If you're going to jump into a discussion I'm having with Philosophia, then have the courtesy to actually join the ACTUAL TOPIC. If all you're going to bring are some poorly executed attempts at instignating me, then I suggest you simply stay out.
As I've told Philosophia several times, I am commenting the claims that Joker should have been number 1.
I jumped into the discussion and added commentary that was completely appropriate and relevant, citing issues and events that Joker has participated in and things he's accomplished.
I wasn't instigating you at all, you got childish in frustration on your own.
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When you both told me to shut the **** up, and called me a stupid ass, and acted generally belligerent while I was discussing comics and events relevant to the topic. . .you think I should apologize?
Please.
The mods can see it for themselves.
But, I'll run along somewhere else for a while, you've already derailed this thread enough for me to not care.
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Seriously man, I've called you on your bullshit. I suggest you give it up now. Making up things, constantly calling me childish, twisting feats into something they are not and being overall condescending. Thin ice son, thin ice.
Yes, Lex like you said before, represents all humans. He is what were are if we let out jealousy, and other stuff get the best of us. He
He did things that were very big in scale. Besides that, he was always the opposite of Batman. Even in the movies, he did somethings that most people could only dream of. He is just that good.
Maybe im wrong but giving Joker the credit for killing Alex is taking the complete and utter 100% piss. I dont think theres really anything to understand you just seem to be trying to twist logic around to justify something which isnt a big deal at all.
Well were talking about comics not movies. I think Joker is overated.
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Downplay it all you like, Joker got into a universe-spanning event, and killed the main bad-guy.
That's major, in and of itself.
Perfectly relatable to a thread like this, when you ask what types of things has a character done.
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Ermm the point is that Lex could have done it himself. In fact both of them simply waited for him to be depowered and then waited for the right moment, its something that alot of other villains could have done. Your blowing things out of proportion.
That quote isnt really that relevant to me except the first line you seem to not understand how killing Alex is NOT a big deal at all. However hes not really more impressive than alot of other villains if were talkling about things hes done.
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No, you're not understanding. I'll repeat- It's WHO did it, not would COULD have. Alexander Luthor, a major baddies story, ended [so far, as they can always come back] in that alley with Joker. Sure, Black Adam could have slapped him into a piece of modern art with a casual backhand at that point, but it was Joker that accomplished it. It's not about power, it's about significance. Why do you think people are siding with guys like Lex and Joker at all? Their mark, their symbolism, and significance.
Depends on your viewpoint and context of impressive. Joker is an impressive villain. His mark on the world and the heros that inhabit it, physically and psychologically tell us so.
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This.. doesn't make any sense. You're ignoring what he did in Emperor Joker because what he did was with Mxy's powerset and not his ? Do you expect a street-level character like the Joker to one-shot Universes under his own power ? Or perhaps you want him to go on a 'Joker quest' in trying to gain an artifact of great power ? And there weren't any lasting changes because they took advantage of the loophole (Batman) and with the help of Spectre and Mxy everything was repaired. This, and Superman taking the traumatizing memories from Batman which concerned what happened during that period, with Bruce being repeatedly killed.
He went to the comissioner's house, shot his daughter, kidnapped him, stripped him naked and chained him, then took him for a ride and showed him pictures of his naked, bleeding, crying daughter just to drive him insane, to prove a point. And you're oversimplifying it by saying "there are people in real life who would do this shit".
"In then end, I don't see what's impressive about almost convincing people to kill someone." Jesus. It's not just any guy, it's Batman, and the point is that he has produced so much damage to Batman's life that he was ready to kill him when he found out that he killed another person from his life. Batman, who is probably the most strict superhero when it comes to taking a life.
You admited that he is great character wise. It has been proven that not only does he have great acomplishments on a street/personal level, but on a global (Joker: The Last Laugh) and even DCU-level (Emperor Joker). You acknowledge them or not, it's the same thing to me. He is a great villain and in my, and many people's view, the greatest. It's a matter of taste and honestly, I've got better things to do than to convince you that Joker is better than other villains, which can't happen anyway since you already made up your mind.
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It's completely up to opinion anyways. People gravitate towards whoever they personally connect with on some level, and I don't think debating will really change any of that.
That's why I was merely countering points, rather than offering up my own favorite character for presentation and try to debate to make people feel they should like him the most too.
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Also, as I stated way back on page 1, MAGNETO IS NOT A PURE VILLAIN. He's a well intentioned extremist. His "evil" is entirely debatable. At times, he's even switched to being a good guy or repenting his acts.
Hence, why someone like Lex, Joker, Darkseid, Sinestro, Red Skull, or even Green Goblin is a superior pick.
Lucifer is NOT a villain.
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Juntai and Kris, you're both going to have to cool it. Anything further from either of you will result in a warning.
I also don't appreciate the backseat moderating, telling other what they should and shouldn't be posting, or making demands. This is in addition to the curses and insults, and is just as punishable.
And Kris, he disagreed with you and wasn't trying to be friendly, but neither were his comments an insult. You were the first to resort to swearing and insults. You're going to have to learn to take the high road in such situations, and be able to make the distinction between disagreement and an attack. That doesn't mean he didn't antagonize you once it started, which is why you're both being warned, but it certainly wouldn't have escalated without your reaction.
If you have further concerns, PM me. Any post in response to this in this thread will be treated harshly.
I'm fairly certain Lex Luthor saved the day in Last Son of Krypton. Just like Darkseid helped out against Imperiex.
Yup, Lex is the man. What they wrote about him on IGN made it seem like they were talking about Doctor Sivana or some mad scientist. Which Lex sort of is, he just deviates from the stereotype in a reall awesome way.
I'll take that to heart.
I'm not going to continue this, but there's a reason why I'm not considering Thanos for the top spots.
Stop addressing me like I absolutely loathe Joker. I don't hate him, I don't dislike him, I don't even think he's average. I love the joker, but for some reason he MUST be the top dog? Get the feeling that if I had said "The Joker is great, but someone else is top in my mind" instead of "Yes, that's okay, but I'm not as impressed by that storyline and that" Get off it already.
You don't need to recap the events of EVERY story where he did something impressive. I know what happened in the killing joke, I KNOW. We've heard about how he shot Batgirl freaking 20 times already, let the feat lie.
It's fair to say that in the comics for the most part Joker has become tame. He's become too familiar, but at his core he's a top 10 comic book villain.
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