Originally posted by MetalmanxGood post.
Now's who's the one stretching, Cresh?Yes, Wolverine's reach would be further than Spiderman's reach. But you and I must be seeing this playing out in two different ways.
Wolverine slashes, Spiderman moves his hand/arm out of the way. Then smacks him with either the same hand or the other hand at the end of Wolvie's slash. Since, you know, Spidey is faster and all, this is entirely within his power to do this.
Again, it's not a victory. You won't here me argue that. But I just don't see how anyone of Spidey's caliber would be bested by someone slower than him, weaker than him, not as smart as him, etc (save for the durability due to healing factor).
brainchild81 threw out a good scenario, one that I'm sure has been used before. Dodge Wolverine, web him up, maybe hit him a few times (if Spidey wants), web him again, and then web him face, suffocating him. Now, just in case Wolvie SOMEHOW breaks through the webbing that's held much stronger than him, Spidey can stand there and hold Wolvie's arms so he can't get to his mouth. You can't argue that Spiderman could effortlessly (yes, I said effortlessly) hold Wolverine's hands say...down to his side so he couldn't use them. Spidey could hold his hands at the wrists, so as to not let Wolverine get a chance to slice. Not that he really would, what with the webbing in place, and Spidey holding him there. Now, with Wolvie unable to move at all, and choking the death, what's the problem here?
I have given Spidey no added advantages. I haven't taken away from Wolverine at all. Not once did I mention the word "wall" or some other crazy "plot device". This is Spiderman under his own power, and Wolverine under his own power. With no PIS, CIS, plot devices in the way.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Now's who's the one stretching, Cresh?Yes, Wolverine's reach would be further than Spiderman's reach. But you and I must be seeing this playing out in two different ways.
Wolverine slashes, Spiderman moves his hand/arm out of the way. Then smacks him with either the same hand or the other hand at the end of Wolvie's slash. Since, you know, Spidey is faster and all, this is entirely within his power to do this.
Again, it's not a victory. You won't here me argue that. But I just don't see how anyone of Spidey's caliber would be bested by someone slower than him, weaker than him, not as smart as him, etc (save for the durability due to healing factor).
brainchild81 threw out a good scenario, one that I'm sure has been used before. Dodge Wolverine, web him up, maybe hit him a few times (if Spidey wants), web him again, and then web him face, suffocating him. Now, just in case Wolvie SOMEHOW breaks through the webbing that's held much stronger than him, Spidey can stand there and hold Wolvie's arms so he can't get to his mouth. You can't argue that Spiderman could effortlessly (yes, I said effortlessly) hold Wolverine's hands say...down to his side so he couldn't use them. Spidey could hold his hands at the wrists, so as to not let Wolverine get a chance to slice. Not that he really would, what with the webbing in place, and Spidey holding him there. Now, with Wolvie unable to move at all, and choking the death, what's the problem here?
I have given Spidey no added advantages. I haven't taken away from Wolverine at all. Not once did I mention the word "wall" or some other crazy "plot device". This is Spiderman under his own power, and Wolverine under his own power. With no PIS, CIS, plot devices in the way.
with class 7 fighting skills why is wolverine over exaggerating his attacks and wiffing by such an enormous gap that spiderman can get through his defenses with the same arm? especially when wolvie has 2? 🤨
Originally posted by CreshoskI also forgot that once Wolvie jumps to avoid the webbing, that scenario I posted takes place. Spidey's aim & shoot takes place much faster than a dude w/a gun also. 'Bout 40 times. Maybe more since upgrades. (Organics suck)
Hmm. . there might be a bit of a difficulty getting right to his face once he passes you, cause he will be facing away. He'll probably also trip.Also what's to keep him from fighting to the best of his ability and predicting where Spiderman is going to shoot based on aim?
If wolverine jumps over that, well that creates an interesting thing. . .
Spiderman starts to aim down, Wolverine sees the movement and jumps as Spiderman shoots hitting where Wolverine's foot would have been.
Sort of like with trying to shoot Wolverine's foot with a gun.
So he's air born and traveling at spiderman with his claws out.
Webbing wolverine is not the best idea, as this is not impact webbing and so shooting him with the web won't stop the momentum. Spiderman's sense is warning him as soon as wolverine jumps and Spiderman shoots. Spiderman is probably going to have to dodge or parry. What does he do?
Originally posted by brainchild81So you web up Wolverine's feet while he's in the air? 😕
I also forgot that once Wolvie jumps to avoid the webbing, that scenario I posted takes place. Spidey's aim & shoot takes place much faster than a dude w/a gun also. 'Bout 40 times. Maybe more since upgrades. (Organics suck)
If he dodges, Wolverine is going to be right next to Spiderman If he reaces down he's going to be touching Wolverine's butt. . wolverine's butt is in the way of Spiderman webbing his feet. 😬
Originally posted by jinzin
with class 7 fighting skills why is wolverine over exaggerating his attacks and wiffing by such an enormous gap that spiderman can get through his defenses with the same arm? especially when wolvie has 2? 🤨
Wolverine could have a freakin 30 in fighting skills. As long as Spiderman and Wolverine are as fast and quick as they are, Spidey can get through his defenses as if Wolvie wasn't fighting at all.
Hell, webbing doesn't even need to be involved. Spiderman can LITERALLY just hold Wolverine's wrists and completely incapacitate him, avoiding kicks and such.
Originally posted by brainchild81And how big is a sidestep? 🤨
Then Spidey just kicks his ASS. YEAH!!!!!. 😆I think I used the word "sidestep"
Originally posted by Metalmanxcorrect me if I'm wrong bu Spiderman has normal sized hands so he couldn't hold both wrists in one hand. . .
Wolverine could have a freakin 30 in fighting skills. As long as Spiderman and Wolverine are as fast and quick as they are, Spidey can get through his defenses as if Wolvie wasn't fighting at all.Hell, webbing doesn't even need to be involved. Spiderman can LITERALLY just hold Wolverine's wrists and completely incapacitate him, avoiding kicks and such.
And wolverine can still gffight back, that's not incapacitation. 🤨
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wolverine could have a freakin 30 in fighting skills. As long as Spiderman and Wolverine are as fast and quick as they are, Spidey can get through his defenses as if Wolvie wasn't fighting at all.Hell, webbing doesn't even need to be involved. Spiderman can LITERALLY just hold Wolverine's wrists and completely incapacitate him, avoiding kicks and such.
bullets look like they are movin in slow mo to wolverine but spiderman's going to be multitudes faster than wolverine wven thouh his stats AND feats prove otherwise? 😕...🤨....😂
Originally posted by Creshosk
And how big is a sidestep? 🤨correct me if I'm wrong bu Spiderman has normal sized hands so he couldn't hold both wrists in one hand. . .
And wolverine can still gffight back, that's not incapacitation. 🤨
No no. Holding both hands with BOTH of his hands as well.
Explain to me, seriously, how Wolverine can still fight back.
Even if Spidey didn't dodge the kick, it wouldn't hurt him. Superhuman durability and all. The only real offense that Wolvie has against Spidey is his claws. And with those incapacitated, Wolvie has nothing to damage Spidey with. Seriously, think about if someone was holding your wrists in an un-moving death grip. Now try to attack that person any other way you can. And pretend that other person has superhuman durability.
Do you understand now?
Originally posted by jinzinI've seen Wolvie evade bullets before, but I've seen him shot many times. Where does it say he sees them in slo-mo? You still got that scan of how Spidey webbed Wolvie w/his hands next to his head? I need to see if he had the claws out when Spidey started.
bullets look like they are movin in slow mo to wolverine but spiderman's going to be multitudes faster than wolverine wven thouh his stats AND feats prove otherwise? 😕...🤨....😂
Originally posted by jinzin
bullets look like they are movin in slow mo to wolverine but spiderman's going to be multitudes faster than wolverine wven thouh his stats AND feats prove otherwise? 😕...🤨....😂
And Wolverine is going to somehow be close to Spiderman is speed when Spidey's stats AND feats prove otherwise?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No no. Holding both hands with BOTH of his hands as well.Explain to me, seriously, how Wolverine can still fight back.
Even if Spidey didn't dodge the kick, it wouldn't hurt him. Superhuman durability and all. The only real offense that Wolvie has against Spidey is his claws. And with those incapacitated, Wolvie has nothing to damage Spidey with. Seriously, think about if someone was holding your wrists in an un-moving death grip. Now try to attack that person any other way you can. And pretend that other person has superhuman durability.
Do you understand now?
apparently you don't...
roughouse's durability>>>>>>>>> spidermans
wolverines adamantium kicks and punches>>>>>>>>>> roughouse.
now.. do you get it?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
And Wolverine is going to somehow be close to Spiderman is speed when Spidey's stats AND feats prove otherwise?
yeah, cause spidey's stats and feats don't prove otherwise.. unless you're of course talking about that time that spiderman was claiming he could move at 40 times a humans speed.. though that's not really a stat... 😕