACTLY why they are weakened. I'm starting to think you don't some basic facts about kryptonians. Once you remove them from what's is weakening them... they would naturally gain back power and strength.. are you denying this fact?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm curious... Do you NOT know that Red sun weakens kryptonians? Are you not aware of this fact. So them having human level of powers on their NATIVE world (which is near a red sun) is BECAUSE of the red sun. That is EXACTLY why they are weakened. I'm starting to think you don't some basic facts about kryptonians. Once you remove them from what's is weakening them... they would naturally gain back power and strength.. are you denying this fact?

Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly: You think that Krptonians are naturally super-powered and that Red Solar radiation robs them of these inherent powers?

Instead of: They're non-powered beings, but gain powers when they absorb yellow solar radiation

Originally posted by Robtard
Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly: You think that Krptonians are naturally super-powered and that Red Solar radiation robs them of these inherent powers?

Instead of: They're non-powered beings, but gain powers when they absorb yellow solar radiation

Kinda, what I'm saying is... growing up under a red sun their ENTIRE lives has naturally and rightly so weakened them. Red sun is bad for them. I would be like us living near a nuclear waste land our entire lives... making us weaker and more vulnerable to things in such a state. Same thing here. If they were at a place NOT being weakened constantly they would have super powers and be able to do things well beyond what a human could do. However, when near a younger yellow sun... they will gain even more powers and become even more powerful.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do tell when this was directly contradicted.

It was not, the gained powers as soon as they entered our solar system. Regardless of the suits.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Kinda, what I'm saying is... growing up under a red sun their ENTIRE lives has naturally and rightly so weakened them. Red sun is bad for them. I would be like us living near a nuclear waste land our entire lives... making us weaker and more vulnerable to things in such a state. Same thing here. If they were at a place NOT being weakened constantly they would have super powers and be able to do things well beyond what a human could do. However, when near a younger yellow sun... they will gain even more powers and become even more powerful.

This isn't supported by the comics, while Superman's powers and the source of his powers have changed since the very beginning, for many decades now its been canon that "yellow solar radiation" is what powers him; without it, he is powerless. Red Solar radiation isn't "bad" for Kryptonians, it just doesn't grant them abilities.

Regular Superman wiki:

The source of Superman's powers has changed subtly over the course of his history. It was originally stated that Superman's abilities derived from his Kryptonian heritage, which made him eons more evolved than humans.[81] This was soon amended, with the source for the powers now based upon the establishment of Krypton's gravity as having been stronger than that of the Earth. This situation mirrors that of Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter. As Superman's powers increased, the implication that all Kryptonians had possessed the same abilities became problematic for writers, making it doubtful that a race of such beings could have been wiped out by something as trifling as an exploding planet. In part to counter this, the Superman writers established that Kryptonians, whose native star Rao had been red, possessed superpowers only under the light of a yellow sun.[116]

DC Comic Wikia:

Wanting him to reclaim the fullness in life denied him by the sterility of Kryptonian culture, his parents sent him to Earth, where exposure to the yellow sunlight would charge his cells into living solar batteries and gift him with incredible powers.

Superman Wikia:

When the Superman character was revised by John Byrne shortly after Crisis on Infinite Earths, it was decided to place restrictions on his abilities. This was designed to make it easier for writers to come up with suitable challenges for the hero, and to eliminate or reduce those powers that had become too sensational or unbelievable for modern audiences. Emphasis was placed on yellow sun energy as a source for the character's powers. Superman's origin story was altered so that his powers developed gradually as his body absorbed yellow sunlight, and stories such as the Final Night series depicted the character gradually losing his powers when deprived of the sun's energy. When Superman's reserves of solar energy were depleted, as in Infinite Crisis or the Death of Superman story arcs, he required an extended period of time under a yellow sun, or some type of artificial solar enhancement in order to recharge.

The film MoS follows this for the most part.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Were you even watching the movie? Of course it was stopping it.. Why do you think they were just fine.. until they were exposed... Then Faora and Zod both experienced serious issues and couldn't keep all of it out. So yes, their suit was preventing a lot, if not all exposure to them. This is further illustrated by Zod getting powers once he was exposed... Learning to fly.. HV vision etc etc. That was a direct result of being exposed

Jesus Christ, are you serious? Did you even pay attention? Their suits were filtering out the atmosphere, not sun light. Sun light gave them their strength and speed, the air gave them the rest. They even made a point of showing Superman being depowered by Kryptonian atmosphere on the ship.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Regarding jumping feats, I'm going to quote something that Robtard mentioned about Hulk's jumping in Incredible Hulk:

Rio De Janeiro to even the Southern border of Guatemala is around 3,800-3,900 miles. Hulk to have done that trip in a single night means his long jumps are many, many miles long.

That doesn't relate to jumping strength. I don't remember exactly, but did they show Hulk jumping all night? Let alone miles at a time? All Rob's quote shows us is that Hulk can traverse 3,800-3,900 miles in, what?, 7 hours? That means he can maintain an Average velocity of 557 miles per hour. It tells us nothing about his jumping distance. Hell, he could have been running half the time. And considering he has never done anything close to that in either IH or Avengers, "many, many miles long" jumps is (pardon the pun) a huge leap. If he was really capable of that, why bother parkouring your way out of Harlem, or jump off of other buildings to reach rooftops?

Like I said: Hulk's best on screen vertical jumping feat is gaining 800-900 feet of altitude, whilst Kal was well over a mile. Mile = 5,280 feet.

Originally posted by FrothByte

The leviathans were casually tearing up buildings by brushing against them. Falling unto a building is not quite the same as flying into it with intent. I have no doubt that had a leviathan flown straight down into a building that it'd have no trouble decimating the whole thing.

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Superman merely standing up under the World Engine is a better strength feat then Hulk ever performed. It's also worth noting that the Engine didn't merely tear down the building, but those at ground zero were completely crushed into a flat.