The storm ritual that the BoD used on Ruusan. The other Sith Lords provided the power to Bane but it came in the form of Force lightning so he had to absorb the energy, contain it for a large duration of time, and then redirected it across the planet and it was such a magnitude that it was consuming everything in its path and would have destroyed the planet if they didn't abandon it halfway through.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Per TPM, "Jedi arts" is another term for lightsaber combat. Per Lucas, the PT is the "heyday" and "golden age of Jedi."Naturally, it would follow that the Jedi arts must therefore be at their peak.
Where does he say 'jedi arts'?
For the record, I find it hard to believe the PT Jedi are the best of the best. They'd just gotten out of a thousand years of peace and stagnation, their primary opponents are (literally) retarded battledroids and the Force is slanted out of their favor. The reason Dooku is such a dominant combatant is because so few Jedi use Makashi, since Jedi so rarely have to actually fight lightsaber-wielding opponents anymore.
The idea that the PT-era is the best at dueling is simply a confusing concept to grasp and is poorly supported. Especially when other era's have the Jedi fighting millions of saber-wielding Sith.
When Qui-Gon reports to the Jedi Council in TPM, he claims Maul is "well trained in the Jedi arts."
And I know you don't like it, but that's straight from Lucas. And you can justify it that they honed their skills over a thousand uninterrupted years. But even if you can't justify it, it's still there.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
When Qui-Gon reports to the Jedi Council in TPM, he claims Maul is "well trained in the Jedi arts."And I know you don't like it, but that's straight from Lucas. And you can justify it that they honed their skills over a thousand uninterrupted years. But even if you can't justify it, it's still there.
Whats the relevance of that?
No it isn't. You're poorly-thought out interpretation of his words is there, but its no more damning my MY poorly-thought out interpretation.
The fact that the golden age of the Jedi would naturally reflect the height of their techniques and disciplines.
It's not a poorly thought-out interpretation at all. It's an edict straight from Lucas.
You can piss and moan all you like, but there it is. We can just agree to disagree, I'm not interested in you bemoaning the fact no one in heights of LucasArts power gives a shit about Bane and SWTOR.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The fact that the golden age of the Jedi would naturally reflect the height of their techniques and disciplines.It's not a poorly thought-out interpretation at all. It's an edict straight from Lucas.
You can piss and moan all you like, but there it is. We can just agree to disagree, I'm not interested in you bemoaning the fact no one in heights of LucasArts power gives a shit about Bane and SWTOR.
No, whats its relevance to Lucas' quote? You keep pointing out something to do with Jedi arts when Lucas never says that as far as I can tell. What he says is:
'This is the heyday, the golden age, of Jedi. You see Jedi in large battlescenes, you know, battling as a large group and before- we've never seen that before, its always just been a couple of Jedi fighting each other.'
That's his entire speech, copied by myself after re-watching it twice and then copied as he's saying it. Nowhere does he say anything about dueling, or about individual combat. He's just talking about how this is the Jedi Order back when there were loads of them fighting together.
I'm not pissing and moaning, I'm bringing up reasons why its illogical for the PT Jedi to be stellar duelists above every other era. In particular I think the fact that Makashi is so underused because of the absence of lightsaber warfare is damning. It makes no sense for the era to be so highly-advanced in lightsaber combat when the Form specilised for lightsaber combat is neglected..... because theres no lightsaber combat anymore.
Originally posted by Nephthys
and the Force is slanted out of their favor.
This. I find it interesting that the few mentions in PoD of the darkside being weaker because of it being spread too thin among large numbers lead people to refer to the BoD as weaklings and pussies and that they suck etc.. yet those arguments seem to conveniently disappear when it's a matter of the PT Jedi's ability to use the Force being diminished.
I'm perfectly happy submitting that we don't really understand exactly how the larger, cosmic battle between the dark and the light impacts the power individual Jedi and Sith can directly access in combat, that there's no indication given that it does, and leaving it at that. Or, we all agree that they both suck.
I'm not pissing and moaning, I'm bringing up reasons why its illogical for the PT Jedi to be stellar duelists above every other era. In particular I think the fact that Makashi is so underused because of the absence of lightsaber warfare is damning. It makes no sense for the era to be so highly-advanced in lightsaber combat when the Form specilised for lightsaber combat is neglected..... because theres no lightsaber combat anymore.
Nicely put.
Heyday and golden age refer to prime, pinnacle, highest point, etc. As you have pointed out, other eras depict the Jedi with greater number. As Han reminded, there have been other and more peaceful ages.
It stands to reason that, in the prime of the Jedi, the Jedi arts would be at their height.
If you don't accept that, that's fine but I'm not interested in rehashing this.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Furthermore, theres some evidence that Kaan's Sith Order possessed the power of Force Storm, Palpatines variant. Again indicating that they're no weaklings.
Hmm?
Heyday can also refer to success, or any number other other things.
Theres a section on it in the Jedi Path under Advanced Force Techniques, describing its use and saying that its only recently been classified as a Dark Side power due to its potential for abuse, indicating recent use and abuse. The Jedi Path was written about 10 years after the Battle of Ruusan.
"Success"? I wonder in what context the PT order would be an embodiment of success, but it's apparent that, by your own admission, yours is a poorly thought interpretation.
I think it's best we leave it at that.
That has nothing to do with Kaan's brotherhood. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia claims that groups of Jedi were able to create Force storms when banded together.
Yes, I thought of Rivan too. But it is under the Advanced Force Technique section with the author encouraging readers to learn the techniques listed.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
"Success"? I wonder in what context the PT order would be an embodiment of success, but it's apparent that, by your own admission, yours is a poorly thought interpretation.I think it's best we leave it at that.
That has nothing to do with Kaan's brotherhood. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia claims that groups of Jedi were able to create Force storms when banded together.
You said you weren't interested in rehashing this, so I only left a cursory response. I'm not interested in arguing this either. Though obviously I will object if someone uses that accolade to trump a PT combatant.
Oh? Thats interesting. Regardless, it suggests to me that the technique was known and in use at the time. Kaan's brotherhood would also be indicated to not be weak if the Jedi Order they fought made use of such a technique.
Feel free to object all you like. I'm sure your opponents will reciprocate, reducing this conversation to a barrage of no u's.
The futility of the SWTOR camp is again made manifest.
Also not sure how the Jedi using that ability holds any positive reflection for the Brotherhood, since it's not know to have been applied by them in combat against the Sith, but your ability to make superhuman leaps of judgment is uncontested.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So the PT era is referred to as the "hey day" and "golden age" because it's the era in which the jedi are best at fighting in groups?Really, Neph?
As predicted, the SWTOR camp's dishonesty obstructs another potential discussion.
Oh how they'll weep when their opponents display the same wilfull ignorance of the English language and play semantics just as harshly.
It's sad.