Wolverine vs. Spider-Man · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't think he's inferior my point IS not to go by what a character says to suit you. Which is what creshosk did. I know elecktra would lose 7/10...

So its alright for you to do it despite only choosing when it suits you as opposed to when it;s logical?

You don't think that talking to themself has a higher degree of chance for truth than talking to someone else?

To impress or intimidate the other person?

Jinzin already explained it, but you don't want to lose and you can't bear to see spiderman lose to Wolverine, that's why you make up these arguments and call me a hypocrite, something that you have NO room to do.

There are reasons why I choose to beleive certain things. and they aren't . "Well it makes my character look good." like yours are.

Spiderman lies about giving it everything he's got, and yet you beleive it when hes telling Mary Jane, that he moves 40 times faster than a normal human? You beleive Wolverine when he says that Spiderman can break his neck despite there not being a drop of truth to it?

Yeah I use whwat's logically consistant, you use what suits you. Big difference. And if you can't see the difference you're either gullible or a sore loser.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by willRules
Untrue. storm didn't give up. All we see is her fire a bolt and spidey dodges and jumps up away from her............

and then we don't see her again. What happened where did she go? why didn't she persue?

She gave up. And it was only after one little lightning bolt.

Originally posted by willRules
I agree that was a bit stupid on Rogues part. But (metal grider aside) if she can't break the webbing with what? something like 50 ton strength, theres no way logan can apply enough force to break webbing with his claws like in Marvel knights 13..............

OR you know since there was obviously PIS enacted how do we know she couldn't?

For the sake of the plot this character that can smash through high grade steel with ease can't break the webbing. . . The webbing is not stronger than steel. She just gave up, we don't even see her try.

She doesn't break the girder or anything, we don't se her again either.

Hit_and_Miss I wonder....

cresh.... you once mentioned that several people have broken addy... who were they again???

who?-kid Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
lol.. well i mean we might as well give wolverine the x-men since that's something he fights with on a casual basis.. see where that logic faulters?

I really hope you are not saying that Spider-Man can not use heavy objects to bury Wolverine under... 😕

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by who?-kid
I really hope you are not saying that Spider-Man can not use heavy objects to bury Wolverine under... 😕

The heavy objects cannot be assumed to be there. Other wise you are intentionally giving the favor to one person over the other when you could have a remote right next to Wolverine that would trigger Spider slayer robots to appear, or a 50 ton adamantium tank that just happens to be there for Wolverine to jump into. You wouldn't want that sort of unfair advantage for Wolverine over Spiderman, so why would you expect Spiderman to be given something that he can use just happens to be there?

who?-kid Senior Member

Well, I don't think the thread starter specified where the fight takes place, so it's not more than logical to say it will be in NYC, home of Spider-Man (and now of Wolvie too).

There are tons of heavy objects Spider-Man can use to kick his opponents face in (ask Hulk lol). I can in all honesty say this is not a plot device.

Spider-Man can climb walls (part of his powers). But does that mean he isn't allowed to do that, because he's using part of the environment, and thus it would be "a forbidden plot device" ? Or that the wall was built there especially for Spider-Man ?

Come on now.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, I don't think the thread starter specified where the fight takes place, so it's not more than logical to say it will be in NYC, home of Spider-Man (and now of Wolvie too).

The fight can take place anywhere, as we've seen encounters in sewers, graveyards, rooftops, training rooms, in alleyways, heck the two of them could be on an avengers mission to anywhere when the fight breaks out.

There is no reason to automatically assume that they will be in any one given place.

Originally posted by who?-kid
There are tons of heavy objects Spider-Man can use to kick his opponents face in (ask Hulk lol). I can in all honesty say this is not a plot device.
Spider-Man can climb walls (part of his powers). But does that mean he isn't allowed to do that, because he's using part of the environment, and thus it would be "a forbidden plot device" ? Or that the wall was built there especially for Spider-Man ?
Come on now.

And the rest of your post is based on automatically setting a variable in Spiderman's favor. Discarded.

Hit_and_Miss I wonder....

well if theres no walls lets asume that theres no floors or air.. hey maybe once the fight with flash and wolverine is over(another thread) maybe spider and wolvie can fight there.....

don't be silly cresh.. theres going to be something to websling to or wall crawl on... otherwise your negating spidermans powers.... just like saying wolverine doesn't get to have any addy in his body...

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Originally posted by Creshosk
So its alright for you to do it despite only choosing when it suits you as opposed to when it;s logical?
You don't think that talking to themself has a higher degree of chance for truth than talking to someone else?
To impress or intimidate the other person?
Jinzin already explained it, but you don't want to lose and you can't bear to see spiderman lose to Wolverine, that's why you make up these arguments and call me a hypocrite, something that you have NO room to do.
There are reasons why I choose to beleive certain things. and they aren't . "Well it makes my character look good." like yours are.
Spiderman lies about giving it everything he's got, and yet you beleive it when hes telling Mary Jane, that he moves 40 times faster than a normal human? You beleive Wolverine when he says that Spiderman can break his neck despite there not being a drop of truth to it?
Yeah I use whwat's logically consistant, you use what suits you. Big difference. And if you can't see the difference you're either gullible or a sore loser.

So I believe that he moves 40x faster than a human, and that he can break wolverine's neck, and that elecktra can beat wolverine.

Don't call me biased though. 😆

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well, I don't think the thread starter specified where the fight takes place, so it's not more than logical to say it will be in NYC, home of Spider-Man (and now of Wolvie too).
There are tons of heavy objects Spider-Man can use to kick his opponents face in (ask Hulk lol). I can in all honesty say this is not a plot device.
Spider-Man can climb walls (part of his powers). But does that mean he isn't allowed to do that, because he's using part of the environment, and thus it would be "a forbidden plot device" ? Or that the wall was built there especially for Spider-Man ?
Come on now.

could just as easily take place in the canadian wilderness.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
well if theres no walls lets asume that theres no floors or air.. hey maybe once the fight with flash and wolverine is over(another thread) maybe spider and wolvie can fight there.....
don't be silly cresh.. theres going to be something to websling to or wall crawl on... otherwise your negating spidermans powers.... just like saying wolverine doesn't get to have any addy in his body...

hoe do you know the walls are far apart enough for spiderman to properly maneuver even?

he's stated a dozen times how tight places pretty much bone his agility...

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So I believe that he moves 40x faster than a human, and that he can break wolverine's neck, and that elecktra can beat wolverine.
Don't call me biased though. 😆

and that spiderman gave it everything he had.. otherwise you're being a hypocrite.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So I believe that he moves 40x faster than a human, and that he can break wolverine's neck, and that elecktra can beat wolverine.
Don't call me biased though. 😆

So you beleive things that they say to other characters despite there being no proof for the statements and proof AGAINST it being quite heavy, but you don't believe what they say to themselves?

Yeah, you're either gullible or biased. And since you don't want to be called biased that means you're gullible.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
hoe do you know the walls are far apart enough for spiderman to properly maneuver even?
he's stated a dozen times how tight places pretty much bone his agility...

Wait, because he can't use ALL of his abilities we're negating his abilities?

Then why not have the fight in total darkness with Wolverine having a stealth advantage, otherwise you're denying Wolverine's enhanced senses.

Fights with gambit have to envolve lots of women for him to use his charm ability on otherwise you're denying Gambit some of his abilities.

🙄

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wait, because he can't use ALL of his abilities we're negating his abilities?
Then why not have the fight in total darkness with Wolverine having a stealth advantage, otherwise you're denying Wolverine's enhanced senses.
Fights with gambit have to envolve lots of women for him to use his charm ability on otherwise you're denying Gambit some of his abilities.
🙄

😆

who?-kid Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wait, because he can't use ALL of his abilities we're negating his abilities?

In a way yes. Saying "no walls allowed" is giving an advantage to Wolverine, because Spider-Man fights (sometimes) while standing on a wall or ceiling, or bounces from wall to wall.

But hey, Wolverine may have a few rocks and plants and trees around him if that makes him happy 😉.

Then why not have the fight in total darkness with Wolverine having a stealth advantage, otherwise you're denying Wolverine's enhanced senses.

Total darkness ? Wolverine loses... Spider-Man has fought in total darkness before, only relying on his spider-sense.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by who?-kid
In a way yes. Saying "no walls allowed" is giving an advantage to Wolverine, because Spider-Man fights (sometimes) while standing on a wall or ceiling, or bounces from wall to wall.

No, giving him the wall is giving the advantage to Spiderman. Makeing no assumptions aobut environment keeps it neutral.

OR are you saying Spiderman NEEDS the wall? I personally thought he was better than that.

Cause they HAVE fought in different locations, with and without walls.

But hey lets fight furiously to give Spiderman the advantage, what ever it takes to make spiderman win.

Notice how I'm not really arguing to give Wolverine the advantages?

But I'm constantly arguing against premises that give Spiderman the subjective win? Be it Ad populem or environmental advantages?

Hell I could start arguing that Wolverine gets a 50 ton adamantium tank, or else your'e denying him use of his skills.

But I'm not going to because I'm trying to be objective.

Originally posted by who?-kid
But hey, Wolverine may have a few rocks and plants and trees around him if that makes him happy 😉.
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Total darkness ? Wolverine loses... Spider-Man has fought in total darkness before, only relying on his spider-sense.

So has Wolverine, relying on his own senses, Spiderman seems to have more problems when he can't see. Yes I read the "blind leading the blind" Daredevil and Spiderman comic, but hey, where Is spiderman's impact webbing and stingers?

Oh yeah guess the writers forgot about that. Wolverine tends to do better in Darkness than spiderman does.

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Originally posted by Creshosk
So you beleive things that they say to other characters despite there being no proof for the statements and proof AGAINST it being quite heavy, but you don't believe what they say to themselves?
Yeah, you're either gullible or biased. And since you don't want to be called biased that means you're gullible.

Lol, spiderman moves pretty fast.

You believe he can pierce sound, and move faster than the eye, and you supported him vs wrecker.

Sounds biased to me...

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lol, spiderman moves pretty fast.
You believe he can pierce sound, and move faster than the eye, and you supported him vs wrecker.
Sounds biased to me...

And again you can't counter the point so you resort to "outside measures". That you had complained about other people (Me) doing earlier. But hey if that's the way you want to play

Where did I ever say that he could peirce sound? 🙂 Oh right that's you exagerating my arguments AGAIN.

And I provdided a scan of why I thought that he could move faster than the people could "see", and several others scans. And even DarkCrawler I think it was pointed out real martial artists could move that fast, and how they had to slow the cameras down when taping Bruce Lee.

Yeah I did support him versus the Wrecker? So what? Wrecker was visably hurt during the fight by Wolverine's claws. And?

It's not like I've said that Wolverine could beat godzilla, or Carnage or Venom. Hell I even said Venomwwould beat Wolverine AND Sabertooth. . . yet you've brought up Wolverine vs Godzilla and Carnage against me. And you've mentioned threads that I didn'tr even participate in like that was my thoughts on the matter.

But hey whatever helps you win, be it discrediting your opponents by saying they made arguments they NEVER made, then its a viable tactic right?

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Originally posted by jinzin
and that spiderman gave it everything he had.. otherwise you're being a hypocrite.

Lol, look at the evidence though, he didn't use all of his abilities.

He used a flick, a sling if you will. Wolverine went flying, but now he can't give him a concussion... because?

The cement didnt' crack, because?

Spiderman's not holding back is as believable as batman's not killing.