Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No but he can sit on things chest long enough to get those hits in, and can toss wolverine fifty feet in the air, it makes less sense for wolverine to sit on spidey's chest literally 50 times over.
Not if Wolvie is an experienced ground fighter, and according to marvel he's a master of all forms of combat so...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
It's your opinion what you see as beat, which is why you can't use this alone without explaining, because different writers write different things all of the time for different reasons. Its not like they sit by the abilities of the character while they think this stuff up.
Two humilations and 1 knock out. They sound like victories to me.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No his outrageous boosts, are luck in disguise, at least spidey got a new name and costume with his abilities.
His "outrageous boost" become just part of his character when they happen as often as they have.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No he outsmarts characters that pose greater threats than wolvie all of the time, look at it from an enemie's perspective.Who will be the greater threat of these two if I take off in the air?
Spidey but it's hardly a threat since Spidey's only offensive is webbing, which Wolvie has shown himself more than capable of handling.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Which is harder to hit?
Spidey, but a far more important question is which is harder to cause damage to?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Which hits harder?
Spidey, but a far more important question would be, who does more damage?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Which takes advantage of my offensive?
I'm not sure what you mean by "my" offensive, I'm just gonna assume it's "the offensive" and the obvious answer is Wolvie.
Who can sense attacks before they happen ,and use certain items against me that I fling at him?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Who takes more punishment?
Healing factor plus adamantium, Wolvie by far.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Who thinks more steps ahead in a fight?
Believe it or not Wolvie, this isn't a question of intellegence, but rather one of tactics. His multiple training alone give him the edge here.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
These are many points, I'm not making these up for no reason, spidey edges out more. Wolverine has constitution sure enough, but he cant take critical injury and fight at his peak at the same time.ANd for the titty twister, that hurts more because you are twisting many nerve endings, the head really has no nerve endings to expose like that, and the only way to cause that kind of pain to the head with your hands is to hit or cuff the ears, or apply pressure directly between the nose, and spidey was hitting neither. 😮💨
Your anatomical knowledge is not necessary. the point was that many things hurt that don't necessarily cause damage. If you're anatomical knowledge is as good as I think you've claimed, then surely you could think of many examples.
Wow people still debate this?Wolverine loses automatically no doubt about it.No matter how much overwriting the candian midget gets he is and always will be a[wait for it NORMAL HUMAN with strong bones and fast healing.He has no superhuman speed strength OR EVEN STAMINA
1 He cannot hit Spiderman unless Spideys feet are in cement.Scratch that Andamantium he would probably just break the cement.He is simply not fast enough under any circumstance and Spider sense eliminates suprise as a factor.
2 He cannot avoid Spidey hitting him at will.Heck DD has been in sitations where hes know Spidey was going to clock him knew exactly what hit was coming and where from and still wasent fast enough to act on it.Unless Wolverine suddenly gains superspeed hes fodder for Spidey
3 He cant take a beating from Spidey.Yah ive seen moments of him being overwritten to the point where the holder of the Infinity Gauntlet couldnt make him say "ow" but he is a NORMAL human underneath all that tin plating on his bones.10 Ton punches turn his grey matter to mush and he lays on his back half dead while his healing factor puts them back together again
Given the powers of these characters as they are meant to be [Thus no Godverine or Firelord pummeling Spidey] its normal human that heals fast vs Superhuman with all the advantages.Spidey wins
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
welcome aboard you are in for the long hall, full of people who will say what you brought up is no big deal,and rely on inconsistencies.
Thanks but im game.I havent even looked at the Batman/Spiderman thread but im sure thats much worse and probably utterly dependant on a nebulous "Plan" power Bats has that apparently lets him write his comic and im sure id rather be here than in that one
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaYou obviously don't know anything about wolverine beyond what you looked up on some bio.
Wow people still debate this?Wolverine loses automatically no doubt about it.No matter how much overwriting the candian midget gets he is and always will be a[wait for it NORMAL HUMAN with strong bones and fast healing.He has no superhuman speed strength OR EVEN STAMINA
You know that thing called the healing factor? Yeah that gives him the superhuman stamina.
You know those "metal bones" that you downplayed from what they really are? Yeah those are adamantium which adds to wolvie's strength and pushes him into the low superhuman strength range
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaFunny how marvel disagree's with you and has wolverine both dodging spiderman and fast enough to tag spiderman if he screws up.
1 He cannot hit Spiderman unless Spideys feet are in cement.Scratch that Andamantium he would probably just break the cement.He is simply not fast enough under any circumstance and Spider sense eliminates suprise as a factor.
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaOr you know not, since marvel disagree's with you as well.
2 He cannot avoid Spidey hitting him at will.Heck DD has been in sitations where hes know Spidey was going to clock him knew exactly what hit was coming and where from and still wasent fast enough to act on it.Unless Wolverine suddenly gains superspeed hes fodder for Spidey
Bringing in DD? DD knocked out the symbiote spidey. . .
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaYou've never read the comics with wolverine in them have you? He can take a beating from spidey because he has in each of there hostile encounters with each other. The first one Spiderman wailed away on him and couldn't get him to stop smiling.
3 He cant take a beating from Spidey.Yah ive seen moments of him being overwritten to the point where the holder of the Infinity Gauntlet couldnt make him say "ow" but he is a NORMAL human underneath all that tin plating on his bones.10 Ton punches turn his grey matter to mush and he lays on his back half dead while his healing factor puts them back together again
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaYou mean the way you think they should be which directly conflicts with the way that marvel wants them.
Given the powers of these characters as they are meant to be [Thus no Godverine or Firelord pummeling Spidey] its normal human that heals fast vs Superhuman with all the advantages.Spidey wins
Go read some wolverine comics then come back when you can argue with some semblence of knowledge.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellYou rely on attacking and belittleing the characters, in a sense creating a strawman verion of wolverine in order to knock down.
welcome aboard you are in for the long hall, full of people who will say what you brought up is no big deal,and rely on inconsistencies.
I'm sorry if you can't handle the way that Marvel has it's characters, and I'm sorry if you, like a fan boy does, have to raise your faveorite character above and beyond what its creator actually has it as in order to win, and just like a fanboy you have to degrade the abilities of your faveorite's powers and abilities in order to win.
But I'm argueing about marvel's 616 characters that have shown a 100% consistency in their multiple hostile encounters.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You obviously don't know anything about wolverine beyond what you looked up on some bio.You know that thing called the healing factor? Yeah that gives him the superhuman stamina.
You know those "metal bones" that you downplayed from what they really are? Yeah those are adamantium which adds to wolvie's strength and pushes him into the low superhuman strength range
Funny how marvel disagree's with you and has wolverine both dodging spiderman and fast enough to tag spiderman if he screws up.
Or you know not, since marvel disagree's with you as well.
Bringing in DD? DD knocked out the symbiote spidey. . .
You've never read the comics with wolverine in them have you? He can take a beating from spidey because he has in each of there hostile encounters with each other. The first one Spiderman wailed away on him and couldn't get him to stop smiling.
You mean the way you think they should be which directly conflicts with the way that marvel wants them.
Go read some wolverine comics then come back when you can argue with some semblence of knowledge.
Great wonderful i applaud your ability to site precedent now please explain where Wolverines Superhuman speed came from and how his brains avoid turning into mush from the guy that can hit him without being touched
Yeah im aware Wolverine gets writers that love to have him take direct hits from Thor with the Power Gem and no sell it thanks to his Andamantium body but for every example like that i can point out that Spidey whipped the entire X-Men team at once in IWs.If i REALLY wanna show how bad writing shouldnt be used in fights ill point that Dazzler once defeated DOCTOR FRIGGAN DOOM by running at him real fast on Rollar skates
Do i have to repeat that again she BEAT DOCTOR DOOM by running at him with Rollar skates
Wolverine suddenly having access to the Speed force and every moulcule of his body being regenerating Andamantium would be in the the same category.Im talking the normal level of ability of the characters and Wolvie is a normal human nothing enhanced at ALL and his has tough virtually unbreakable bones against a gy thats too fast for him to hit avoid and can pund him with enough force to liquify his organs.
Wolverine btw has been beatten by Cyclops in H2H combat so are you going to with a straight face tell me that Cyclops can beat Spidey in a fist fight too?
Wolverine btw has been beatten by Cyclops in H2H combat so are you going to with a straight face tell me that Cyclops can beat Spidey in a fist fight too?
At least SM's powers are more or less consistent. Anybody who says the same thing about Wolverine, is a liar or an idiot.
Or both.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You rely on attacking and belittleing the characters, in a sense creating a strawman verion of wolverine in order to knock down.I'm sorry if you can't handle the way that Marvel has it's characters, and I'm sorry if you, like a fan boy does, have to raise your faveorite character above and beyond what its creator actually has it as in order to win, and just like a fanboy you have to degrade the abilities of your faveorite's powers and abilities in order to win.
But I'm argueing about marvel's 616 characters that have shown a 100% consistency in their multiple hostile encounters.
I'm not doing this again, you guys are making it sound like I can take spiderman.
Thats wierd when did wolverine become juggernaut where he could shrug off any and all superhuman punches. Wolverine has the stamina but needs to recharge.
I don't care who wrote what who, where, or win they are not writing for you now. You are only using what is written, which contradicts itself, laying on the table and doing little else. Its cute though, because there is no valid way to say how he will, touch him, to kill him, when he is outdone in almost every factor but constitution. Combat training is nice for guys that say in the same spot spiderman doesn't. He can win this and many other fights without even touching the ground.
You use things that happened like a bible, but don't say why, it happened because it did. Now other writers with other motivations beyond consistency(money) are your only factor, because you have nothing else to say, you've posted the matches plain and simple, if spidey can humiliate the xmen and ff, then he can take this. Dont reply if you aren't going to say anything but it happened here. Spidey was capable of KOing the hulk but he cant to wolverine. Pssssssh
There are spidey fans and supporters who weigh things with common sense and reason, and wolverine fans who weigh things by sales, wait he has that against him to, There is no "Wolverine" movie.
Oh, and I keep wolvies statistics as listed by marvel, and spideys outweigh him so naturally he will be downplayed so wolvie can keep up.
Thats were stats are there for, they are our fact when the writers use their opinon, or bias, or sales. They allow us to reason what is capable by the char and what is not. Using too much of this makes others forget the guidelines, so what if he has that healing factor, nothing seems to be out of reach for his abilities, even though he is just a superdurable guy, with claws. Much like an inferior hulk.
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Great wonderful i applaud your ability to site precedent now please explain where Wolverines Superhuman speed came from and how his brains avoid turning into mush from the guy that can hit him without being touched
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Originally posted by EvilCap America100% consistency in their hostile fights. You can argue inconsistency and bad writting all you want, but appearently it's happened regularly enough . . .
Yeah im aware Wolverine gets writers that love to have him take direct hits from Thor with the Power Gem and no sell it thanks to his Andamantium body but for every example like that i can point out that Spidey whipped the entire X-Men team at once in IWs.If i REALLY wanna show how bad writing shouldnt be used in fights ill point that Dazzler once defeated DOCTOR FRIGGAN DOOM by running at him real fast on Rollar skates
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaAnd neither doctor doom nor dazzler are spiderman nor wolverine, so this is just a red herring.
Do i have to repeat that again she BEAT DOCTOR DOOM by running at him with Rollar skates
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaNo, you're arguing Wolverine being below his normal ability.
Wolverine suddenly having access to the Speed force and every moulcule of his body being regenerating Andamantium would be in the the same category.Im talking the normal level of ability
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaHis strength puts him up barely in superhuman due to the adamantium bones pushing him above peak human. He also has a superhuman healing factor, and super human senses.
of the characters and Wolvie is a normal human nothing enhanced at ALL
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaFunny how Marvel says wolverine's fast enough to give spiderman a hard time, and he heals from those hits instantly eh?
and his has tough virtually unbreakable bones against a gy thats too fast for him to hit avoid and can pund him with enough force to liquify his organs.
Originally posted by EvilCap AmericaAnd where was this? You got proof of this claim?
Wolverine btw has been beatten by Cyclops in H2H combat so are you going to with a straight face tell me that Cyclops can beat Spidey in a fist fight too?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellyou're a peak human with a healing factor, enhanced sense and adamantium bones with the knowledge of fighting that wolverine has?
I'm not doing this again, you guys are making it sound like I can take spiderman.
Wow.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSince his healing factor allows him to heal as its been shown with a 100% consistency in his fights with Spiderman.
Thats wierd when did wolverine become juggernaut where he could shrug off any and all superhuman punches. Wolverine has the stamina but needs to recharge.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellMarvel wrote the fight, between spiderman and wolverine, in a cemetary, on a roof and in a training room, three different times. So now we're not using marvels characters?
I don't care who wrote what who, where, or win they are not writing for you now.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellHard proof from marvel.
You are only using what is written,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellNot really, 100% consistency in the hostile encounters between the two.
which contradicts itself,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellMore than your're doing, you're attacking the character so you can discard Marvel's characters. . .
laying on the table and doing little else.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellMarvel once again disagree's with you.
Its cute though, because there is no valid way to say how he will, touch him, to kill him, when he is outdone in almost every factor but constitution.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellFunny how he hasn't. . . ever . . not even once.
Combat training is nice for guys that say in the same spot spiderman doesn't. He can win this and many other fights without even touching the ground.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellI use things that happened like they were hard scientific evidence.
You use things that happened like a bible,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBercause they're from marvel about marvel's characters, in a fight between marvel's characters. . .
but don't say why,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBecause that's what marvel wanted to have happen for it's characters.
it happened because it did.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell100% consistency that you're ignoring. three times the same thing happens.
Now other writers with other motivations beyond consistency(money) are your only factor,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellIt's better than your speculation that goes against preestablished fact.
because you have nothing else to say,
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellYou mean where Spiderman nuetrilized Nightcrawler's teleportation ability?
you've posted the matches plain and simple, if spidey can humiliate the xmen and ff, then he can take this.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSpiderman has neutrilization powers. . wow. . .
Dont reply if you aren't going to say anything but it happened here.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellCollosus can't knock out wolverine but Spiderman can. Pssssssh.
Spidey was capable of KOing the hulk but he cant to wolverine. Pssssssh
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellIt's partially true. Wolverine can't knock out spiderman, even though spiderman doesn't have an adamantium skull or a healing factor. *shrugs* He took Wolverine's hit that was hard enough to send him flying. . . but he didn't take the claw hit, he passed out.
I absolutely believe beyond any doubt that wolverine has some chances of dodging spiderman, and punishing his mistakes, after all that is what great fighters do.But why would he need to seeing as his hits register no effect?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSpider sense. not common sense. common sense would tell you that Spiderman hasn't knocked wolverine out three times before, so common sense would tell you he wouldn't in the future.
There are spidey fans and supporters who weigh things with common sense
Spider sense tells you that spiderman is going to accomplish something that spiderman couldn't before.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellHardly. Nice argument though, "He's popular so that's the only reason why"
and reason, and wolverine fans who weigh things by sales,
Originally posted by Zahit
Wolverine fans are jelous because Spiderman is their new #1
Oh wait, I guess not. Since spiderman is more popular. . .
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellYou're going to argue from something other than 616? Then I can argue about Wolverine who took out all of manhatten because he's the lord of the vampires. . . oh wait no, no I can't, and neither can you.
wait he has that against him to, There is no "Wolverine" movie.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellAnd you just proved you don't. So you just lied to me.
Oh, and I keep wolvies statistics as listed by marvel, and spideys outweigh him so naturally he will be downplayed so wolvie can keep up.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellSo now you have to attack wolverine's character because you don't have an argument for spidey winning anymore, based on Marvel's stats.
Thats were stats are there for, they are our fact when the writers use their opinon, or bias, or sales.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWolverine's healing factor is instantaneous, and he's shown he can take a beating from spiderman, reson then says that he can do it again.
They allow us to reason what is capable by the char and what is not.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellAnd he's fast enough to give spiderman problems.
Using too much of this makes others forget the guidelines, so what if he has that healing factor, nothing seems to be out of reach for his abilities, even though he is just a superdurable guy, with claws.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellHUlk has claws?
Much like an inferior hulk.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWolverine has around an 800 lbs strength, and can't hit a 160 pound guy across a rooftop?
On the rooftop, it just doesn't seem as capable of simply backhanding him that far, now a haymaker during beserker rage absolutely.
Now who's not using common sense?
Did spiderman suddenly gain 900+ pounds? Wouldn't he just break his own bones beyond the suspension of disbelif break now more so? Or did spiderman also gain adamantium bones?
Originally posted by who?-kid"His powers are inconsistent, and I like spiderman more, so we use a weak wolverine rather than a medium or high levels."That's the problem with a thread that has Wolverine in it : the guy's powers are so inconsistent, you don't know what to believe anymore. Of course the Wolverine defenders will go for his most "impressive" (cough cough) feats, and at the same time they like to ignore little details as what you just wrote.
At least SM's powers are more or less consistent. Anybody who says the same thing about Wolverine, is a liar or an idiot.
Or both. [/B]
*hits spiderman with a lightly tossed bomb, that he just runs into*
You're either a liar, or an idiot, or both.