You act as though Whitebeard is only capable of large-scale destruction. He can fire his quakes from range, and they do no real damage until they hit you. And he can literally just punch you, and cause the quake there.
Random giant? Sure. Vice-admiral? Debateable, each Vice-Admiral is very proficient with Haki. But that is irrelevant. You were bringing up Blackbeard as if Whitebeard not killing him was a low showing. Blackbeard, same guy who took all of Ace's attacks without much trouble, keep in mind that he took Ace's attacks while using the Yami Yami no mi, which makes him MORE vulnerable to damage. Blackbeard is one of the most durable characters in the series, him surviving does not mean Priscilla will.
How? Considering he was not killed by Akainu's assault, who has one of the highest power outputs in One Piece, how will Priscilla do so? Internal damage does not matter, being blown to pieces does.
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If you care to know, Whitebeard is the strongest character in One Piece.
Most claymore are not even as physically strong as Luffy....... In the East Blue.
But, Whitebeard is still tougher. He was literally wading through Akainu's magma at one point in the battle of Marineford, before effortlessly puffing it out.
Yeah, she could prolly take out Blueno. Lucci? Eh. Kinda doubting it.
Whitebeard is far, far more powerful. It really bothers me that I show Whitebeard effortlessly rocking an island and beyond, and no one even addresses it. His every movement was destroying the island, along with his foes. He with single quakes instantaneously destroyed those gigantic icebergs, each larger than Marineford itself. Whitebeard was even able to stop Kizaru when he was in light form, proving he is faster than Priscilla too, in reactions if nothing else.
Haki would still be very effective in knocking Priscilla out IMO. Along with that his quakes would make it difficult for Priscilla to get near him. Then again she does have extendable digits that could hit Whitebeard.
Edit: Nemebro: despite Whitebeards durability feats, he died from getting stabbed and shot . Unless I missed something, that kind of contradicts everything Whitebeard tanked, leaving me to believe that Priscilla could at very least hurt him.
I know Whitebeard has ranged quake attacks too but Priscilla isn't that much of a slouch when flying in the air. Plus she's dealt with missing sizeable portions of her body so there is some chance of regenerating from than I believe.
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Still not impressed with Priscilla granted shes pretty much faster than any current Claymore the .5 kilo distance gap gives Whitebeard enough time to either make the very ground shift get her off balance or straight up air pressure punch her to bits thats if she starts off on the ground and in character i figure she starts on the ground
I don't even know what it's about anymore, but Teresa doesn't know Quick Blade. Even if she does, which she don't, she doesn't use it against Priscilla.
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It's simple: Theresa used speed that was comparable to Quick Blade and with ease.
Priscilla used speed that had Theresa actually "trying" and was comparable Quick Blade in appearance in sound, as well, EXCEPT it was far more powerful and cause the whole town to experience a significant earthquake while they exchange blows.
Priscilla's blade techniques >>>>>>>>>>Irene's.
Speed is comparable but the power is nowhere even close.
Why does this matter, though, as Priscilla is in a form that is far superior to her Claymore form...?
Hence why I'm mostly using Abyssal Ones or near-Abyssals as examples. Isley and Dauf and so on. It takes groups of Claymore with single digits to take down individual normal Awakens after all, and Abyssals can casually solo 30 above average ones.
Your average Claymore can't scratch Dauf, and even most single-digits have trouble doing more than annoy him. Yet Priscilla makes Dauf, awakened Beth and Alicia (in her human form no less), and the even-tougher Isley practically evaporated from her attacks.
We've yet to actually see anyone tank an attack from her, not even the most made-of-iron people in Claymore.
Lucci's a fairly sure lose against her I would think, few of his attacks will do much (they'll inflict damage but most wouldn't cause the kind of massive wounds Whitebeard could, making them ignorable) and his tekkai wouldn't help for too long, I would think.
Well, here's the thing. Haki increases the damage of an attack and prevents shapeshifters and those of unusual body types from ignoring it, but it doesn't affect her type of defense, namely healing after the damage is dealt, in the slightest.
She'll either dodge attacks, or lose limbs, organs, maybe even be cut in half, but that won't actually take her out. Not if it's done a half dozen times in a row, she'll just keep coming.
I have no doubt he'll be dishing out massive damage, but it'll be a battle of attrition between him take actual damage, and her just drawing on her well of regen power to repair wounds no matter how heinous.
Priscilla actually having a chance to beat Whitebeard; I made an actual debate and not a spite thread?; strongest OP character vs strongest Claymore character?
Haki could still knock Priscilla out with a Haki burst. She's doesn't have the most stable of wills in a sense. I am still find it a tad difficult that Priscilla will get blow to bits with just one quake punch if she doesn't evade it outright. Whitebeard can keep her at bay with ranged attacks and that's what gives him an advantage: not as much as his strength but still pretty decent advantage over Priscilla.
It was making a semblance between Whitebeard and Priscilla. Just the sword blows, alone, BEFORE she awakened, was enough to cause a quake in the whole town she was fighting in. And it was a violent quake: tearing shit up and causing people to fall down.
The difference in power between a Claymore and an Awakened Being is exponential. They send out a team of four: at least a single digit and no one less than rank 30, just to take down a single awakened being: most of which are not single digit.
Multiple single digits were nothing against an Abyssal one.
This should more than prove that there is an exponential jump into "awakened being" status.
I will rephrase. Luffy in East Blue is physically stronger than most Abyssal Ones. Being able to hurl that gigantic seacow miles, being able to fight Arlong, whose hobby is lifting and throwing houses, equally, Luffy even in East Blue was physically a monster, and he was already in the mach-speed ranges there as well, being able to intercept bullets from hundreds of meters away and being able to react to Kuro. Keep in mind, this is Luffy, IN EAST BLUE. Current Luffy is kicking the shit out of gigantic Kraken without any trouble, and effortlessly destroying Pacifista.
That's pretty cool. Only Whitebeard's casual displays of power output make every Claymore character look trivial in comparison. His durability also has been shown to be greater as well, taking the magma punch in the face from Akainu, which evaporated the giant, near-island sized iceberg instantaneously, as well as threatening much of the pirates in the area, which is to say all of Marineford. And Whitebeard was also wading through Akainu's magma while briefly fighting him, not even counting when Whitebeard absolutely crushed Akainu after he killed Ace.
That would matter if they were as durable as Whitebeard.
No dude. I forget the name, but the attack that is basically a Reject Dial, WOULD kill her, it would implode her brain were it to hit. Granted, would not bother arguing Lucci against Priscilla, so will drop it.
You are forgetting one important aspect of Haki, something I admittedly forgot as well.
Precog. Haki provides signifigant precog abilities, depending on the skill of the user. Luffy was shown to be able to effortlessly avoid the lightspeed attacks of a Pacifista using it, Priscilla's speed is useless, not that it is that much superior to Whitebeard's to begin with.
How about being blown to pieces, with almost nothing resembling her former body left? Considering Whitebeard's massive power output, that is more than possible.
Or being killed by one Quake.
I don't think she has hardly any chance at all. One Piece is a signifigantly more powerful verse than Claymore. Shit, a few sufficiently powerful Logias, could effortlessly solo the series, but that is not fair. So even not counting Logias, it is still stronger.
Eh. I dislike using Royal Haki as an argument, to be honest. It's kind of a cheap tactic. Whitebeard effortlessly shattered two island sized icebergs with quake punches instantaneously. People need to stop ignoring that.
Oh. K.
That's cool and all, but in the context of this thread, utterly irrelevant. Whitebeard's quake powers are far greater, and if you want to use force of blows, Whitebeard and Shankes clashing, with non-Quake blows, split all the clouds in the sky.
Don't ruin this for me! I vote 7/10 for Whitebeard
10/10 for close range: no-brainer when you think about it actually.
Hey, if Whitebeard can take Akainu's magma attack but dies from gettin shot/stabbed, I still think Priscilla can harm him. She did resist a life-draining yoki blob after all. That gives me an idea for another thread.
I'n not ignoring the destructive power of Whitebeard's quakes(well maybe a little) but Priscilla can regenerate from anything that's not a headshot pretty fast. Her speed also appears to be enough to at least keep Whitebeard occupied with finding her location: unless his quakes are omni-directional I forget.
P.S: Luffy can take on Pacifistas by himself now? Sorry I haven't read anything past the time-skip so I'm lacking on my One Piece knowledge. Luffy can use his Haki potently now too?
He can use the haki shield to attack, he used it against a Pacifista and yeah, even Zoro/Sanji were one-shotting Pacifistas now. It's safe to assume Whitebeard would oneshot them too...
When she's not in child mode she has a very strong will.
Mach-speed homing arrows almost the size of a person didn't do much to Luciela, she had to be worn down by them over an extended period, and she could also defect them pretty easily.
Also, piercing steel armor is trivial for Abyssals, not-so for the East Blue saga OP characters. Priscilla specifically goes a lot further, she can casually, with one hand, rip heads or torsos off foes who are far, far tougher than Steel themselves.
Speed wise, Abyssals can pull off movements similar to Kuro's as well (Rigaldo moved too fast to see, and Isley's even faster, and he's probably not the fastest of the Abyssals).
They might not go for as overt strength feats as throwing things, but they have highly powerful concentrated attacks and strong abilities. Lifting/throwing strength vs much more concentrated power in other words.
A fight between two Abyssals can utterly destroy a landscape for miles around in a way no East Blue saga fight could come close to. I don't think Axe-Hand, Buggy, Kuro, Krieg, and Arlong working together could even make an Abyssal fight seriously in a battle.
Stronger OP stuff could stomp them, but I think you're underestimating the level of the abyssal level awakeneds.
No, hit her in most places and it'd blast a hole in her, then she'd heal it.
Past a certain point, more power doesn't equal more damage. Soft + Regen can survive where pure toughness doesn't.
Think of Priscilla like a self-healing marshmellow. She stands a chance entirely because she doesn't rely on toughness.
I mean, she is highly tough as well being an Awakened, but that's not the source of her survival.
Haki gives warning but it hardly cancels out speed entirely, as the Boa sisters learned. Getting out of the way of a lightspeed attack isn't particularly harder than any other attack, it's just moving out of the way of a strait line.
Also, reading what your opponent is going to do is a standard ability for Claymore too, and she got Teresa, the best of it, with her pure speed. So yea, she should be able to handle it.
Considering the style of damage he's inflicted on others, I don't see why it would. His attacks don't obliterate their targets like that.
On the whole, yes. However, there's also a wider range of power levels in Claymore. Five Claymore are about equal to one normal Awakened one. An Abyssal One is stronger than 30 normal Awakeneds.
Priscilla utterly stomps Abyssals to the point she does not even have to transform into her awakened mode in order to kill two Abyssals at the same time while acting calm about it.
Not really. There's an exponential growth between a fighting claymore and an awakened being...even more so for a single digit.
Now, the difference in power between an abyssal one and an awakened being is also exponential: many awakened beings are nothing to an abyssal one.
No, Priscilla, after she hadn't fed for several years (in her most weakened form, basically), abyssal ones seemed like "nothing" to her.
So, trace back to the beginning against two high ranked Claymores whose blade exchanges, alone, caused a whole town to experience an earthquake. Then "grow" exponentially and we have an awakened being. Grow exponentially from that, and we have an abyssal one. Grow significantly beyond that, we have the weakest version of priscilla.
Power level is definitely over 9000 for Priscilla.
What I see is the fight ending in far less than fractions of a second as Priscilla does not do any of that filler villain talk shite.
An important thing to keep in mind is that Priscilla could solo the rest of Claymore easily, with only one other known thing being able to put up so much as a fight (the Statue).
Whitebeard's tough and skilled enough (and does have the haki warning thing) I don't see that happening.
Two things, he was only stabbed by very strong individuals, who were capable of stabbing him, and even then it took an incredible amount of punishment to take him down. Second, guns in One Piece>>>RL guns, by a good margin.
Whitebeard does not attack one part of the body. He attacks the whole thing. Stop ignoring that. Finding her location? The man is able to keep track and react to ****ers like Kizaru, who is faster than Priscilla, and was able to effortlessly stop one of Mihawk's sword blasts instantly, which are not only very fast, but capable of cutting one of those giant icebergs in half instantaneously. Shit, even Zoro was capable of dodging multiple blasts from Kuma BEFORE the timeskip, which are well into the hypersonic range.
Luffy can one-shot Pacifistas. So can Zoro and Sanji.
Luciela is an Abyssal One. I was talking about characters in the East Blue.
Once again, East Blue. And it was not long after leaving it, that Zoro became capable of cutting through steel regularly. Hell, how about another good feat from Zoro? Remember Skypiea? With the giant ass beanstalk? Remember when Zoro was easily cutting large chunks of it out at a time? Now do you remember how the giant ass snake, hundreds of feet long, could barely budge it, AFTER Zoro already weakened it? It took a Reject Dial to replicate Zoro's damage, and this is a weaker Zoro.
Kuro is an East Blue character. Luffy was able to react to Kuro's Shakushi back then. Kuro became a slug in comparison to CP9, his Shakushi being stated to be as fast as basic Soru, only he had less control over it. Luffy surpassed that kind of movement speed when he learned Soru, and the Gears amplify that. So Luffy, despite being a class 100 hypersonic fighter, was still almost IRRELEVANT in the battle of Marineford. That was what that served to show, that Luffy still had a long way to go. Whitebeard was the strongest person there.
More concentrated? Whitebeard can concentrate an Earthquake to a single person. He can concentrate attacks if he so chooses.
Sorry, that was actually a typo. Meant Luffy was physically stronger than most Awakened Ones, Luffy in East Blue could not defeat an Abyssal, yes, that is true.
Stronger OP stuff could solo Claymore as a series. Including Priscilla. Granted, that is largely because of broken, destructive Logias like Enel, Akainu, Kizaru, and the like, but still.
That is merely one way to use the attack. When he concentrates the Quake to a hypocenter, usually his fist or the blade of his bisento, and strikes with it. That kind of force would blow Priscilla in half, and despite her regeneration, it will not be quick enough to save her from the following attack. Whitebeard needs to do very little to make quakes, his every movement can cause them, and he can use it both defensively to intercept foes or attacks, or obviously offensively. He can even passively create shockwaves around his body to better protect himself.
It may as well, when the speed difference is either not that great, does not exist at all, or is in fact opposite of what you believe it to be. Whitebeard is fast enough to appear behind Akainu without him noticing before it is too late, and casually reacts to attacks from Mihawk, Kizaru, Aokiji, and Akainu.
You mean when Priscilla cheap shot her after Teresa got done kicking her ass? And IIRC, wasn't Priscilla especially hard for Teresa to track?
OP characters are pretty durable then, considering how he obliterated those island sized icebergs.
Greater variety? Seriously? Let's compare two marines. Say, Axe-Hand Morgan, to Akainu. Akainu is hundreds of times more powerful than Axe-Hand. Akainu then proceeded to get wrecked by Whitebeard. Power varies alot in OP.
It's kinda funny how someone can type so much without really saying anything.
You have provided nothing but a series of estimations, and nothing substantial.
Whitebeard can kill Priscilla in one attack, and Priscilla is not fast enough to stop him.
While Whitebeard cannot solo the whole of OP, it being much larger, there are OP characters who could solo Claymore, Priscilla included. No one in Claymore has his power output, raw durability and endurance, strength, and even their speed is no issue.
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