__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
And his lightning was also dodged by a fodder semi-force sensitive old man named Hetton
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Savage is a powerful combatant but mediocre lightsaber duelist at best. His main attributes are his physical strength, powerful tk, and the ability to tank punches and kicks. This is demonstrated in almost all of his fights.
These quotes r a little early in his training but they give a good base.
Obi wan- " This is the work of a reckless, impulsive animal"
Dooku- "u have no technique." "Sloppy"
Fights-
Master Halsey- savage uses his strength to crush his arm until he drops his lightsaber, then tanks his physical blows and beats him down while hes unarmed.
Obi-wan & Anakin- They pin him down, but he over powers them, throws them off, then drops a hover platform on them and flees.
Dooku- takes savage 7 swings to even connect once with dookus lightsaber, then when it does it overpowers dooku and he gets sent flying, then he gets zapped by dooku a bunch of times, turns on ventress, flails around for a bit missing more swings, finally connects and sends ventress flying, then tk's dooku.
Ventress- Savage tanks a few kicks to the face, a palm strike, another kick then slams ventresses head into a box disarming her. Then he grabs her leg and throws her accross the room. Savage proceeds to land some punches but is unable to strike her down with his saber, even though shes unarmed. She gets a saber from kenobi, and it cuts to maul vs kenobi.
Adi galia- savage tanks a leg kick, tk's her into a wall then impales her with his horns.
Kenobi out numbered- Savage did nothing but get kicked 7 times, 6 of them in the same leg then got his arm cut off.
Plo Koon- Tore off his mask.
Tatsu- probably his only victory thru sheer lightsaber skill. Unfortunately it was against a noob padawn, after he pissed savage off by calling him a coward, and got his hand cut off for it. Not really a master level skill performance.
Maul- oddly enough against the one person he fought that he doesnt have a massive strength/power advantage over, he gets disarmed and put down in less than 5 seconds. Weird huh.
Im seeing alot of physical/force overpowering and damage soak, but not much in pure skill.
I'm guessing you missed the part where Bane has no comparable showings, and highlighting the forms he knows doesn't mean he is a better duelist than Savage. You can breakdown his performances all you want, but as Bane has never beaten anyone without a nexus, amp, or Orbalisks apart from Sirak, your point is moot.
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Yeah, the Fodd'ari of legend loses yet another match.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
No one thus far has been able to actually show that Bane has better showings, so much as attack the tangential issue of Savage's lack of refinement. Which would be good if you're opponent had objectively better showings, Bane simply has no superior showings by virtue of his own skill:
Bane lost to Fohargh, lost to Sirak once and killed him, and only fought evenly with Darth Zannah who has only beaten a half-trained failed Jedi Set Harth. He only beat the Tython strike team with a nexus amp/orbalisks, and never beat any duelist comparable to Plo Koon or even Adi Gallia
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
He also got stomped by Sithspawn on Korriban in POD, and also got stomped by the orbalisks on Dxun lol
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Last edited by carthage on Nov 15th, 2014 at 07:46 AM
Subjective opinions mean little, this was Savage with barely any training, and Dooku said similar stuff about Grievous whilst watching him sparring. He even said to himself that Grievous was "hopeless", when, evidently he isn't.
You're missing the part where Savage caught his sword arm and disarmed him using a pretty common wrist pressure point, and the part where he dodged Hasley's blows and then beat him down with his axe. That was actually a decent showing of agility and skill and anyone with functioning eyeballs should hopefully be able to attest to this.
This wasn't even a dueling scenario lmao, Savage was tasked with capturing one of the little flying dinosaur dudes. He had no reason to be fighting them.
You don't have to be "mediocre at best" to be outclassed by Dooku in terms of raw skill.
First off, both Savage and Maul received kicks to the face from both Kenobi and Ventress, so unless you want to group Maul along in your little downplay-fest, this is a moot point. Next, Savage actually dodged the palm strike, tanked one kick, dodged another blow and then pushed Ventress over the crate, disarming her. That was a good showing of martial arts skill for Savage. Your argument about her being unarmed and Savage failing to kill her kind of falls short when you consider shit like Ventress failing to kill Kenobi while he was unarmed and taunting her as if the whole duel was casual. For story purposes, characters who are disarmed pretty much never die. They do some cool dodging bullshit then regain a saber, 99% of the time.
I think we're forgetting about the prolonged, even duel they had prior to this which had nothing to do with durability, physical stats or Force power. Sure, Savage won through durability and TK, but his skill carried him through the majority of the duel itself.
This partly due to Kenobi surprising both brothers with an unorthodox, uber-offensive fighting form, and the fact the area was extremely cramped not allowing Savage to move around. Plus Maul has been kicked by Kenobi during duels a ridiculous number of times for someone who is meant to be a master of something like a dozen martial arts so it's really no slight against Savage.
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Are you forgetting the extensive duel they had prior to this? The one where Savage had to contend with clone whilst dueling Plo simultaneously? There are panels where Savage is literally fighting Plo and dodging blaster bolts at the same time. Savage even landed a kick to boot. This fight actually shits all over your parade, I find it funny you even tried to mention it as a way of demonstrating Savage's lack of skill.
Maul used a wrist pressure point, and a pair of enchanted metal legs which have snapped Jedi bones and killed Jedi in single strikes, to subdue Savage, two things everyone listed here lacks, and this was Savage with minimal training.
Savage obviously isn't entirely based on skill, nobody is saying that. He's a mixture of strength and skill. His durability also helps him in some situations, and he takes advantage of his TK at certain moments. But a lot of you mother****ers act like he just runs in, breaks peoples wrists with one swing, tanks 90 punches and then blows the place up with TK, every fight. It's borderline short bus material.
i think ur getting a little obsessed with bane. I never mentioned him nor did i say he was a superior duelist to savage. (He is but thats beside the point). I was simply highlighting the poor logic being used to say that Savage is a highly skilled duelist. Then like usual u go on a rant about bane. Whats up with that?
The post was made in reference to earlier terrible posts by Neph. None of your points addressed how "poor of a duelist" Savage was anyway, so much as showcase your own nitpickings on why you thought he was- all of which were promptly rebutted by I like swords. This post is about Bane vs. the Maul brothers, so referencing deficiencies in Savage's form, yet not bringing up comparable showings for the person that's being argued for isn't adding anything new to the discussion.
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
so i cant discuss savages saber skills if i dont talk about bane in the same post? Thats weird because in ur response u went on about bane but didnt mention the brothers. Does that mean u didnt add anything new to the discussion also?
Also ils didnt rebut much, most of its excuses for lack of skill and things without context, which ill get to tomorrow because its late, but an example would be his first point where he compares dookus comments on grievous. Hes right he did say those things, but he left out the context that dooku was comparing grievous with some of the best swordsmen ever, and he didnt measure up to them. With savage he was simply saying hes sloppy as a duelist, not sloppy compared to mace or someone.
If u cant see the difference between the 2 comparisons there is probably no point in going any further with this tomorrow.
Last edited by Raptor22 on Nov 15th, 2014 at 08:47 AM
I dont think, that Bane is inferior to level 8 duelists. I would place him around them, actually. But still, Maul alone should be able to beat Bane. They're about equals. With Savage on Maul's side, it's completly one-sided. Bros takes 10 out of 10.
Of course Grievous measured up to them, he measured up to Mace himself for a kick off, defeated Ventress, has plentiful accolades which would denote him qualifying as "some of the best swordsmen ever", ect. Grievous has challenged Dooku legitimately in sparring matches in the past, and that's with Dooku having the advantage of being his trainer and controlling what he is allowed to learn. The comparison is absolutely valid, therefore Dooku's subjective commentary on his apprentices means jack in comparison to the results they achieve.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Nov 15th, 2014 05:33 AM
