Originally posted by Creshosk
Marvel.
Marvel isn't wishing. It is a FACT that wolverine brings invulnerability to physical damage to a battle. Spidey doesn't.
Wolverine can last longer than Spidey. Makes sense to me.
When a nuke falls Wolverine might get back up. And he's only one notch above Spidey?
That says more for Spidey than for wolvey as a simple bullet can kill Spidey.
Originally posted by The MISTERNo, as they'd still be fighting within the confines of their own personalities.
It's in no way out of Spider-man's character to fight to win. If you want him to fight with compassion while Wolverine fights with a killer instinct and berserker rage, isn't that similar to depowering?
Originally posted by The MISTERNot at all. Each time they've fought wolverine could have killed him, except that each blow wolverine landed was claws sheathed, had they been out, spidey would be dead.
If that's the case Wolverine respects Spidey to much to use his claws. Sounds pretty silly doesn't it?
Originally posted by The MISTERSpiderman appears to have tried to kill wolverine out of fear, wolverine has had a chance to kill spiderman and hasn't.
Let's get real and say that they have equal motivation to kill one another and leave it at that. I'm not gonna act as a therapist for either.
Originally posted by The MISTERIf he doesn't use them anymore in the comics then the current version doesn't have the shooters, and only has the organic webbing that may not be as versitile as the shooters. and Wolverine tore out of the webbing.
PLease enlighten me on the differences between the organic webbing and the webbing in the webshooters. How do you know that it isn't stronger than the old webbing? If not, then why would he refrain from using his old original webshooters in THIS THREAD?
Originally posted by The MISTER*Shrugs*
If Spidey were a monster again tomorrow in the comics then I guess we could just end this and say that a monster can't beat wolvy right?
Originally posted by The MISTERBecause that sort of thing doesn't hurt him. . .well it mught HURT, but it doesn't effect him. He does things like that all the time.
Wolverine AND Spidey at their best has been just fine with me. What most people get frustrated with is that Wolverine at his best seems cosmic, all jokes aside. I wondered one time when I read a fight with him vs Venom why he wasn't even hurt when he was impaled on a sharp branch that was about 1 foot thick.
Originally posted by The MISTERWhat was it?
He was still talking! At the same time I owned a comic where wolverine was knocked out by something that was odd because it wasn't that unique as far as knockout tactics go. It was in wolverine #1 if I'm not mistaken.
Originally posted by The MISTERYou're looking for consistnecy? Look at what happens more often. Each fight between wolverine and spiderman spiderman has not knocked wolverine out.
I'm not trying to use that as an example of weakness, but the question most people want answered is: What is wolverine at his best? Spider-man at his best can't knock out the hulk. Wolverine at his best can't survive a nuke. Both have done both.
Originally posted by The MISTERYeah I guess it does. but that tier thingy said that it was factoring in more than just basic physical stats.
Marvel isn't wishing. It is a FACT that wolverine brings invulnerability to physical damage to a battle. Spidey doesn't.Wolverine can last longer than Spidey. Makes sense to me.
When a nuke falls Wolverine might get back up. And he's only one notch above Spidey?
That says more for Spidey than for wolvey as a simple bullet can kill Spidey.
(how could he survive a nuke when a sentinal blast killed him?)
Originally posted by Creshosk
Not at all. Each time they've fought wolverine could have killed him, except that each blow wolverine landed was claws sheathed, had they been out, spidey would be dead.
Oops, that's freaking Spider-Man, better have my claws sheathed, don't want to hurt this guy, heaven forbid.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm saying that there are plenty of times when Wolverine has struck spiderman without his claws being out. Had they been out spiderman would be dead.
2. Wolverine using his fists : no real danger for SM. Wolverine using his claws : spider-sense goes nuts and SM reacts/fights/dodges even quicker and starts fighting more seriously.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah I guess it does. but that tier thingy said that it was factoring in more than just basic physical stats.(how could he survive a nuke when a sentinal blast killed him?)
Well that nuke example has been used so often that I thought that it happened for real. 😮
My bad.
But seriously when I started posting here I was unaware of this organic webbing. I'm simply going to assume that they're the same instead of start a whole new thread specifying the fact that he's the original Spider-man.
Sorta like starting a thread during the boneclaw Wolverine timeline and being unaware of the stripping of his adamantium. The thread starter would simply start a new thread and specify that they are talking about the original character. Spider-man's regular webbing has been torn too if the opponent possesses sufficient speed and does it before it the STRANDS harden. I've only seen Thing level characters tear through globs.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No, as they'd still be fighting within the confines of their own personalities.
It is out of character for Wolverine to fight without honor but he stabbed Spider-man during a sparring session, said it was an accident and then admitted that he was just jealous of Peter for having a sexy wife.
Personalities change.
Originally posted by who?-kidAt least once each battle.
1. PLENTY of times ? Forget it.
Originally posted by who?-kidNow you are in serious denial. And you are starting to sound like an overzealous fanboy.
2. Wolverine using his fists : no real danger for SM. Wolverine using his claws : spider-sense goes nuts and SM reacts/fights/dodges even quicker and starts fighting more seriously.
This picture has been altered to a claws out picture: How can spidey dodge the punch with wolverine on top of him?
Originally posted by The MISTERYou're suppsed to use the current characters unless otherwise specified.
Well that nuke example has been used so often that I thought that it happened for real. 😮My bad.
[QUOTE=4084841]Originally posted by The MISTER
[B]But seriously when I started posting here I was unaware of this organic webbing. I'm simply going to assume that they're the same instead of start a whole new thread specifying the fact that he's the original Spider-man.
It was some wierd encounter during a teamup with Cap'n america, spidey also gained the ability to talk to bugs and went up to 15 tons.
Originally posted by The MISTERThat's why people start threads specifying boneclaw or clawless fights.
Sorta like starting a thread during the boneclaw Wolverine timeline and being unaware of the stripping of his adamantium. The thread starter would simply start a new thread and specify that they are talking about the original character. Spider-man's regular webbing has been torn too if the opponent possesses sufficient speed and does it before it the STRANDS harden. I've only seen Thing level characters tear through globs.
Originally posted by Creshosk
At least once each battle.Now you are in serious denial. And you are starting to sound like an overzealous fanboy.
This picture has been altered to a claws out picture: How can spidey dodge the punch with wolverine on top of him?
Why can wolverine pin Spiderman? Why cant Spiderman just grab both of wolverines arms and peel all th flesh off of them?
Originally posted by The MISTERI don't think you followed the conversation string very well.
Why can wolverine pin Spiderman? Why cant Spiderman just grab both of wolverines arms and peel all th flesh off of them?
A.) Wolverine had gotten on top of spiderman and punched him in the face with the claws in.
B.) Wolverine had gotten on top of spiderman and punched him in the face with the claws out.
A is what actually happened in the comic book.
B did not happen, but could have happened if Wolverine had wanted to kill spiderman.
The only difference betewwn A and B is that B is a kill shot, and A is not.
Why didn't Wolverine kill spiderman? Obvioulsy because he didn't want to.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I don't think you followed the conversation string very well.A.) Wolverine had gotten on top of spiderman and punched him in the face with the claws in.
B.) Wolverine had gotten on top of spiderman and punched him in the face with the claws out.
A is what actually happened in the comic book.
B did not happen, but could have happened if Wolverine had wanted to kill spiderman.The only difference betewwn A and B is that B is a kill shot, and A is not.
Why didn't Wolverine kill spiderman? Obvioulsy because he didn't want to.
That post was hastily written and yes wolverine could have popped his claws as he struck Spidey. I'm just surprised at how easily Wolverine straddles Spiderman as if he is as weak as normal guy, and Spidey didn't flip or defend himself in ANY way. That just seems odd.
Regardless I don't think Spidey would fight fair and would just jump and shoot globs, jump and shoot globs, jump and shoot globs, resulting in an extremely hindered Wolverine. Cocoon wolverine in the same way he cocooned the rampaging hulk (Who doesn't exactly sit still) and Wolverine will be through. This would be very boring on paper but how could wolverine compensate for tactics like this?
Focusing your advantages on an opponents disadvantages is how to win.
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Originally posted by The MISTERIt was a follow through from the tackle, one fluid movement. Wolverine has gone to punch someone with claws out but retracted the blades as quickly as the punch.
That post was hastily written and yes wolverine could have popped his claws as he struck Spidey. I'm just surprised at how easily Wolverine straddles Spiderman as if he is as weak as normal guy, and Spidey didn't flip or defend himself in ANY way. That just seems odd.
Originally posted by The MISTERThat's what you would do if you were Spiderman. 😂 And not a bad tactic. but if you're saying that the regular type simplty wasn't hardened then why would wolverine not tear out of stuff that was not going to harden?
Regardless I don't think Spidey would fight fair and would just jump and shoot globs, jump and shoot globs, jump and shoot globs, resulting in an extremely hindered Wolverine. Cocoon wolverine in the same way he cocooned the rampaging hulk (Who doesn't exactly sit still) and Wolverine will be through. This would be very boring on paper but how could wolverine compensate for tactics like this?Focusing your advantages on an opponents disadvantages is how to win.
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Though I don't know if he can still do that with the organic webbing. . .
[QUOTE=4085112]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]
'That's what you would do if you were Spiderman.'
You said it man! 😆
'😂 And not a bad tactic. but if you're saying that the regular type simplty wasn't hardened then why would wolverine not tear out of stuff that was not going to harden? '
It's thick like tar and hardens very quickly but like tar it remains sticky on the outside. Unlike tar it's web fluid and much much stronger....
'Though I don't know if he can still do that with the organic webbing. . . '
After reading 8-bit chris's post I don't see why not. ( But I'm still not referring to a Spidey with organic webbing.)
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