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Luke Cage was indeed poisoned:

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wow your right, I dont know how I missed that.

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^ A non-fight basically.


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^ A non-fight basically.

yea that pretty much makes it a non fight then. Thats a huge factor.

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yea that pretty much makes it a non fight then. Thats a huge factor.


I dunno I think he was talking about his fight with DD.


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you guys remember when Pre Adamatium vagabond Logan used a wooden sword to take down an extra dimensional giant?

Logan took it down with Pressure Blow Attacks..

in the manifest destiny storyline where logan used his Kraken weak point exploitation skill to take down the mystic Ma brick?

i think there are precedence to accept the probability of such an attack working here especially with the Rogue Feat i mentioned earlier.


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you guys remember when Pre Adamatium vagabond Logan used a wooden sword to take down an extra dimensional giant?

Logan took it down with Pressure Blow Attacks..

in the manifest destiny storyline where logan used his Kraken weak point exploitation skill to take down the mystic Ma brick?

i think there are precedence to accept the probability of such an attack working here especially with the Rogue Feat i mentioned earlier.


Wolverine has pressure point koed Rogue, completely destroyed Rock of the Buddha with a pressure point and gave Captain America a near fatal aneurysm with a pressure point. Few MA's have displayed effective pressure point usage to one shot someone with durability as high as Rogue and even fewer have been able to proven those abilities viable in combat with someone as skilled as Cap.

Even baring pressure points as a legitimate option Wolverine would simply out last Cage 10/10. People vastly underestimate the value of endurance. Wolverine will set the pace of the fight, and Cage won't be able to keep up. There is no conceivable way Cage can conserve enough energy to content with Wolverine for any significant amount of time. After 10 minutes of fending off Wolverine's ferociousness Luke is going to be sapped, after 20 minutes he will be comatose... and Wolverine will be fresh as a daisy. His durability is irrelevant, Cage just doesn't have the athleticism or endurance to compete.


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Wolverine has pressure point koed Rogue, completely destroyed Rock of the Buddha with a pressure point and gave Captain America a near fatal aneurysm with a pressure point. Few MA's have displayed effective pressure point usage to one shot someone with durability as high as Rogue and even fewer have been able to proven those abilities viable in combat with someone as skilled as Cap.

Even baring pressure points as a legitimate option Wolverine would simply out last Cage 10/10. People vastly underestimate the value of endurance. Wolverine will set the pace of the fight, and Cage won't be able to keep up. There is no conceivable way Cage can conserve enough energy to content with Wolverine for any significant amount of time. After 10 minutes of fending off Wolverine's ferociousness Luke is going to be sapped, after 20 minutes he will be comatose... and Wolverine will be fresh as a daisy. His durability is irrelevant, Cage just doesn't have the athleticism or endurance to compete.
i Concur.


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laughing out loud


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laughing out loud


It's true, Wolverine had to fight Omega Red after just waking up from being drugged, and he still fought Red for like 20+ hours. It was X-men#4 or #5. Omega Red's 1st appearance. I could be off on the hours, but it was a crazy amount.

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Cage will lose any contest with Wolverine.

Well, he might win who has given Jessica Jones more orgasms. Might.


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It's true, Wolverine had to fight Omega Red after just waking up from being drugged, and he still fought Red for like 20+ hours. It was X-men#4 or #5. Omega Red's 1st appearance. I could be off on the hours, but it was a crazy amount.
I am aware that Wolverine fought Omega Red for an extended period of time.

I am also aware that feat notwithstanding, Wolverine can still get ktfo. So saying that Wolverine's endurance determines this battle completely 10/10 is too hasty... and laughing out loud-worthy


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I am aware that Wolverine fought Omega Red for an extended period of time.

I am also aware that feat notwithstanding, Wolverine can still get ktfo. So saying that Wolverine's endurance determines this battle completely 10/10 is too hasty... and laughing out loud-worthy

Not sure why thats so funny?

He last around 18 hours of none stop combat against a guy who has pheramones that drain his healing factor, and who has far greater range, speed, reflexes, strength then Luke.


No Luke who can't even fight 18 hours straight is gunna knock him out the majority? I don't think so.

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Not sure why thats so funny?

He last around 18 hours of none stop combat against a guy who has pheramones that drain his healing factor, and who has far greater range, speed, reflexes, strength then Luke.


No Luke who can't even fight 18 hours straight is gunna knock him out the majority? I don't think so.


You ever see one of those MA gauntlets where they fight 10 guys one after another for 15 seconds each? That is only 2 and a half minutes and even then the fighter is completely drained by the tenth guy. The idea that Luke Cage could content with Wolverine's stamina and endurance is insane. Even if Luke had 10x human stamina - which he doesn't - he still wouldn't be able to content with Wolverine's pace in a fight. I really don't think people understand just how much of an advantage endurance can be.


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in my military combat training grappling we called it bull rushing.. i took down 4 in a fast pace gauntlet b4 i was trained lasted about 3 minutes tops.. lifting, twisting and escaping drained me especially moving in beach sand in boots.


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wow your right, I dont know how I missed that.


too many people missed that

i was wondering why there were so many LK haters

his stamina should be superhuman/peak


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too many people missed that

i was wondering why there were so many LK haters

his stamina should be superhuman/peak
why? what evidence states he can has superhuman/peak?

any on panel evidence of a prolong fight?


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Even before the poisoned took affect it was DD's plan to out last Luke. When Cage started showing signs of fatigue DD even said "no surprise there" or something... and then he noticed that Cage was a little too tired.


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Not sure why thats so funny?

He last around 18 hours of none stop combat against a guy who has pheramones that drain his healing factor, and who has far greater range, speed, reflexes, strength then Luke.

No Luke who can't even fight 18 hours straight is gunna knock him out the majority? I don't think so.
False dichotomy.

Wolverne has lost in fights that haven't lasted 18 hours or involved death spores.

Any absolutist suggestions that Wolverine wins/loses based completely on his endurance being superior to his opponents are laughing out loud-worthy.


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how often does logan lose to vastly inferior opponents from his norm showing?

Luke is neither superhumanly strong as his average opponents nor superiorly skilled..

Logan losing to less then luke is often rare and far between to consider it a likely outcome here with Luke as the norm.


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If Wolverine loses against Spider-man he has lost against less than Luke shifty


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