Gladiator also chocked her with one hand, and she was with her arms free to fight back. Apocalypse restrained her body for a moment, dont letting her move or make much strengh. Anyway, i think it was possible more because his size than his pure strengh.
Sure, but he can use this in some moment of the fight, and it could him a opening to a sequence of attacks.
Apocalypse could teleport to avoid the attack but how he will see him? Gladiator can watch from very far - a galaxy away, and he will cover this distance in a very short time. He could attack Apolypse back for example. In a non PIS scenario, i think that is very hard for the mutant to see this attack coming.
But his "superiority" is only based because this strike and this fight. If you take this fight off, you have very few to argue that he is stronger, or even at same level of Gladiator. If you take of this fight, you have him struggling against guys who are low heralds (or lower) in phisical terms.
Also, he was portrayed stronger than the young Thor, not the regular Thor. Regular Thor destroyed Genesis without any effort.
Sure. But i was trying to show that he can do more than "little damage" with this kind of attack.
I think you are trying to say that even if Gladiator use this attack, this dont do more than a little harm in someone like Heimdall. My point is: a regular punch is stronger than a assault like that? A attack much faster than light, flying over a entire galaxy, in maybe less than one second? This make no sense. It only did little damage to Heimdall because the circumstances. I dont know if Gladiator slowed down, or if he just dont aim for the center of Heimdall body. But i dont think is reasonable to think that this kind of attack is weaker than punches, like the punch he used to defeat Vulcan. Do you think?
Well, this fight was very fast. Gladiator defeated him in instants after he refused to surrender. Sure, he take some damage from a magical sword, but he kinda owned him after that. I think Apocalypse could take blood from Gladiator too.
Ok, but did he tanked something on pair with Gladiator eyes blasts? This could damage him.
You can't say "more because his size than his pure strength", since "size" is not the "thing" applying the pressure, that "thing" is the "strength". You could say that he gets 'stronger' with size, but he seemed just as strong when he was 'normal' size in their first encounter where he nearly shattered his spine, and nothing's stopping him from increasing in size here, either.
Also, it's easier to put pressure on the neck and KO somebody unconscious, than to immobilize their entire body -- with one hand.
The combatants don't start a Galaxy away, so Apocalypse would see him just fine.
Go over the forum rules, please.
No, his superiority is based on two fights - under two different writers - against two different Thors, both separately, and together.
It is rather conclusive that Apocalypse is stronger.
Genesis is, also, not Apocalypse. And Thor used the axe against him.
Against weak people, sure.
Can you provide proof against somebody on Apocalypse's level?
All you've showed up until now is Gladiator trying this against Heimdall, failing, and then going in an off-panel fight that he won, but bloodied him.
It doesn't ring of confidence in this tactic, I might say.
You used Gladiator bullrushing as a tactic.
It didn't work, on Heimdall.
You're not even giving me concrete opinion on why you think it didn't work on Heimdall. Or instances where it worked, for it to matter, against somebody on this level.
I'm trying to understand your position on why you think it would work on Apocalypse. You have to give me something.
If Gladiator would have defeated him in instants, his costume wouldn't be torn and he'd be bleeding.
It was a fight.
As I said, be careful what you use, or it might backfire.
I haven't even started on Gladiator's less flattering showings.
Would you be willing to take a bet that they're much lower than Apocalypse's?
Who says he needs to tank them?
He could shapeshift or teleport out of their way, if he doesn't want to get hit. Or shield himself from them. Plenty of options.
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