Bleach has boob jokes, but the female characters are presented with plenty of agency and power. Though Orihime being a wallflower once she was kidnapped and not really having anything to do with the resolution, and in general too many female characters being kidnapped, but still, there's multiple female characters with better records than Renji and Chad.
Naruto, you have Sakura caught in 'can't keep up,' and slide from a main character to a secondary (still doing some stuff like identifying the infiltrators and beating NejiZetsu, and saving multiple other character's lives with healing, so not all bad), but on the flip side you have multiple females in the high tier, Tsunade doing very good even when compared to her fellow Kage, Ino who's recently leveled up enough to pull off some major day-saving not once but thrice, Temari who's never lost a fight, Kushina who was instrumental in passing on power to Naruto, Hinata who despite being low-level is show as strong of will and actively driving Naruto forward, and none of the consistently problematic stuff.
One Piece... for a long while it was ok (though there was some stuff like 'every powerful group has one, and only one female member,' and the rather skeezy 'Nami gets molested in the shower' scene), but the attitude towards women has gotten bad. Suddenly Zoro can't attack women either, Sanji's previous chivelric attitude have been flanderized, Taishigi cries on the battlefield and should really be a mom, there's a country full of beautiful women who 'stab men who break their hearts'. What the heck Oda?
It hasn't affected Robin or Nico yet, but I'm worried.
Aura actually successfully convinced me via Skype that Bleach is, from a feminist standpoint, the best of the three.
You forgot to mention the epic moment where she decides to give up and leave the fighting to the guys.
No seriously, One Piece doesn't have a single example nearly that bad. What's worse than Chickification? REchickification.
You forgot to mention the crux of Tsunade's motivations coming down to three male characters, he grandfather, her dead fiancé, and her little brother.
Ino is doing okay as of late sure.
Temari was beaten by Shikamaru. This lie needs to stop persisting. The only reason Temari proceeded through the tournament was because he lacked the stamina to continue, and decided to throw in the towel.
Kushina, hmmm... Well, I could bring up that she hasn't really shown any unique motivations or dialogue that didn't relate to her son or husband, but I could possibly let that slide because she had so little screentime.
Hinata's entire character revolves around a guy, lol.
I wasn't aware that Robin was a guy.
The Yonkou have two men, a woman, and one probable monster, so the ratio isn't too bad there.
Baroque Works had an equal amount of strong men and women by design.
But sure, OP does adhere to the Smurfette Principal often.
And... Naruto doesn't?
One female Genin to any team that matters. One female Jounin sensei. One female Chunin Exam Proctor. One female in the Sound Five. One female in Akatsuki. One female Hawk.
Kind of reminds me of the scene where Rangiku rapes Orihime in the bath.
Or the blatant Hinata fanservice in the sauna, but that one didn't involve girl on girl action so hey.
Zoro doesn't like to cut women, if he can avoid it, but he will use blunt force on them. When was the last time he tried to harm a woman with his sword? Think back. He beat Ms. Monday with a facepalm.
I'm not sure how Sanji's character decay detracts from the manga's portrayal of women but h'okay.
Tashigi is weak. This is true.
Monet, from the most recent arc, was also capable of beating a physically and martially superior opponent (Luffy) through nothing but wits.
I'm not sure how to counter this point because I'm not sure that it is really a detriment towards its portrayal of women.
So Dressrosa has a weird**** culture. So has every island.
It's a knee-jerk reaction based on the most recent arc. Calm down.
One female to any team generally... but the teams are only 4.
Taishigi's worse. Sakura's 'chickification' still leaves her crushing giant centepedes and evil copies of her friends and saving lives. Taishigi's is being told she's too weak to be on the battlefield and that she should go home and be a mom. And Sakura only decided to leave Sasuke to Naruto, not everything.
One female Supernova out of 11 (who is, in fact, the first and only one beaten, which happens almost immediately resulting in her capture). One female shichibukai out of 7. One female level 6 prisoner. One female vice admiral out of however many we've been shown.
Two female Kage out of five. Four known female jincuuriki (two of the latest generation).
The Strawhat crew is the only exception on the OP side, and the female characters get the fewest amount of fights- Nico gets almost no solo fights (I think she's still only had one, back in Skypeia), and neither have gotten a battle post-timeskip.
Yea, someone losing because they're out of juice is still losing.
And she easily killed someone who was beating him later. One Piece doesn't have female characters beating foes who beat male characters like that.
And One Piece has zero examples of female characters beating a major foe like Chiyo/Sakura did Sasori (the *first* Akatsuki kill that happened).
-_-;;
An invisible villain molesting a female character in the shower is much worse than just a fanservice incident.
Because it's a female-focused issue that paints them in a bad light in a wake of problems with female characters?
No, you're simply wrong. It's an issue that's been growing. It was never great in the area, but it's gotten worse.
Tashiga was re-introduced as cutting a canonball in half. She isn't 100% fail all the time.
Personally I think OP is okay when it comes to women. Kuina from Zoro's backstory was a pretty cool character I thought and her thing was all about being a female swordsman. Nami and Robin are also really great characters, theres tons of strong female characters and fighters, there are female marines etc etc. The only bad elements are the titillation aspects, the fanservicey female designs and a few moments of lady-fail. But Bleach does color spreads of the girls dolled up looking sexy and there's a ton fanservice in all 3 comics.
IMO there are good and bad aspects to all 3 manga. But Magi whoops all their asses when it comes to lady characters anyway, so stfu.
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Last edited by Nephthys on Mar 7th, 2013 at 03:05 PM
I dunno, I guess I obsessed over this and made a list:
Bleach.
Good: Tatsuki , Tatsuki punching Ichigo right in his stupid stoic face, Yoruichi and Soi-Fon (though Soi-Fon has been punked quite a bit), Rukia (sometimes >_< ), early Orihime.
Bad: Late Orihime >:[, Yoruichi hurting her hand punching Yammy, all the stupid ****ing damsel in distress storylines, Rangiku's boobs, Harribel, Chad being a main character instead of Tatsuki when Tatsuki is infinitely more awesome.
Also I can't decide if Nel is good or bad. On the one hand her thing is directly talking about misogyny and thats good, but on the other hand she is cheap-shotted by Nnoitra twice and reduced to another damsel needing to rescued.
Naruto.
Good: Sakura early-timeskip, Sakura in the Chunin-arc is alright, Hinata (sometimes), Temari, Tsunade being strong and being Hokage, Mei I guess, Chiyo.
Bad: Tsunade looking young and hot because of fanservice, SAKURA, Hinata (sometimes), Ino post-timeskip, Karin.
One Piece:
Good: Nami, Robin, ViVi, Hancock, Big Mom, Kuina, Dr. Kureha, Shishihoshi, Shishihoshi's mum, the Baroque's Works girls, Kalifa, Nami's mum, Monet (other than when she was beat so easily).
Bad: Tashigi, Sadi, Bonney being beaten.
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Last edited by Nephthys on Mar 7th, 2013 at 03:48 PM
Otohime sh_t stomps the rest of OP as far as awesome female characters go. She's the only one that was actually more awesome than her peers. Best merfolk/fishman character in the story.
Have we actually met a female character who's either the strongest or among the strongest of her group? Besides Otohime, as Bentley mentioned.
Among the Strawhats, Robin is mid-tier, Nami's in the weakling trio. Kalifa was the weakest full CP9 agents. Boa's mid-tier shichibukai. Bonney was the weakest supernova. Most female characters get more support-type powers (soap suds, de-aging, etc.).
Boa's really pulling the heavy weight among female characters- she's not only strong but a front-line fighter type too.
I'll again mention that pre-timeskip the series was doing fine, with problematic bits fewer and farer between.
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Mar 7th, 2013 02:40 AM
, Tatsuki punching Ichigo right in his stupid stoic face, Yoruichi and Soi-Fon (though Soi-Fon has been punked quite a bit), Rukia (sometimes >_< ), early Orihime.
