Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Spiderman gave Wolverine his hardest punch and Wolverine only laughed.

Spiderman was wailing away on Wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]spiderman plus blown up building, plus blown up gas station, plus underestimation of spidey > firelord

it that's how we're gonna play though..... wolverine > nuke > spiderman

You are a little bit off with the comparison operators jinzin..lets try this one..

spidey>firelord>nuke>wolverine..I think that looks about right..😆

Question for any rabid Wolverine fanboys...since all history is canon..please explain to me how in the hell would Wolverine ever be able to defeat firelord?

Give me some well thought out scenarios...

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Spiderman gave Wolverine his hardest punch and Wolverine only laughed.

I'm laughing because that must mean Spider-man can't lift 4 tons much less 10.

And he doesn't have to punch him like a boxer. That tackle move reversed is easier for Spidey than wolverine and Wolverine would be helpless to keep him from holding him. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Strength doesn't matter all the time but when it's a staggering difference then it becomes a moot point. Spider-man can manhandle Wolverine if he gets a hold of him. Being faster and just as manueverable wolverines chances of preventing him from putting him in an uncompromising position are lower than Spidey's

Oh yeah did I mention that the webbing is a LOT stronger than chains?
Why are people acting like they are unfamiliar with it? Get real.

pimp

Originally posted by Creshosk
Way to dodge the question. . .

Oh and censoring? They didn't censor the blood when wolverine actually stabbed spiderman.

And we already know that Spiderman is stronger than wolverine. So what?

The question was sarcastic because you know that the webbing doesn't pour out like syrup. It's more versatile than a garden hose nozzle and covers more distance. And he has two.

You also dodged some good questions.....mainly the ones that doom wolverine.

😆 😮‍💨 pimp

Originally posted by The MISTER
I'm laughing because that must mean Spider-man can't lift 4 tons much less 10.

And he doesn't have to punch him like a boxer. That tackle move reversed is easier for Spidey than wolverine and Wolverine would be helpless to keep him from holding him. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Strength doesn't matter all the time but when it's a staggering difference then it becomes a moot point. Spider-man can manhandle Wolverine if he gets a hold of him. Being faster and just as manueverable wolverines chances of preventing him from putting him in an uncompromising position are lower than Spidey's

Originally posted by The MISTER
Oh yeah did I mention that the webbing is a LOT stronger than chains?
Why are people acting like they are unfamiliar with it? Get real.

pimp

Originally posted by mr.smiley
I think most people forget wolverines origins.I always here people complain about how wolverine has been made too powerful in recent years,but remember,Wolverine's first apperance was against The Hulk.
That was before anyone even knew anything about Wolverine either.That being said,is it too far fetched to say he could take spider man?

I'm sorry jinzin, I know you're going to dismiss all I say from here on but mr.smiley's post here makes me realize why some people don't like the argument of bad writing. Truth be told that's all some characters are. Please tell me how a character that is advanced human strength with blades supposed to be a hulk enemy?

The creation of wolverine:

Marvel: We need a character like Batman!
Writer: How do you mean?

Marvel:You know... A gritty invincible regular guy!
Writer: That's too much like him!

Marvel:Well let's make him even tougher than Batman!
Writer:How is that possible!?

Marvel:Let's make him a mutant and give him unbreakable bones!
Writer😮K who should he fight?

Marvel:The strongest guy we got!
Writer: The Hulk? I thought you wanted him to be regular? Even with unbreakable bones his insides would get pulped!

Marvel: Well give him a healing ability or somethin, but don't make him much stronger than Batman!
Writer: But that doesn't make any sense! How will he challenge the hulk?

Marvel:I know! we'll give him some claws and call him uhhh...Wolverine!
Like Batman mixed with Taz! A real tough guy!
Writer: That sounds cool but he'll have to be at least 1/4 Hulks strength or it won't make sense.

Marvel: It doesn't have to make sense! It's just a comic!
Writer: But I thought..... oh well..

And the most ridiculous hulk opponent was born. Marvels weakest insanely powerful character.

I'm a wolverine fan myself but I won't pretend that someone on his level of strength can hang with Hulk or Spider-man.

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Originally posted by The MISTER
The question was sarcastic

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735842

Originally posted by The MISTER
because you know that the webbing doesn't pour out like syrup. It's more versatile than a garden hose nozzle and covers more distance. And he has two.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735842

Originally posted by The MISTER
You also dodged some good questions.....mainly the ones that doom wolverine.

😆 😮‍💨 pimp

Originally posted by The MISTER
I'm a wolverine fan myself

I'm not sure why though. . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
And yet, spiderman getting on top of him and pounding away on him with all he had. . . didn't really do anything.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735835

Either he's just used to holding back or it doesn't make sense. You don't have to be playing favorites to say something doesn't make sense. And it doesn't make any more sense than Wolverine knocking Lobo down or being created to fight the hulk.

It's cool but there is no explanation logical or otherwise for wolverines durability going beyond his bones. It's just accepted and presumed despite being contradictory to the STRENGTH/POWER that the character has available.

Don't be upset but Wolverine's character contradicts itself by performing
feats that someone his strength could not. He would struggle to lift a geo
But he knocks down Spiderman and Lobo with brute strength?

Get Real.

(real mad)

😆 pimp

Originally posted by The MISTER
Either he's just used to holding back or it doesn't make sense. You don't have to be playing favorites to say something doesn't make sense. And it doesn't make any more sense than Wolverine knocking Lobo down or being created to fight the hulk.

It's cool but there is no explanation logical or otherwise for wolverines durability going beyond his bones. It's just accepted and presumed despite being contradictory to the STRENGTH/POWER that the character has available.

Don't be upset but Wolverine's character contradicts itself by performing
feats that someone his strength could not. He would struggle to lift a geo
But he knocks down Spiderman and Lobo with brute strength?

Get Real.

(real mad)

😆 pimp

Or are you going to pull a straw and start humping the hell out of the concept of "I don't like it so it didn't happen."

I'm sorry if you can't accept the way that marvel has portrayed it's own characters, and I'm sorry that just like a fanboy you feel like taking your faveorite character to levels way beyond the way that marvel has them.

spiderman is like what 140 pounds......160 at best maybe....knocking him down wouldn't be that difficult for a character that's slightly above peak human levels with expert training in fighting ability....wolverine knocked him down not out....so it makes sense...... why is spiderman's inability to knock wolverine out nonsensical? I mean stronger characters can't do it so why would spiderman....and please remember we've already made a solid arguement or two against real world logic....

What I find interesting is thus: now that all the advantages lie on our side such as stats, feats, and quotes... I asked what was left to debate...you guy answered.....so NOW what we're basically dealing with is an attack against the character of wolverine for not making sense.......lol sorry guys but compared to a kid who got spider powers from a radioactive spider bite....ummmm 🙄 lol

also MISTER spiderman has strength that is a god 15 to 20x logan, however his speed is nowhere near as fast as you made it seem....he has a 12% advantage over logan...I've already explained what makes spidey APPEAR faster is his precog...but he's not nearly as fast as you claimed...that and he's gonna be getting slower first due to issues of stamina...wolverine has more plain and simple...

who kid.....did you just claim that spidey was over a nuke? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA keep the faith 🙄

Originally posted by Creshosk
You know what? That bias I noticed before is coming back. And that feel's like an outright lie.

I'm not sure why though. . .

It's because as tight as Wolverine is he's not superior to Spider-man in one on one combat with Spider-man today despite the many photo's that you have. The proof is in the pudding and you should already know that I've noticed all that you've ignored. You're too skilled a debator to rebut with "so what" unless you're getting annoyed. If you can't explain why Wolverine would win today without showing many pictures of past events that are as questionable as the secret wars battle that you loathe, then you are on the verge of resorting back to hurling insults.

Wolverine's fast and Spidey's faster
Wolverine's strong and Spidey's much much stronger.
Wolverine is rarely ever knocked out and Spider-man is rarely ever surprised.
Wolverine is manueverable and Spidey is moreso
Wolverine can only attack h2h and Spidey has ranged combat, incapacitation,H2H and enough strength to manipulate almost any environment.

How am I biased? I would still prefer to have a wolverine in my army than a one hit kill Spiderman. Regardless of ability Wolverine just keeps going and going and going... He deserves being a tier above the friendly neighborhood Spider-man. In full scale war not one on one with Spiderman. IMO

pimp

"The proof is in the pudding"

what putting? your endless speculation with nothing to back it up?

sounds like imaginary pudding to me....I'll go eat some real pudding instead thank you...

Originally posted by Creshosk
And his durability against spiderman has been 100% consistant.

Or are you going to pull a straw and start humping the hell out of the concept of "I don't like it so it didn't happen."

I'm sorry if you can't accept the way that marvel has portrayed it's own characters, and I'm sorry that just like a fanboy you feel like taking your faveorite character to levels way beyond the way that marvel has them.

I'M FINALLY DONE!! 😄 GOOD FIGHT ALL!!

I MAY RETURN BUT NO TIME SOON. ONE LOVE.

pimp
MISTER LC

Originally posted by The MISTER
It's because as tight as Wolverine is he's not superior to Spider-man in one on one combat

Originally posted by The MISTER
with Spider-man today despite the many photo's that you have. The proof is in the pudding and you should already know that I've noticed all that you've ignored.

Do I need to pull out the naming off fallacy thing again?

Originally posted by The MISTER
You're too skilled a debator to rebut with "so what" unless you're getting annoyed.

The people who are reasonable I'm reasonable to. The people that spout nonesense I fight with nonsense. Those that attack with insults, I attack back with insults. So if somehting got a "so what" response I felt that that was the same level response that it deserved.

Originally posted by The MISTER
If you can't explain why Wolverine would win today without showing many pictures of past events that are as questionable as the secret wars battle that you loathe,

Aside from the fanboyism of "I don't like it so it didn't happen" can you explain why they are flawed beyond accerptability despite a 100% consistency between them?

You still haven't said why. Because "spiderman is faster!" yeah, but not by much. We have a speed stat from an old marvel handbook saying he is 15X faster than the average human, wolverine is also faster than the average human.

Originally posted by The MISTER
then you are on the verge of resorting back to hurling insults.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Wolverine's fast and Spidey's faster

Originally posted by The MISTER
Wolverine's strong and Spidey's much much stronger.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Wolverine is rarely ever knocked out and Spider-man is rarely ever surprised.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Wolverine is manueverable and Spidey is moreso

Originally posted by The MISTER
Wolverine can only attack h2h and Spidey has ranged combat,

Originally posted by The MISTER
incapacitation,

Originally posted by The MISTER
H2H and enough strength to manipulate almost any environment.

Originally posted by The MISTER
How am I biased?

[QUOTE=4088856]Originally posted by The MISTER
I would still prefer to have a wolverine in my army than a one hit kill Spiderman. Regardless of ability Wolverine just keeps going and going and going... He deserves being a tier above the friendly neighborhood Spider-man. In full scale war not one on one with Spiderman. [color=red]IMOp/color] Emphesis mine. because this is a valid point you seem to forget. 🙂

Originally posted by The MISTER
I'll take the implication that I'm a fanboy as proof that I am touching nerves as I had not read this post before I predicted that you would start calling names.

I'M FINALLY DONE!! 😄 GOOD FIGHT ALL!!

I MAY RETURN BUT NO TIME SOON. ONE LOVE.

pimp
MISTER LC

Originally posted by Creshosk
Or you know you can use the brain I know you have and take it that I'm switching tactics right along with you. Pulling out the countermesures that are warrented. As I've explained many times before. 🙂

😆 Dammit man I'm tired.... I have already given it my all.. I know that you know why I'M unconvinced. It's the same reason that YOU are unconvinced. You deserve one last response so I'll say this... You have convinced me that Spidey couldn't knock Wolvy out with his superior strength. It would never happen. I also know that Wolverine isn't busting out of a web COCOON and I know that Spider-man can employ that tactic. There are more pictures of Spider-man's web cocoon holding characters more powerful than wolverine helpless than pictures of it being rendered useless by any non-powerhouse. I have seen them and it's a shame I can't post the pictures but I don't have anything but the images in my head. Like when he cocooned Demigoblin and the demon was totally helpless. Since I believe Spidey can do this with greater ease than wolverine will have skewering Spidey (and with good reason not blind speculation) I have to honestly say that I feel Spidey has a better chance incapacitating wolverine completely than wolverine has of killing Spidey. Even if it seems cheap.

Peace Creshosk...
May you never end your reign of terror! lol
seriously I have enjoyed discussing this with everyone involved. This forum is one of the best ideas I've ever seen. Thanks all...
OUT

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MISTER L.C.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Hardly it seems you guys like arguing with me, seeing as you like to bring up the past, regardless I don't see any of cresh's statements on this board, and really don't feel like discussing them...........

I don't do thing I don't enjoy.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If you were paying attention, I already FU**ING said it was on page 30 to 40 on the 3v1 thread, don't jump into anythin you don't know.

too bad you didn't bother reading the messages right after that certainly countered said argument.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Bottom line Jinzin hardly countered stats, because like bats, wolvie has little going for him in this besides constitution, he isn't stronger, more versatile, nada, you are just in denial, which is worse than ignorance since you don't see the truth regardless.

Sure he did, Marvel came up with a game with a far wider range of stats that put Wolverine on top of Spiderman stat wise. So tell me, how important are stats again?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Intelligence is to flip around words or try to articulate things beyond the point of which you know even you are wrong. Wisdom, is to use the concepts appropriately.I know that a rock will slow down a stream from practice,Intelligence, wisdom, Put a larger rock and the whole thing slows down.

Intelligence is the ability to adapt. Wisdom is not using worthless metaphors when clearly not even needed.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Using sense tells me logan is at a MAJOR disadvantage in this fight in regards to getting the priority inany attack, wisdom tells me that all the other factors combined, used ACCURATELY, can cause logan's defeat more often than not.

Then you must be terribly misinformed.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Stop being a subordinate for other posters,and think for yourself. Tell me what is wrong, orhow Wolverine is beating Spidey, not that it was written to happen, LAZY, we know that don't even come here if you are going to be Jinzin's echo.

Prove me guilty of such accusation.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You can put me on that ignore list anytime rather than covering your ears and going "lalala", all you want, but the bottom line is YOUR FATE WAS SEALED WHEN YOU SAID THAT BATMAN ALWAYS HITS HARDER THAN SPIDEY.Therefore making you a spidey hater, and your opinion therefore highly biased, and unreliable.

You added the "always." Of course adding information that doesn't exist is your style so I'm not suprised.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
well in the state of being beserk alone, it represents insurmountable anger, and anger clouds the mind or thought, think reaaaaaaaaaaaly hard of a righteuos battle or something. Or you lost a loved one, but you saw the killer and went beserk, no thought came to you, no pain, no empathy, only that one goal. you wouldn't be measuring how hard to hit, or when to give up, superhuman strength endows, and even a force of trauma to the head so great to the victim will clamp the jaws to the point that it takes a crowbar to open it.

gross but true.

This proves you know little about the character you argue against. During a berserker rage, Wolverine's thought capability, reflexes, speed all increase dramatically. As described by Professor X.

Originally posted by Zahit
Actually it makes him sound like a nerd......

Dude, your at your computer, argueing comics, what the hell do you think you are?