Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

wolverine busted out of being bound completely in chains...he has more than a good chance of breaking out of spiderman's cocoon before it hardens.....here's the thing I was saying though.....wolverine is fast as hell....he has more than a good shot at dodging the webbing by using his surroundings hiding behind stuff.....basically stalking spiderman, which wolverine is very adept at. why would spiderman be the only one to use the surroundings to his advantage? Wolverine's had to do similar sunts like this before, before he was given his adamantium. I'n my opinion it would physically drain spiderman too much...it would either exhaust him, or his supply, or both....eventually wolverine will take advantage of that and go after him....even with the old webshooters spiderman ran the risk of running out of the stuff.....against wolverine, spiderman has already admittedly claimed that wolverine could kill him if given one second....it takes longer than a second to replenish a webshooter.... and speaking of getting who on whos terms of fighting....this should be simple....wolverine grabs a citizen and puts his fist to their head....spiderman's now playing into wolverine's game.

GOD THAT HURTS!!! wow thats nothing fo any damage.

The best way to beat wolvie is to use weak char. that way they get a boost like wolvie usually does. while wolverine fights without all of his abilities.

Anyone who thinks spidey can do nothing to wolvie thinks he wins 10/10 times, and those are posts not to be taken seriously, seriously, CAP poses a great threat to logan, if he does spidey does.

no one said spiderman didn't pose a threat...he poses a huge threat to wolverine....it's just in terms of who edges who out..in my opinion and marvel's opinion it comes down to wolverine.....

Originally posted by Creshosk
How can spidey dodge the punch with wolverine on top of him?

You do realize - I hope - that Spider-Man can throw a tank away ? He lifts buses, and subways, and so on.

Wolverine sitting on Spider-Man, and making Spider-Man helpless, is a tiny little bit out of character of Wolverine, wouldn't you think so ?

But I forgot that Wolverine is the most inconsistent Marvel character ever... that will probably explain it.

Or are you also one of the "It happened, so it HAS to be canon"-people ? If so => Spider-Man > Firelord > Wolverine.

Your choice.

spiderman plus blown up building, plus blown up gas station, plus underestimation of spidey > firelord

it that's how we're gonna play though..... wolverine > nuke > spiderman

anyways that pic is taken out of context......spiderman was physically wearing down he was losing strength speed and power while wolvie remained as fresh as a daisy...wolverine tackled him and punched him in he face....like cresh said it was one fluid movement....spiderman decided to use it to his advantage and try and kill wolverine from the drawn in position he was at.......it doesn't mean he was helpless BECAUSE wolverine was on top of him....we're just saying wolverine had the advantage by the end...spiderman THOUGHT he did...but he didn't...the altered pics show that in great detail.....anyways I think it's interesting that you used to think this was such a well done comic book battle...that it was "awesome" at the beginning of this thread when you thought that it was spiderman who was on top by the end of it...but after a closer inspection and reviewing what actually happened in the fight....now it's total crap...🙄

Originally posted by who?-kid
Hmm hmm hmm

You do realize - I hope - that Spider-Man can throw a tank away ? He lifts buses, and subways, and so on.

Wolverine sitting on Spider-Man, and making Spider-Man helpless, is a tiny little bit out of character of Wolverine, wouldn't you think so ?

But I forgot that Wolverine is the most inconsistent Marvel character ever... that will probably explain it.

Or are you also one of the "It happened, so it HAS to be canon"-people ? If so => Spider-Man > Firelord > Wolverine.

Your choice.

Originally posted by jinzin
like cresh said it was one fluid movement

Jinzin read them. . . but you have those selective abilities that in your own mond gives spiderman the edge that in the real world marvel has given to wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
anyways I think it's interesting that you used to think this was such a well done comic book battle...that it was "awesome" at the beginning of this thread when you thought that it was spiderman who was on top by the end of it...but after a closer inspection and reviewing what actually happened in the fight....now it's total crap...

Because it was revelead that spiderman was being written as less than a god.

But that just goes to show that "crap writing" is a matter of opinion. As obviously his opinion of the fight has changed. 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine busted out of being bound completely in chains...he has more than a good chance of breaking out of spiderman's cocoon before it hardens.....here's the thing I was saying though.....wolverine is fast as hell....he has more than a good shot at dodging the webbing by using his surroundings hiding behind stuff.....basically stalking spiderman, which wolverine is very adept at. why would spiderman be the only one to use the surroundings to his advantage? Wolverine's had to do similar sunts like this before, before he was given his adamantium. I'n my opinion it would physically drain spiderman too much...it would either exhaust him, or his supply, or both....eventually wolverine will take advantage of that and go after him....even with the old webshooters spiderman ran the risk of running out of the stuff.....against wolverine, spiderman has already admittedly claimed that wolverine could kill him if given one second....it takes longer than a second to replenish a webshooter.... and speaking of getting who on whos terms of fighting....this should be simple....wolverine grabs a citizen and puts his fist to their head....spiderman's now playing into wolverine's game.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Somebody wrote earlier that the chains that he busted out of were weakened by something....

Wolverine is said to have strength alittle bit greater than human due to the adamantium. . . Human capacity is actually much higher than we gave these characters credit for

http://www.heavysports.com/emag/curtdennis/recordbreakers.html

The 2500 Club

And last but not least, there also has been someone who been trying to do the best total of all time. For a long while, powerlifters here in the US has been trying to break the 2500 barrier that powerlifters in Germany and elsewhere has been making....until now. Up do date, Ed Coan was the only lifter to total out in the upper 2400s. Garry Frank, last year, squatted 1003, benched 738 and deadlifted 859 (missed 903) to finish out with an amazing 2601.

He previously broke the 2500 barrier and then does 2530 thereafter and before he did 2601, so he broke this barrier three times. He competes in the superheavyweight class at powerlifting meets but this was amazing still. Then before the end of 2001, Frank does it again squatting 1008, benching 733, and deadlifting 865 totaling out an amazing 2606 making it the fourth time breaking the barrier and record. People say and I agree...Frank has the power to hit 2700 this year or the next, but stay tuned!!!

Now if cap is really "peak human" then he should be able to lift that much at least.

And wolverine is supposed to be up there as well. so he should be able to, since a human being is capable of lifting that much.

http://www.efunda.com/materials/alloys/carbon_steels/show_carbon.cfm?ID=AISI_1040&prop=uts&Page_Title=Carbon%20Steel%20AISI%2010xx

And that's what it takes to break steel.

Also since Wolverines a hero Spidey wouldn't believe that he would kill an innocent. He'd say "kill him." and if wolverine did he would hype Spider-man up enough to strike faster than he could counter, cocoon him while he's still reeling ,and suffocate him.

Wolverine CAN'T bust out of a lot of webbing. He ripped out of a bit of it but that's quite understandable. You could see the consistency of it clearly and he is fast. Not all webbing attacks are that wet looking.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Also since Wolverines a hero Spidey wouldn't believe that he would kill an innocent. He'd say "kill him." and if wolverine did he would hype Spider-man up enough to strike faster than he could counter, cocoon him while he's still reeling ,and suffocate him.

Wolverine CAN'T bust out of a lot of webbing. He ripped out of a bit of it but that's quite understandable. You could see the consistency of it clearly and he is fast. Not all webbing attacks are that wet looking.

Originally posted by jinzin
no one said spiderman didn't pose a threat...he poses a huge threat to wolverine....it's just in terms of who edges who out..in my opinion and marvel's opinion it comes down to wolverine.....

thank you jinzin for being honest, but it was said that spidey can do nothing to wolverine ANYMORE(there's that "a'' word again.)

The only shot wolverine will defeat "which requires offense" is to get a critical shot on him with those claws, when the claws come out, Spidey takes it up a notch as well. Dodging better moving faster, ACCURATELY, he should always be at least two steps ahead of a wolverine, and even more ahead of an animalistic beserk one.

Being beserk is great, but it does have side effects as well as benefits. In this mode Wolverine would be able to greater ward off damage from spidey, which makes much better sense, moves faster, and fights harder than any Peak Human has the right to. HE doesn't think and fights on instinct, which can make it harder to counter, but easier to plan ahead of one who attacks will nilly.

He feels pain quite well at the time, but seriously,( immune to spidey's punches to where they have no effect), not so sure, if you think of it much of wolverines time is spent unconscious or nursing wounds.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
thank you jinzin for being honest, but it was said that spidey can do nothing to wolverine ANYMORE(there's that "a'' word again.)

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
The only shot wolverine will defeat "which requires offense" is to get a critical shot on him with those claws, when the claws come out, Spidey takes it up a notch as well. Dodging better moving faster, ACCURATELY, he should always be at least two steps ahead of a wolverine, and even more ahead of an animalistic beserk one.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Being beserk is great, but it does have side effects as well as benefits. In this mode Wolverine would be able to greater ward off damage from spidey, which makes much better sense, moves faster, and fights harder than any Peak Human has the right to. HE doesn't think and fights on instinct, which can make it harder to counter, but easier to plan ahead of one who attacks will nilly.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He feels pain quite well at the time, but seriously,( immune to spidey's punches to where they have no effect), not so sure, if you think of it much of wolverines time is spent unconscious or nursing wounds.

OUCH GOD THAT HURTS!!!

Marvel can't have an opinion about a idea in a match, read again, wolverine would only keep spidey down with a critical strike, and that is best accomplished with his claws.PEriod and of course he will be using those, and spidey will take it up a notch.

All things are opinions, I'm trying to put it on an even level not too far out there, i'm sorry. 🙁

ONe hit from spidey,was an accident, another when he was trying to get info from one that wasn't aggressive yet, some were lucky shots, and if wolverine does worse against punches dd and cap than from spidey, this is a downhill battle then, since it goes against basic sense.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Marvel can't have an opinion about a idea in a match,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
read again, wolverine would only keep spidey down with a critical strike, and that is best accomplished with his claws.PEriod and of course he will be using those, and spidey will take it up a notch.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
All things are opinions, I'm trying to put it on an even level not too far out there, i'm sorry. 🙁

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
ONe hit from spidey,was an accident, another when he was trying to get info from one that wasn't aggressive yet, some were lucky shots, and if wolverine does worse against punches dd and cap than from spidey, this is a downhill battle then, since it goes against basic sense.

Wolverine does just fine against spiderman's punches.

I think most people forget wolverines origins.I always here people complain about how wolverine has been made too powerful in recent years,but remember,Wolverine's first apperance was against The Hulk.
That was before anyone even knew anything about Wolverine either.That being said,is it too far fetched to say he could take spider man?

No you misunderstand they cant have a direct opinion on an idea by another

leads to what? I don't see anything in your sig?

Exactly, confines of Peak human, Superhuman, webbing, and abilities that will be used in this particular matchup. 😉

Yea I wouldn't want to bring them into this matchup as he does shine against multiple opponents, when he puts it into high gear and leaves the others behind.

Wolvie will do fine if spidey punches him,once.

Ya know seeing him do fine against guys like spidey,and Namor, but then take it not so well from characters from nightcrawler and obviously weaker ones, brings in that notion,of character handicaps in a match to keep it interesting, and I know you know what I mean by this, even if you don't agree with most of what I posted.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I still think you underestimate wolverine's speed, why wouldn't he be able to dodge a "glop" of web fluid if he can dodge spiderman's physical attacks?

The thing is Spiderman's superiority to wolverine in speed is comparative to his superiority to him in strength. If wolverine can lift a ton Spider-man is lifting 10 x that much and performing EVERY OTHER BASIC FEAT OF STRENGTH WITH 10X THE POWER! UH OH.... 😮

That means that if Wolverine can destroy a mans ribs with an unpulled basic punch ( and he can) Spider-man can do it with 10x the force. (probably alot like catching a tank round without an explosion)

10x10= 100 So if Wolverines most untamed, claws out, punch is coming in at a 10 Spiderman's is coming out at 80..... Due to the lack of training. 🙄

Are comics censored? If Spider-man can hit 10x harder than the peak human who can punch at least as well as Peter parker, the answer is a given. Of course.
😕
If not wolverine is made of something other than flesh, regardless of how durable his bones are. And he can lift at least enough to give his muscles a logical explanation for being anywear near that tough. He maxes at what? Does anybody know?

If Spider-man can bench ten tons a clumsy punch CAN liquify things tougher than flesh. It may tear all the SKIN off his hands but the muscle underneath is as hard as titanium.-edit-: hard enough to bend it at least A full strength swat from Spider- man will make Wolverine hit the ground hard enough to bounce and he could bounce him if he felt. How Wolverine can be compared to Spider-man when he's pinned helpless under things Spider-man can handle with no effort. Like the difference between a 4 year old's strength to an adult's

If the child maxes out at 20 pounds and the adult maxes out at 200.
The peak humans lift 2000 lbs and Spider-man's maxing 20,000 lbs at 18.
Isn't it far more likely for Spider-man to tackle Wolverine and overpower him? He crushes him in strength. Moreso than Cap compared to a 13 year old Bruce Lee (comparing strength only).

Who wants to look up the meaning of manhandle? 😆

The drama that I spoke of before is the very idea that someone could be this strong and not make flesh displace! Are the people of 616 made of something other than flesh and blood? (please let's not get sarcastic)

And for the last time Spider-man is a self made MASTER of using his web-fluid!
Anyone want to put a number on the different ways he's used his web?

How many different ways can wolverine use his claws?

If you gave the punisher Spidey's strength, speed, and agility he could lace all the skin off of Wolverines bones with enough ammo, and never allow Wolverine to close in. His aim IS that good. Spidey started his career with an aim that equaled the Punisher's eagle eye. (He has guaged the trajectory of the hitman's bullet and used IT to destroy a target on the vultures back!) Spider-man is a veteran now.

When Spider-man is already Wolverines master in strength by leaps and bounds giving him a weapon that is MADE for incapacitation and used for transportation, dooms wolverine in a fight with no censoring.

You wolverine fans know about censoring because without it Spider-man could have been stabbed as your pictures showed.

Without making Spider-man weaker than someone who can lift ten tons and making Wolverine a 3 ton lifter DRAMATICS keep Spiderman from humiliating wolverine the same way he did years ago. If everyone elses powers were negated wolverine was still a mutant with claws, skills, and a healing factor.

So what if his pictures look sweet as hell? It doesn't change what he can and can't do.

If Marvel wants to make Spider-man appear to be as strong as whoever he's fighting that's fine with me. The fact of the matter is that his strength IS established at far far far far far far far far above wolverine's. I wrote a far for every DOUBLE in raw power.

I think all of the Spidey fans' desire for the use of "realistic" logic is really just a plea for people who won't consider the obvious to "GET REAL!"
( no offence intended )
pimp

Spiderman gave Wolverine his hardest punch and Wolverine only laughed.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No you misunderstand they cant have a direct opinion on an idea by another

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
leads to what? I don't see anything in your sig?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Exactly, confines of Peak human, Superhuman, webbing, and abilities that will be used in this particular matchup. 😉

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yea I wouldn't want to bring them into this matchup as he does shine against multiple opponents, when he puts it into high gear and leaves the others behind.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolvie will do fine if spidey punches him,once.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Ya know seeing him do fine against guys like spidey,and Namor, but then take it not so well from characters from nightcrawler and obviously weaker ones, brings in that notion,of character handicaps in a match to keep it interesting, and I know you know what I mean by this, even if you don't agree with most of what I posted.

So you want to handicap wolverine and have him fighting weaker than normal, and spiderman fighting at his best. How is that

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I'm trying to put it on an even level not too far out there

You have made that an outright lie. You are trying nothing of the sort.

Originally posted by The MISTER
The thing is Spiderman's superiority to wolverine in speed is comparative to his superiority to him in strength. If wolverine can lift a ton Spider-man is lifting 10 x that much and performing EVERY OTHER BASIC FEAT OF STRENGTH WITH 10X THE POWER! UH OH.... 😮

That means that if Wolverine can destroy a mans ribs with an unpulled basic punch ( and he can) Spider-man can do it with 10x the force. (probably alot like catching a tank round without an explosion)

10x10= 100 So if Wolverines most untamed, claws out, punch is coming in at a 10 Spiderman's is coming out at 80..... Due to the lack of training. 🙄

Are comics censored? If Spider-man can hit 10x harder than the peak human who can punch at least as well as Peter parker, the answer is a given. Of course.
😕
If not wolverine is made of something other than flesh, regardless of how durable his bones are. And he can lift at least enough to give his muscles a logical explanation for being anywear near that tough. He maxes at what? Does anybody know?

If Spider-man can bench ten tons a clumsy punch CAN liquify things tougher than flesh. It may tear all the SKIN off his hands but the muscle underneath is as hard as titanium. A full strength swat from Spider- man will make Wolverine hit the ground hard enough to bounce and he could bounce him if he felt. How Wolverine can be compared to Spider-man when he's pinned helpless under things Spider-man can handle with no effort. Like the difference between a 4 year old's strength to an adult's

If the child maxes out at 20 pounds and the adult maxes out at 200.
The peak humans lift 2000 lbs and Spider-man's maxing 20,000 lbs at 18.
Isn't it far more likely for Spider-man to tackle Wolverine and overpower him? He crushes him in strength. Moreso than Cap compared to a 13 year old Bruce Lee (comparing strength only).

Who wants to look up the meaning of manhandle? 😆

The drama that I spoke of before is the very idea that someone could be this strong and not make flesh displace! Are the people of 616 made of something other than flesh and blood? (please let's not get sarcastic)

And for the last time Spider-man is a self made MASTER of using his web-fluid!
Anyone want to put a number on the different ways he's used his web?

How many different ways can wolverine use his claws?

If you gave the punisher Spidey's strength, speed, and agility he could lace all the skin off of Wolverines bones with enough ammo, and never allow Wolverine to close in. His aim IS that good. Spidey started his career with an aim that equaled the Punisher's eagle eye. (He has guaged the trajectory of the hitman's bullet and used IT to destroy a target on the vultures back!) Spider-man is a veteran now.

When Spider-man is already Wolverines master in strength by leaps and bounds giving him a weapon that is MADE for incapacitation and used for transportation, dooms wolverine in a fight with no censoring.

You wolverine fans know about censoring because without it Spider-man could have been stabbed as your pictures showed.

Without making Spider-man weaker than someone who can lift ten tons and making Wolverine a 3 ton lifter DRAMATICS keep Spiderman from humiliating wolverine the same way he did years ago. If everyone elses powers were negated wolverine was still a mutant with claws, skills, and a healing factor.

So what if his pictures look sweet as hell? It doesn't change what he can and can't do.

If Marvel wants to make Spider-man appear to be as strong as whoever he's fighting that's fine with me. The fact of the matter is that his strength IS established at far far far far far far far far above wolverine's. I wrote a far for every DOUBLE in raw power.

I think all of the Spidey fans' desire for the use of "realistic" logic is really just a plea for people who won't consider the obvious to "GET REAL!"
( no offence intended )
pimp

Oh and censoring? They didn't censor the blood when wolverine actually stabbed spiderman.

And we already know that Spiderman is stronger than wolverine. So what?