Bringing down the averages is an interesting approach to take, as it harms Morrison as well. Final Crisis is a legitimate mess as far as storytelling goes, as it completely falls apart without Superman Beyond. He has a few others that fail to meet expectations as well, such as Joe the Barbarian, Aztek and Wonder Woman Earth One.
Now, I'm not saying that Shooter never misses the mark, but when he does, it's never quite so hard as Morrison. There's also the fact that his run on Magnus covers the ideas of emergence and free will better than anything else I've read in comics. So while I understand you personally prefer Morrison, I'm going to have to declare Shooter as the genuine winner.
Good thread, though. Hopefully we actually get some more discussions, as it could expose us all to a lot of competent writers.
Comparing any of the shounen boys to Morrison is laughable.
Naoki Urasawa might touch Morrison in pure quality but their work is very different. Mangaka usually have longer stints and fewer works though, not an easy comparison.
Shooter is a challenger for sure.
Ellis has 7 works but really doesn't measure up to Morrisons consistency.
Hickman just in Marvel has some good works. Maybe not Morrison level but he definitely crafts a more cohesive story that makes more sense with less holes in it.
Avengers
New Avengers
Fantastic Four
Ultimate Comics
SHIELD
FF
Mojoworld
Marvel should have held onto him like grim death. I think he just left the company completely
I'd be happy with both, but Marvel really needs him more. They should give him a Johns like position. Should. I think Bendis is the Johns of Marvel though, and he can't write anymore.
Anyway, Neil Gaiman is a better writer than Morrison imo. Ignoring his novels and trying not to fill it with his Sandman limited series and assorted one shots. I'm sure others can add in books I haven't read yet.
Sandman
Death
Sandman Overture
Miracleman The Golden Age
The Books of Magic
Superman/Green Lantern Legend of the Green Flame
Black Orchid
I'd be interested to see someone do a best of J.M Dematteis, and a best list of Bendis, and a worst list of Bendis.
Gaiman and Shooter are excellent entries. I tend not to prefer Morrison to some other "greats." His great ideas are, well, great. But there are a handful of Morrison books that you need to read an interview he does explaining it later on to fully appreciate what he was trying to do. Kudos for ambition in those situations, but that's not good writing if you have to fill in relevant details outside the work itself. No doubting his brilliance, I just think he's problematic more often than some writers.
And while we're at it, might as well include Moore in the running, which LoB did mention:
Saga of the Swamp Thing
Batman: The Killing Joke
Watchmen
V for Vendetta
Miracleman
Supreme
Tom Strong
...I'm not an avid Moore follower, but I do like most of the above. The last couple are guesses based on critical acclaim. I may have missed some seminal books.
{edit} Lost my edit window on the above. Meant to say Ellis > Morrison, not Gaiman, though he's my favorite of the bunch overall, so both statements remain valid. All are excellent, though, of course.
Also, you did say Moore's status was "up for grabs" so you were practically begging for a comparison to Morrison.
Do I really need to list books? In unrelated news, he's apparently battling pneumonia atm, and at his age...let's hope this doesn't turn into a tribute thread in the next 48 hours or so.
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i haven't followed this thread but along those lines kirby cannot possibly be left out of any list of the greatest writers. his best could stand up with anyone and the list of his achievements is lonngggg... and gardner fox. hard to measure the impact his ideas had on dc cosmology. the implications of his original flash stories were basically setting the stage for....all the crises that followed.
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