Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yep that invincible skeleton is great but, invincible or not it does not support near half the force of an attack.

It supports all of spiderman's attack on a 100% consistant basis.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
When you are hit harder damage goes to the brain and other major area's without so much as a crack to the skull,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Concussions = brain bruises, = wolverine's skull is nigh invincible, but it cannot absorb all of the concussive force.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine doesn't heal instantly,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
he's been ko'ed by a bullet,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
took two days to heal from an explosion.

I know it had to have been before he got jammed in the throat and kept going.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He's nursed his wounds many times, I guess we should have spidey hit hiim in the throat then, he will die, it only takes 8 pounds of pressure to the throat to kill, spidey does how many ponds now???

Wolverine is to be used at his weakest, but spiderman at his strongest.

*causually kills spiderman by gently lobbing a grenade at spiderman*
And you say wolverine is in consistant. 😆

Originally posted by whirlysplat
[QUOTE=4094347]Originally posted by Creshosk
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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735802

Spidey's strength is virtually a non-factor as Wolverine's healing factor and adamantium can handle it.

Bad writing happens I'veseen Cyclops beat Wolvie down 😄 [/QUOTE] "I don't like it therefore it didn't happen"

No fanboy arguments. there has been a 100% consistency in their fights.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
wolvies sure doing really well in that pick eh, looks like he was starting to " get the message", crazy people smile while they are getting chopped up.

Wolverine was unphased by that as a few panels later the fight was over.

Wolverine tackles spiderman, hit him in the face and then offereed spiderman a draw.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
claws come out, kicks it into high drive, so does spidey, and his high drive is much much more.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Web him ,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
cyclops sure has, with his fists, and daredevil did to, you can't expect them to let wolvie look invicible against the weaker ones. noone would want to see it, same with spidey. 😈

You don't, you say "Oh but against someone other than spiderman..."

How hardly, wolverine does not heal instantly from everything the very notion of it is ridiculous. he should be able to take juggernaut and hulk at the same time.

YOu are depowering spidey's strength. and agility,and this has been gone over so many times it isn't funny. You want him to fight wolvie like he has no sense, point is wolvie doesn't seem to do much when spidey's wailing on him.

It aint fun to debate with you when you are close minded, writers show what is for the best for them when they make it, this fight isnt playing out by their step by step.

Someone say's I think kirby beats jiggly, You say well it didn't happen here or here or here, explain why , like you do in those threads.

Besides he will be healed, but that doesn't mean he is staying conscious.

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Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You said from their actual games tell me which Kirby games have you played, and for that matter foward a move for kirby spelt the end for jiggly
All of them. and I can still never suck in certain enemies. Particularly those that are too big (Like the bosses)

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Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
And you are talking about game balance , you are right, especially seeing how SUPERIOR kirby was to jigglyh in the origina SSB, and still is great after he has been toned down,

Drill kick -> Rest. The drill kick pulls me down into your bounding box and in SSB there was no delay so I can instantly use rest.

in SSBM there is a delay at the end of the drill kick.
in SSB there was no delay.

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Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Sing, kirby has so many move to go to town with it ,
Only if he's taken it from an enemy, you keep forgetting that kirby starts off with no powers other than sucking.

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Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
this isn't even funny I myself have loved to raise the harder animals, like dratini, and I love venusaur anyway, Jiggly aint hurtin a fully trained dragonite.
Return only doesn't work on those immune to normal attacks. And remember I took out a pokemon 50 levels higher that was strong against normal type attacks.

remember how you explain those explain this.

Creshosk you often make good points, but you have to admit Spidey should beat Wolverine based on powers with decent wrriting 😄

Originally posted by Creshosk
100%, how do you explain it?

You don't, you say "Oh but against someone other than spiderman..."

Yep plain and simple.

Interesting, all of this and Elektra beat his ass silly and had him clutching his LUNGS (she punctured both of them) and left for dead. But this is about Spiderman vs. Wolverine...

Some stuff Wolverine has done? Get his ass almost killed by Elektra, concede that Elektra WOULD kill him, get stopped cold in his tracks by Daredevil with a karate chop to the throat, get stalemated by Punisher AND Archangel (during the story arc in Genosha when Jim Lee drew him), get knocked out by Omega Red (X-Men relaunch with Jim Lee), had his claws broken by Sabertooth, get stalemated by Sabertooth, get frightened to death by Cyber, struggle MIGHTILY against Silver Samurai (Uncanny #173), get absentmindedly backhanded by Spiderman in Secret Wars #3 when he ran through all of the X-Men without getting touched (since we are referencing X-Men fights).

Hand ninjas? Daredevil with Stick and Stone waded through "hundreds of Hand ninjas." They did it here:

Elektra singlehandedly killed countless numbers of members of the Hand. Hand ninjas are merely fodder. Not impressive.

Silver Samurai? LoL, he was getting his ass beaten. He broke Samurai's arm in the end, however - and Samurai ranks where on the list of Marvel's greatest martial artists? Behind Elektra, Shang Chi, Gamora, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Black Panther, Captain America - i.e. WAY down there. Not impressive.

He is a master of multiple forms of martial arts and gets his ass routinely handed to him by...masters of multiple forms of martial arts. Not impressive.

Am sorry to say that Spiderman is ROUTINELY written as a better - hmm, more RESOURCEFUL combatant than Wolverine is. In pure h2h one THINKS Wolverine would have the upper hand based on pure martial arts skills, but Spiderman has developed his own eclectic fighting style - not to mention that his reflexes are faster than a human's by a factor of 15. Wolverine HAS no superspeed and CANNOT "dodge bullets" in the same manner that Spiderman can.

Spiderman is quicker, faster, oodles stronger, and has his Spidey sense.

One can make a WEAK argument that Wolverine can defeat Spiderman - however, how can one defeat what one cannot TOUCH?

Do recall Daredevil slaughtering Sabertooth in Daredevil #213. Sabertooth landed a few blows while Daredevil was burdened with the hostage; however, after the hostage escaped, Daredevil kicked Sabertooth's ass without being touched. Sabertooth ran and ducked into a sewer to escape.

The same Sabertooth that routinely gives Wolverine fits. Daredevil stomped him. Sabertooth easily carved up Wolverine.

Spiderman > Daredevil. Is it really necessary to continue...?

great counter pointer easily but never answers any questions, or explains, but he is going to eat this one alive, watch those counter pointing skills at work.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
How hardly, wolverine does not heal instantly from everything the very notion of it is ridiculous. he should be able to take juggernaut and hulk at the same time.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
YOu are depowering spidey's strength.

70>15>10

But now that its spiderman. . .

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
and agility,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
and this has been gone over so many times it isn't funny. You want him to fight wolvie like he has no sense,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
point is wolvie doesn't seem to do much when spidey's wailing on him.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
It aint fun to debate with you when you are close minded,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
writers show what is for the best for them when they make it, this fight isnt playing out by their step by step.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Someone say's I think kirby beats jiggly, You say well it didn't happen here or here or here, explain why , like you do in those threads.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Besides he will be healed, but that doesn't mean he is staying conscious.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
remember how you explain those explain this.

Wolverine can only hit spiderman when Spiderman screws up or tires out, or starts making mistakes because he's tired.

Spiderman can hit wolverine no problem. But his hits aren't going to do that much.

Spiderman can try to web wolverine, who can tear out or cut himself out.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Creshosk you often make good points, but you have to admit Spidey should beat Wolverine based on powers with decent wrriting 😄

Decent writing? That's subjective, so is a matter of opinion.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yep plain and simple.

Interesting, all of this and Elektra beat his ass silly and had him clutching his LUNGS (she punctured both of them) and left for dead. But this is about Spiderman vs. Wolverine...

Some stuff Wolverine has done? Get his ass almost killed by Elektra, concede that Elektra WOULD kill him, get stopped cold in his tracks by Daredevil with a karate chop to the throat, get stalemated by Punisher AND Archangel (during the story arc in Genosha when Jim Lee drew him), get knocked out by Omega Red (X-Men relaunch with Jim Lee), had his claws broken by Sabertooth, get stalemated by Sabertooth, get frightened to death by Cyber, struggle MIGHTILY against Silver Samurai (Uncanny #173), get absentmindedly backhanded by Spiderman in Secret Wars #3 when he ran through all of the X-Men without getting touched (since we are referencing X-Men fights).

Hand ninjas? Daredevil with Stick and Stone waded through "hundreds of Hand ninjas." They did it here:

Elektra singlehandedly killed countless numbers of members of the Hand. Hand ninjas are merely fodder. Not impressive.

Silver Samurai? LoL, he was getting his ass beaten. He broke Samurai's arm in the end, however - and Samurai ranks where on the list of Marvel's greatest martial artists? Behind Elektra, Shang Chi, Gamora, Daredevil, Iron Fist, Black Panther, Captain America - i.e. WAY down there. Not impressive.

He is a master of multiple forms of martial arts and gets his ass routinely handed to him by...masters of multiple forms of martial arts. Not impressive.

Am sorry to say that Spiderman is ROUTINELY written as a better - hmm, more RESOURCEFUL combatant than Wolverine is. In pure h2h one THINKS Wolverine would have the upper hand based on pure martial arts skills, but Spiderman has developed his own eclectic fighting style - not to mention that his reflexes are faster than a human's by a factor of 15. Wolverine HAS no superspeed and CANNOT "dodge bullets" in the same manner that Spiderman can.

Spiderman is quicker, faster, oodles stronger, and has his Spidey sense.

One can make a WEAK argument that Wolverine can defeat Spiderman - however, how can one defeat what one cannot TOUCH?

Do recall Daredevil slaughtering Sabertooth in Daredevil #213. Sabertooth landed a few blows while Daredevil was burdened with the hostage; however, after the hostage escaped, Daredevil kicked Sabertooth's ass without being touched. Sabertooth ran and ducked into a sewer to escape.

The same Sabertooth that routinely gives Wolverine fits. Daredevil stomped him. Sabertooth easily carved up Wolverine.

Spiderman > Daredevil. Is it really necessary to continue...?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
great counter pointer easily but never answers any questions, or explains, but he is going to eat this one alive, watch those counter pointing skills at work.

<you are making him sound like he shrugs off the strongest hits in the mu , and stands up.>

ummmm.....he does...... 😕

I think you make counter points a lot Creshosk thats an easy way of arguing and debating mate. 😄

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, I answer questions justnever answer questions the way you want them to be answered.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
I think you make counter points a lot Creshosk thats an easy way of arguing and debating mate. 😄

I've stated what I think it'd come down to. I've even backed it up within the counterpoints.

What's really funny is noone has been able to prove that spiderman could knock wolverine out with hard physical evidence.

Just speculation, ad hoc and fallacy of exclusion. 😐

Originally posted by Creshosk
And yet you think he could charage through a hailstorm of bullets? You accept that but now when he's against Spiderman he doesn't have a chance?

I never said he didnt have a chance YOU, assumed that, "makes an A-S-S out of U-M-E, mostly you though. 😛

You also explicitly said that 70 weaker punches were not going to destroy a brick wall yourself. You killed your own point.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No I'm not you're overpowering it. Collosus inan absolute rage clobbered wolverine and he stayed concious.

70>15>10

But now that its spiderman. . .

Yep and,DD chopped wolvie down, and Cyclops floored him, imagine why these char shown hit wolvie where wolvie needs to be hit to stay up.

The fact that the military wanted hulks blood sample for years, and Deadpool did it with a simple pole is utter bullshit as well, its called a plot device good sir. Entertaining but ridiculous, much like some wrestling matches.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No, Marvel has wolverine being just a little bit slower than spiderman, fast enough to give him a hard time when in really close h2h combat. . .

Hardly, spidey could just ignore wolverine, or put him on the newspaper for JJ with no problem,he can outspeed cars if he really wanted to, like i said closeminded.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You want wolverine to fight as a normal human. I'm countering each time someone says that Spiderman can knock wolverine out. I'm not the one that had spiderman hit wolverine in their arguments. . .

And even if it WERE 100% FACT, that spidey could not ko wolverine, he wouldn't need to to defeat him, it would actually be worse to be awake to what could happen, I thought you were creative.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nope, he just takes it.

Because he could do little else, who died and made you captain obvious 😛

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hypocritical

Hey you are creative, but close minded you use old matches, which answer "when" and not "how", and don't explain how yourself , only point to the "when".

So we're not using marvel's characters?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Kirby and Jigglypuff have never fought, leaving their entire battle up to speculation. Spiderman and wolverine HAVE fought, at least three times, leaving certain aspects of their fight OUT of speculation.

Like how spidey senses don't go off but Logan has invurnerability, or how spidey doesn't dodge, but logan backhands him 15 yards at peak human str, it you need me to go on.

Funny how he has huh? Three different times. . .

What's to explain?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine can only hit spiderman when Spiderman screws up or tires out, or starts making mistakes because he's tired.

Spidey won't get tired in this match too easily, there's that superhuman metabolism. Spidey can just get on that wall and have his merry way with him, cheap but true.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Spiderman can hit wolverine no problem. But his hits aren't going to do that much.

OUCH!! GOD THAT HURTS!!!

Originally posted by Creshosk
Spiderman can try to web wolverine, who can tear out or cut himself out.

Which isn't going to happen seeing as he won't get near and spidey can target practice as much as he pleases.

okay first off, when did cyclops beat wolverine in h2h?
second, you obviously don't know anything about the dd vs. wolverine fights that you haven't read about on here...dd chopped him in another classic example of a non-fight...big woop...
third, deadpool did it against a hulk that had lower than average durability due o circumstances...and it was in a deadpool comic....comics not made to make sense but for the comical value....hell in a deadpool comic the guy shrunk rhino into a 7inch midget and used him to smack people around with, ala "rhino-chucks"...HELL, in deadpool comics...he talks to the narraration boxes at the top of the panal!....finally why are you discussing deadpool in a fight where deadpool doesn't apply?

spiderman can get on a wall and wolverine can follow him up it....not really much of a help there.....can he spray wolvie with webbing...he can sure as hell try.....good luck though...seeing how good it always works against wolvie leaving him completely incapacitated........oooooooooooooor NOT.

spiderman's gonna tire first plain and simple....against wolverine, he already knows he has to go full speed and all out just to stay alive...not win but just stay alive for cripes sake! by the end of that fight spiderman was shaky, fatigued, and had hardly any strength left.....wolverine was fine....spidey tires out first plain and simple......

Cyclops beat him in hand to hand in the first appearance of proteus before they went to Edinburgh it was the second episode somewhere in the late 120's early 130's just before the phoenix saga. All my comics from theat era are still boxed up as I have recently moved house, but if you wish as soon as I get that far with my house I will scan it for you. 😄

yeah i'd like to see that.....

anyways...here's what I don't understand...it's not okay to assume that spidey will be fighting at a level where he gets his ass kicked by guys like punisher, daredevil, etc, etc.....why? because he's fought and beat tuffer guys on a more regular basis right?
yet wolverine takes it to the best marvel h2h fighters in the mu he takes it to powerhouses like the hulk and thing, he takes it to killing machines like omega red...but it's still okay to assume he'll get beat easily because a guy like cyclops has given him one good showing?

that's all I'll say about it foe now...but I'll wait until the scans before I begin my theories etc.....it just seems hard to believe that yclops could ever do anything to logan straight up.....where there any circumstances?

Originally posted by Creshosk

And neither doctor doom nor dazzler are spiderman nor wolverine, so this is just a red herring.
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I just had to come back ( is anyone surprised?)no2

This is not unrelated as Marvel allowed this garbage to happen. And many other inconsistent writings.

If that's not true then how can Wolverine jump 3 stories straight up without having strength that is considered superhuman?

Marvel is not concerned about being consistent at all any more than JJJ is concerned with being honest. It's all about the money.

If wolverine could bench five tons I'd be first in line to say that he can do all that he's been shown to do, AND beat Spider-man.

Since you want to talk about the 100% victories for Wolvy vs Spidey that's cool. But it doesn't mean much considering that they have only fought a few times. If there were only three votes in a poll and they were all for the same person that person has 100% of the votes. Not so impressive. It's funny the way percentages work and thinking about that, being 12% faster than Wolverine IS a WHOLE lot. Either that or wolverine is slow.

You would have to look up at someone 12% taller than you if you were only six feet tall. Since wolverine is ridiculously fast if Spider-man is 12% faster (and considering how he's about 90% stronger he should be more than 12% faster) he should be blindingly fast. Wolverine is fast enough to baffle the senses and Spidey's at least 12% faster. very big deal.

And please explain how wolverine can jump 3 stories without saying "because almighty MARVEL let it happen". If there's anything that can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it's the fact that MARVEL (not the characters) is EXTREMELY inconsistent. Have you ever heard of a no-prize? They give props to people that can catch and explain their F*CK UP'S!!!

So you want to disregard the character's ABILITIES and use their STORIES as gospel?

I will say this at least. I don't think any of the wolvy fan's are totally incorrect. If Wolverine was CAPABLE of jumping three stories (He's been drawn doing it and Spidey's been drawn knocking out the hulk something he's NOT CAPABLE of doing.) they would have a better argument on their hands. But Marvel has screwed their argument by making him a little stronger than Cap and unable to perform feats that require SUPERHUMAN strength. Spider-man can press at least ten tons so it makes perfect sense when he can propel his body five stories.

And that "just because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen." can be reararranged into, Just because you LIKE it doesn't mean it COULD happen.

Would it matter if I liked it when Spidey KO'ed hulk? If I said that Spidey has a 100% KO history over the hulk does that mean he would do it every time?

I'm not hatin on you Wolvy fan's but I'm not going to delude myself into trusting EVERYTHING marvel allows for in it's stories as logical even though there is NO LOGICAL EXPLANATION!! Something happens that couldn't happen, there is no explanation, and I'm just supposed to pretend like I don't KNOW that it couldn't happen. I've said "Bulls*it!" to myself before while reading stories where Spider-man is overwritten.

I'm done for real now, and I'll leave on this note...

Without giving a smart remark....HOW CAN 800 LB WOLVERINE JUMP 3 STORIES WITHOUT SUPER STRENGTH?

PEACE! 😮‍💨