Yes, but not one you seem to know a whole lot about.
Pedophilia is not wanting to have sex with children who are under the legal age of constent, but a sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. When you say that people who are attracted to 17 years suffer from pedophilia you're not just displaying cultural ignorance, but a general ignorance in that particular field...
Okay.
Does it affect his status as a possible prophet?
Pedophilia doesn't say anything about someone in regards to capabilities, etc. Only that they suffer from that particular mental disorder.
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Wait, age makes all the difference for a developing child.
He could take in a child that would be an outcast, and care for it, but a normal man would not want to have sex with that child.
I’m glad for that?
Okay.
A child cannot give consent.
Her? Do you mean him?
The question was would I follow a pedophile. The answer is no. Today, I would report the person, but 2,000 years ago, I would have tried to kill the pedophile rather then follow them. I was giving you the depth of my answer.
Sure, but it doesn't necessarily comes with enough critical thinking to allow consent.
Again, after a while the kid would feel dishonored and just kill herself. Yay!
He cannot mean it. Children didn't exist conceptually back in the day.
Again, if the person in question was the saviour of all things you love, you would report her and wouldn't care that everything burns. That's beyond destructive.
I'm making it a her because women can rape children too
So it seems.
Well, as long as you don't kill people is not a big deal.
Keeping your loved one from killing herself sort of is.
Eh, that's an entirely different beast. One thing is understanding the past and a very different thing is emulating the past. The Prophet cannot really do anything about the latter, is not a sin on his head.
This is sad. But at least you're brave I guess, doing the wrong thing on the open because you feel like you have to.
I think is weird considering how you judge people on history. But we humans have a contradictory nature.
Not particularly. It's obviously a problem when soldiers come back from the front traumatized and that cities have been razed.
I think any decent human would feel bad for kiilling people even when they deem it necessary.
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I don’t think that is realistic.
Like I said, no one is going back in time to arrest Muhamad. It puts into question the judgment of Allah for picking such a prophet. Fortunately, it is all fiction anyways.
I don’t understand way the reporting the rape of a child would be sad, or the wrong thing. I think you have it backwards.
I don’t judge people of history. I never judged Muhamad. I simply asked a question. Perhaps the facts are the judge, and you are mistaken.
That's how many dynasties worked back in the day. It was insulting not to mate with one of your wives, it could be seeing as degrading and hateful. Suicide was a very realistic outcome judging by history.
Marriage wasn't about love after all.
Allah could pick people who did wrong things. If there is an entity such as Allah, it'd be hard to discern his motivations.
If by reporting the rape of a child you impeded someone from achieving something that would ultimately save your civilization, you are on the wrong. I'm talking about there being a lesser evil.
I can be mistaken, but I'm actually defending a rather tame thesis. I don't think we can just assume an action is evil on itself -there are things that arguably come close-. Evil is relative to the options available and the possible conséquences. Looking back in time and placing blame in people is very self-righteous, specially if you consider yourself justified in killing people because of a particular action.
It can apply and it has applied in history. That's your recently invented notion of infancy speaking for you.
Arguably a 9 year old doesn't marry for love.
To be fair, my personal knowledge of ancient times is limited, that's why I don't have a clear cut opinion in the subject.
Do you realize there are people in governments that have to make this kind of call all the time? They ally themselves with people that have done much worse than raping and taking care of a child for life. They don't know better, but they are responsible for their actions.
So I don't think is contrived at all, we can make proposterous what if scenarios all we want, this is just a discussion. If you have the personal conviction that everything would be for the better, would you do it? Would you accept that there is much worse than pedophilia? That there is a greater good?
The people you bring up are there to prevent killing, are in risk of being killed themselves and are trained for it. Again, I'm not the one who claims something is good or bad in the absolute, you're the one essentially saying "pédophiles should die, I would kill them myself".
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You are getting confused. We are talking about 2,000 years ago, and today.
Today I would report a pedophile, but 2,000 years ago in the fictional story you created for me, I would have killed the man. Now you are saying I want to kill the man today. Do you see how you are confused?
I see that you argue in a pretty flimsy matter about timelines, since earlier you said you cared about the now and not about the past. Governments also made sacrifices for the greater good 2000 ago... It doesn't matter.
So today in my fictional timeline you would report a crime even if it doomed many lives?
So 2000 years ago in my fictional timeline you would kill a man if it doomed many lives?
I mean it literaly doesn't matter at all for my argument. Are you dancing around it on propose?
It is widely accepted in Islam that Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6-7 and consummated the marriage when she was 9(some sources say 10, more say 9) and he was in his early 50's.
So yes, we do know for all intents and purposes that Muhammad had sex with a child, as it makes no sense for the majority of Islam to go with this age considering all the stigma behind it, instead of the minority who claim she was 18 or older.
You can even google and find Islamic religious leaders speaking on the manner, just look for subtitled ones, unless you read Arabic and/or Farsi
Well, that's interesting, because she stayed at her parents house for 3-4 years before living with Muhammad. Aisha married at 9, not 7. Also, you're argument is just like murder. Didn't Europeans kill other Europeans during the 15th-16th century? Doesn't the world find that wrong today? So really, what argument is their.
Also, it was impossible for Muslims to rule the land that was 'claimed' by them, or so the history textbook's say. How many Muslims of Saudi Arabia were their, comparing that to Africa, Asia, and Spain? The Muslims of those lands followed Islams because they believed that Islam was true.
So, we can both say that Muhammad married Aisha at 9, yet it is a fact, from multiple sources at that time, that Muhammad waited until she was 12-13 until he allowed her to stay with him. She lived with her parents. That was really all to it. You can argue what you like, but this is fact, not speculation.
You're talking to a Muslim about your own personal opinions and beliefs. I would leave them alone, if they weren't so offensive and hateful and direly inaccurate.
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Not all killing is murder, but yes, I do point out to Christians that the early Church has blood on its hand. I treat everyone fairly.
There is nothing about Islam in my statements. I was just asking about pedophilia sense the information that has been given to me by other Muslims was that Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl.
Can you link any sources for this information? This would, if true, change my opinion.
I was just asking questions that I never seem to get an appropriate answer to.
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I was told that Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl. I know very little about Islam, and when I ask about this issue all I get is insults. This make me suspicious that first it is true, and seconds that it maybe still allowed.
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