Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No Teamates, don't let this articulation and rugged good looks of this guy persuade you from your common sense, he has intelligence, but you have wisdom and enlightenment to counter it, stick to your prudence and dont waddle out your comfort zone.........Use your prudence to discern what is right or wrong and skip the words that you don't understand.

"Teamates?" What's wrong with there own Ideas? What's this forensics versus meditation type arguement? The evidence is right in front of you but ignore it and go with what you want...That's what your saying?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
See my problem is not you pointing out the errors in the arguments of others or mine at all, feel free to. But if you are going to point them out and not explain why, its like saying " you're wrong because you're wrong" despite the size of the words you use , which I know the meaning of well, like you said, well dressed shit is still shit. Don't criticize and not explain, if thats too hard than why bother posting?

I thought everything was explained just fine. Couldn't you follow along?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
See there's this thing I don't like called contradiction, or a go against. It's when somebody makes themselves eat their own words. It was said stats alone are insufficient data. Only later to use a tier hierarchy as an valid point. NO, no,no.

No, stats where said to be invalid because they were incomplete and not representative of the characters capability. Obviously those who made that arguement had reason as far more complete stats showed them favor. Too hard for you to understand?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
It's like subject a saying, that spidey's muscles are stronger and more dense due to his strength. Then B explicitly proclaims this alone is insufficent data. Later subject B says wolvies musles are better because of his larger trapezius, latissimus dorsi, pectoral, and deltoid muscle. That is the contradiction I mean.

But it's not the contradicion you represented, and no one's ever even made such arguement. Wolverine's durability, due to his adamantium laced skeleton, coupled with his healing factor make Spidey's strength a much smaller factor in this fight. How you got "larger trapezius" from that beats the hell out of me.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
We've already established in explicit detail that logic is not an actual fact( what is fact), that it is a genre or library of detail that affects our reasoning,but is agreed upon at the same time, in easy terms. We do however need a common medium to communicate upon. It is good logic to say that a hit to the head is more likely than not to cause unconsciouness or critical damage to the body than the foot, because it is the center of information of the body, and controls functions, and a sufficient blow will shut the brain down, in a minor sense, temporarily, or cause lasting damage etc. etc. Anyone in here with an IQ over 80 (if yours is lower, you shouldn't be here) agrees upon this concept, and it is proven time and time again, therefore it is a good and reliable piece of reasoning and logic to use and support your data with.

But the foot isn't used in that manner as graciously pointed out by wanderer. It is a far more common practice to strike with ball or the heel of the foot. This makes your data, although correct, quite useless, like much of your other arguements.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
So you're saying if i survive a car accident, then i can take bruce lee?
Or if i get a lucky punch in and survive one, that means i can take him?

Another unfair comparison. Wolverine didn't survie one punch he survived several full on punches, and there was nothing lucky about him hitting Spidey.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Thats the problem with just using these sources in a hypothetical debate, and they should only be for proof, not for much point making. Choosing this here, and determining the outcome by just that, makes it open for too many loopholes.

What' hypothetical about proven results, in the science world that equals facts.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
We know that wolverine can take spidey, but he has to get him to fight on his terms, which spidey doesn't and puts the fight in his control, by being able to avoid him,etc.

Then why hasn't he?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
statistics dont favor wolvie at all he has to get spidey on his terms.

Incomplete and highly generalized statistics.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolvie admitted to having his neck capable of being broken

Which proves Spidey is smarter than Wolvie, nothing else.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He also survived, a nuke, but then gets floored by an angry cyclops, nailed across a room by dd, stunned out by a taser, and then stood up to punches from namor w/o falling hmmmmmmmmm.

Gee Spidey always holds back, but Woverine never does!!!!!!!!! Never!!!!!! He never even sheaths his claws!!!!! He just kills kills kills!!!!!

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Anyway, there is something to argue, how is wolvie escaping a vehicle on top of him, without the sufficient strengeth to remove it, and his palms are up or down rendering claws useless. Another car on top of another and another get my point.

So who says he's getting trapped under a car? If unlikely scenarios are all you've got...

Originally posted by who?-kid
Hm, that makes.... zero fights ? In all their fights, Wolverine managed to stab Spider-Man [b]one time, and it was an accident.

So much for a "clear victory" for Wolverine over Spider-Man. [/B]

Why can't you get that Wolvie was holding back?

Anyway, there is something to argue, how is wolvie escaping a vehicle on top of him, without the sufficient strengeth to remove it, and his palms are up or down rendering claws useless. Another car on top of another and another get my point.

So who says he's getting trapped under a car? If unlikely scenarios are all you've got...

I wouldn't necessarily call it unlikely. It'd take some tapping into the banks of resourcefulness on Spidey's part, which would require a good beating and a sufficient amount of panic first, but it could very well happen.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
And after that accident spidey whooped all over wolverines ass, I saw it posted earlier on this thread, and Cap knocking wolverine 30 feet and hurting him.

How nice of you to exclude that Wolvie wasn't fighting back.

Wolverine has to get spidey to fight on his terms, not spideys, unless wolverine all the sudden got superioity on movement and wall crawling

And he can't heal his own brain cell, lost organs at all, and he can drown. [/B][/QUOTE]

You're only right on the last one.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
GOD THAT HURTS!!! wow thats nothing fo any damage.

Titty twisters hurt like hell, and yet little to no damage hmmmm...Could it be that pain isn't always a good indicator of damage? Especially when you just keep taking it instead of doing something about it, even though you're a top notch fighter and could at any time do something about it?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
The best way to beat wolvie is to use weak char. that way they get a boost like wolvie usually does. while wolverine fights without all of his abilities.

This is incoherent at best.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Anyone who thinks spidey can do nothing to wolvie thinks he wins 10/10 times, and those are posts not to be taken seriously, seriously, CAP poses a great threat to logan, if he does spidey does.

I'm not sure anyone considers Spidey a non-threat, or has ever said such a thing (unlike spidey supporters.)

Originally posted by who?-kid
Hmm hmm hmm

You do realize - I hope - that Spider-Man can throw a tank away ? He lifts buses, and subways, and so on.

Now you've proven you don't even know the character you're argueing for. Most modern tanks weigh an excess of 50 tons.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Wolverine sitting on Spider-Man, and making Spider-Man helpless, is a tiny little bit out of character of Wolverine, wouldn't you think so ?

Why?

Originally posted by who?-kid
But I forgot that Wolverine is the most inconsistent Marvel character ever... that will probably explain it.

I'll give you that one, but his average is still capable of handling spidey.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Or are you also one of the "It happened, so it HAS to be canon"-people ? If so => Spider-Man > Firelord > Wolverine.

Your choice.

You're forgetting why Spidey beat Firelord. Why not just put it as "Spider-man with everything in his favor and tons of luck and plenty of circumstances > Firelord > Wolverine."

Originally posted by Wanderer259
I wouldn't necessarily call it unlikely. It'd take some tapping into the banks of resourcefulness on Spidey's part, which would require a good beating and a sufficient amount of panic first, but it could very well happen.

I don't agree with the panic part but yeah I can see it. I only called it unlikely because it's not as likely as other scenarios.

nether wins as the fanboys haul both of them off to make a mural to each of them

I can see that too.

[QUOTE=4089580]Originally posted by MERCILOUS
This proves you know little about the character you argue against. During a berserker rage, Wolverine's thought capability, reflexes, speed all increase dramatically. As described by Professor X.

sorry bud try again we are arguing stuff in general here, noone even said a thing about wolverine, this is more on spidey's behalf anyway.

<Why?>

Obviously, wolverine is not going to be sitting on spidey,not after a single hit point blank. Hulk isn't " sitting" on a full-health or near that spiderman, will a monkey sit on a gorilla if it doesn't want to, use your common sense please.

You guys shoot down things right out of the air because you don't like the way they sound, use some explanation, its quite obvious that using just references along don't work, especially for a guy like wolverine since, most of his feats discredit themselves.Baloney, you are making him sound like he shrugs off the strongest hits in the mu , and stands up.

You want to go by that logic then spidey has also ko'ed the strongest in the mu,and wolvie isn't one of them.

>Titty twisters hurt like hell, and yet little to no damage hmmmm...Could it be that pain isn't always a good indicator of damage? Especially when you just keep taking it instead of doing something about it, even though you're a top notch fighter and could at any time do something about it?<

Its quite amazing how we shoot down anything that shows wolverine losing, because we are capable of coming up with ways of him winning ,but not brilliant enough to make explanations of him doing so.

This is getting sad whatever you say spidey hasn't done, much weaker characters has, wolverine has to get spidey on his on terms to fight him,spiderman has superiority in too many factors for many of the ideas i listed not to work. Drowning,yes,cars,much so,this isn't Wolvielander or Wolvie the Vampire slayer.

<"Teamates?" What's wrong with there own Ideas? What's this forensics versus meditation type arguement? The evidence is right in front of you but ignore it and go with what you want...That's what your saying?>

Nothing at all, they were becoming frustrated with something, namely how some people shoot down all points with no explanation, using inconsistent facts in a hypothetical argument.

chair See those guys, the colors of them represent two very famous marvel characters, figure it out. 🙂

Dude......what???

nooo,what happened to the other sigs are these a cycle you have.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
[QUOTE=4089580]Originally posted by MERCILOUS
[B]This proves you know little about the character you argue against. During a berserker rage, Wolverine's thought capability, reflexes, speed all increase dramatically. As described by Professor X.

sorry bud try again we are arguing stuff in general here, noone even said a thing about wolverine, this is more on spidey's behalf anyway. [/B]

That's not the way it sounded in context.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
<Why?>

Obviously, wolverine is not going to be sitting on spidey,not after a single hit point blank. Hulk isn't " sitting" on a full-health or near that spiderman, will a monkey sit on a gorilla if it doesn't want to, use your common sense please.

You watch alot of nature films? I just don't get your point here, Wolvie sat on Spidey. Spidey tried to do that to Wolvie (and got knocked off and pretty easily too by the looks of it.) Whatever, I don't follow this point at all.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You guys shoot down things right out of the air because you don't like the way they sound, use some explanation, its quite obvious that using just references along don't work, especially for a guy like wolverine since, most of his feats discredit themselves.Baloney, you are making him sound like he shrugs off the strongest hits in the mu , and stands up.

Sorry chap, your describing yourself here. I don't like what Wolvie has done outside of Miller stories but I don't discredit the character.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You want to go by that logic then spidey has also ko'ed the strongest in the mu,and wolvie isn't one of them.

Name 3 in which he didn't use nerdy knowledge, or have some extreme cricumstances on his side.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
>Titty twisters hurt like hell, and yet little to no damage hmmmm...Could it be that pain isn't always a good indicator of damage? Especially when you just keep taking it instead of doing something about it, even though you're a top notch fighter and could at any time do something about it?<

Its quite amazing how we shoot down anything that shows wolverine losing, because we are capable of coming up with ways of him winning ,but not brilliant enough to make explanations of him doing so.

So the whole "pain is not an indicator of damage" thing flew right over your head eh...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
This is getting sad whatever you say spidey hasn't done, much weaker characters has, wolverine has to get spidey on his on terms to fight him,spiderman has superiority in too many factors for many of the ideas i listed not to work. Drowning,yes,cars,much so,this isn't Wolvielander or Wolvie the Vampire slayer.

Have no idea where you're going with this.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
<"Teamates?" What's wrong with there own Ideas? What's this forensics versus meditation type arguement? The evidence is right in front of you but ignore it and go with what you want...That's what your saying?>

Nothing at all, they were becoming frustrated with something, namely how some people shoot down all points with no explanation, using inconsistent facts in a hypothetical argument.

So what do you want explained?

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
That's not the way it sounded in context.

You assumed it sounded like you did, thats okay with me,no point in the bashing though.

You watch alot of nature films? I just don't get your point here, Wolvie sat on Spidey. Spidey tried to do that to Wolvie (and got knocked off and pretty easily too by the looks of it.) Whatever, I don't follow this point at all.[/B][/QUOTE]

You don't see the obvious bias in that, thats like saying thing can't sit on spidey, but spidey sits on thing no problem.

Sorry chap, your describing yourself here. I don't like what Wolvie has done outside of Miller stories but I don't discredit the character.[/B][/QUOTE]

not quite, I haven't discredited the char, only the sources that discredit themselves, you've really gave me nothing to shoot down, you are only saying something about me really, or "unlikely" chances.

Name 3 in which he didn't use nerdy knowledge, or have some extreme cricumstances on his side.[/B][/QUOTE]

A nerdy knowledge that helps him prevail over wolverine, unlike the extreme inconsistencies disguised as luck on wolvies behalf. thats all.

So the whole "pain is not an indicator of damage" thing flew right over your head eh...[/B][/QUOTE]

hardly thats what pressure points are for right. I can press them, without having to strike and do no critical damage, but if you want to go there again......

Have no idea where you're going with this.

So what do you want explained? [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
That's not the way it sounded in context.

You assumed it sounded like you did, thats okay with me,no point in the bashing though.

You watch alot of nature films? I just don't get your point here, Wolvie sat on Spidey. Spidey tried to do that to Wolvie (and got knocked off and pretty easily too by the looks of it.) Whatever, I don't follow this point at all.[/B][/QUOTE]

You don't see the obvious bias in that, thats like saying thing can't sit on spidey, but spidey sits on thing no problem.

Sorry chap, your describing yourself here. I don't like what Wolvie has done outside of Miller stories but I don't discredit the character.[/B][/QUOTE]

not quite, I haven't discredited the char, only the sources that discredit themselves, you've really gave me nothing to shoot down, you are only saying something about me really, or "unlikely" chances.

Name 3 in which he didn't use nerdy knowledge, or have some extreme cricumstances on his side.[/B][/QUOTE]

A nerdy knowledge that helps him prevail over wolverine, unlike the extreme inconsistencies disguised as luck on wolvies behalf. thats all.

So the whole "pain is not an indicator of damage" thing flew right over your head eh...[/B][/QUOTE]

hardly thats what pressure points are for right. I can press them, without having to strike and do no critical damage, but if you want to go there again......

Have no idea where you're going with this.

So what do you want explained? [/B][/QUOTE]

bleh sorry about that my computer had an error reloading.

Spidey weighs like 160 wet, That's why he can't sit on the Thing's or even Wolvie's chest.

"the sources that discredit themselves" to you must obviously be Wolvie beating Spidey 3 times in a row, otherwise we wouldn't be having this arguement.

Wolvie's fights hardly come from luck. Even outside of Miller's writing, I wouldn't dare say that.

Why do you assume that Spidey will get to use his nerdy knowledge in this fight? Is it in a chemical factory or something I'm not aware of?

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Spidey weighs like 160 wet, That's why he can't sit on the Thing's or even Wolvie's chest.

No but he can sit on things chest long enough to get those hits in, and can toss wolverine fifty feet in the air, it makes less sense for wolverine to sit on spidey's chest literally 50 times over.

"the sources that discredit themselves" to you must obviously be Wolvie beating Spidey 3 times in a row, otherwise we wouldn't be having this arguement. [/B][/QUOTE]

It's your opinion what you see as beat, which is why you can't use this alone without explaining, because different writers write different things all of the time for different reasons. Its not like they sit by the abilities of the character while they think this stuff up.

Wolvie's fights hardly come from luck. Even outside of Miller's writing, I wouldn't dare say that. [/B][/QUOTE]

No his outrageous boosts, are luck in disguise, at least spidey got a new name and costume with his abilities.

Why do you assume that Spidey will get to use his nerdy knowledge in this fight? Is it in a chemical factory or something I'm not aware of? [/B][/QUOTE]

No he outsmarts characters that pose greater threats than wolvie all of the time, look at it from an enemie's perspective.

Who will be the greater threat of these two if I take off in the air?

Which is harder to hit?

Which hits harder?

Which takes advantage of my offensive?

Who can sense attacks before they happen ,and use certain items against me that I fling at him?

Who takes more punishment?

Who thinks more steps ahead in a fight?

These are many points, I'm not making these up for no reason, spidey edges out more. Wolverine has constitution sure enough, but he cant take critical injury and fight at his peak at the same time.

ANd for the titty twister, that hurts more because you are twisting many nerve endings, the head really has no nerve endings to expose like that, and the only way to cause that kind of pain to the head with your hands is to hit or cuff the ears, or apply pressure directly between the nose, and spidey was hitting neither. 😮‍💨