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They know that a lot of people find it disrespectful, that is one of the main reasons they're doing it. of course, most will never admit it as they want to maintain the illusion of the moral high ground.


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Like if you think Donald Trump is as bad as you claim then you have to be seriously ****ing deluded to think the Democratic party and mainstream media aren't in any way responsible for the fact that he managed to get elected.

The complete lack of self-awareness of those who think doubling down on the strategy the democrats and left-wing media were trying when managed to lose to Trump is honestly pretty baffling.


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Let me get this straight, I morally and logically disapprove of them kneeling, but I think they have and should have every legal right to do so, and I don't think it's a remote equivalent with Nazi confederate shit. In this instance, do you consider me retarded?
Yeah, you morally and logically disapproving of them kneeling to the extent that you consider them "retarded" does imply to me that you're a stupid retard my friend. It helps that most of your other actions imply as much to me as well. thumb up

Having such strong feelings about something like this does paint you as stupid. thumb up thumb up


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How do you logically disapprove of someone kneeling? Like what does that even mean? Like you have some science behind your view or something?


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I guess he logically disapproves of doing it as a form of protest. Which, don't get me wrong, is fine, but to take such a vitriolic stance against them is retarded. thumb up

That said, I actually misremembered. Emperordmb didn't say that both were retarded, conflating the two, he just said the latter is childish and pathetic, with the former being worse. It was Silent Master who said both are retarded. So Emperordmb is at best slightly retarded, as opposed to Silent Master who is a mouth-breathing simpleton. thumb up


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How do you logically disapprove of someone kneeling? Like what does that even mean? Like you have some science behind your view or something?


TBF, some people complain here at any kind of protest if they can spin any sort of "leftism" or "liberalism" or "them Dems" into it.

Be it from the violent kind of protest people should complain about(breaking/burning/beating), to the loud but peaceful kind (2017 women's march), to the peaceful and quit kind (NFL kneelers).

Should also be noted that this country was founded by protestors; ergo protesting can be said a very American thing to do smile


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Instead of digging their heels in the sand and remaining utterly convinced that it's the attitude of the American people that's the problem,
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More Americans vote for democrats than republicans tho
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Which one is more traitorous
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Yeah, you morally and logically disapproving of them kneeling to the extent that you consider them "retarded" does imply to me that you're a stupid retard my friend. It helps that most of your other actions imply as much to me as well. thumb up

Having such strong feelings about something like this does paint you as stupid. thumb up thumb up
DMB needs to meditate some more yeah...


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Um, no. If you do not bring the message to the people who need to hear it, then the only people that are going to listen to it, are the people who already agree with you.
You can still bring the message (eg, street protests get plenty of coverage), just choose (imo) wiser times or places. Maximum exposure does not necessarily mean optimum exposure. Some times/places can have the opposite effect: hardening the opposition. I'm looking at this not from a justice pov, but from a practical one. You don't just want to be heard, you want to be thoughtfully considered.

Again, I defend their actions and grok their objective (for what it's worth, I believe, eg, that the freedom our flag represents should give me the right to burn a piece of dyed cloth), but I question the efficiency of the execution. The consequences of one's actions may not always be what you want, ie, inflaming, not engaging.


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Are you just posting this to be funny, or do you believe this silly bullshit? Serious question lol. You think the choices are either: burn down a city, or whine about some shit during a sports game or a play?

How about : you not burn down a city. How about you *peacefully* protest on your own time? Why is that wrong to suggest? Do not give me bullshit about how it gets attention, they already now have more than enough, and of course the attention isn't even focused on the issues the kneeling originally all began for, but shhh logic has no place here.

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How do you logically disapprove of someone kneeling? Like what does that even mean? Like you have some science behind your view or something?


Is there a science behind disapproving of statues or the names of buildings? Before you respond: hurt feelings are not science.


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How do you logically disapprove of someone kneeling? Like what does that even mean? Like you have some science behind your view or something?

It means I think that it's a very impractical way for them to actually get support for their message, ergo it doesn't make logical sense to do.

Mindship described it pretty well here:
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You can still bring the message (eg, street protests get plenty of coverage), just choose (imo) wiser times or places. Maximum exposure does not necessarily mean optimum exposure. Some times/places can have the opposite effect: hardening the opposition. I'm looking at this not from a justice pov, but from a practical one. You don't just want to be heard, you want to be thoughtfully considered.

Again, I defend their actions and grok their objective (for what it's worth, I believe, eg, that the freedom our flag represents should give me the right to burn a piece of dyed cloth), but I question the efficiency of the execution. The consequences of one's actions may not always be what you want, ie, inflaming, not engaging.


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I guess he logically disapproves of doing it as a form of protest. Which, don't get me wrong, is fine, but to take such a vitriolic stance against them is retarded. thumb up

I'm moreso interested in the debate itself rather than being particularly emotionally invested in who does and doesn't kneel, because I do find it an interesting topic of discussion, but it's not something I'll lose sleep over.


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TBF, some people complain here at any kind of protest if they can spin any sort of "leftism" or "liberalism" or "them Dems" into it.

Be it from the violent kind of protest people should complain about(breaking/burning/beating), to the loud but peaceful kind (2017 women's march), to the peaceful and quit kind (NFL kneelers).

Should also be noted that this country was founded by protestors; ergo protesting can be said a very American thing to do smile

I mean as far as the women's march went, I disagree with the implication that women are somehow not the equals of men in American society and need some special protest, but aside from that, the women's march (with the exception of the people who were blocking traffic and got arrested for it) should be a model example for how these types of protests should be conducted.


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The right to protest doesn't mean you cannot morally disagree with people who are peacefully protesting, it just means that you have to uphold the stance that they should have the legal right to peacefully protest.

And there is a difference in reaction. Nobody thinks the non-peaceful and peaceful protests are the same thing. When polled prior to the Trump NFL shit most Americans both agreed that the kneeling during the anthem was disrespectful, but also that the players should have the right to do so, and I don't see anything reprehensible about this position.

With violent rioting and shit from BLM and Antifa, people completely disagree with it on a moral and legal level and want a police crackdown on this shit.

Most people who morally disagree with the peaceful protesting do believe that these people should have the right to do so even if they disagree, and anyone who actually thinks the government should crack down on peaceful protesting is holding an unconstitutional immoral and unethical view that I don't support, and I don't think anyone who disagrees with this kneeling would support either.


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Tim Tebow fired for taking a knee to pray.

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Tim Tebow fired for taking a knee to pray.

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Didn't the media mock him too?


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Tebow was fired now? Thought he left the NFL because of lukewarm performance and he wanted to give Baseball a shot.


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