Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh, now your taking out your irritation at a different poster out on me.

You really should take care of your psychological baggage. Lest you develop deeper into the wolverine spite syndrome.

Coming from a guy who just reitorated everything that Wolverine8888 said in bigger words doesn't really mean that you've made a valid point yet. Here are the facts:

Spider-man is:
Faster than Logan
Stronger than Logan
Has better range than Logan
Can jump higher than Logan

Logan only has a few things that would factor in:
Healing factor, but his healing factor honestly isn't as fast as most percieve it to be.
Claws, but the problem there is web lines extend longer than claws, and Spider-Man would be able to fire them much quicker than Wolverine can slash at them.
Combat experience and fighting skill, but those are moot to a person who's been trained by Captain America, and then is quicker, smarter, better range, etc.

So, just about any point that you can give for Wolverine's case is moot compared to what Spider-Man can do.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So you deny your usage of sarcasm?

Which in turn shows you how ineffective your arguments are.

Since there are none. that's not much of a problem. Oh right I keep forgetting that I'm not supposed to follow the rules when arguing against spiderman, I'm supposed to allow him to do whatever he wants, when he wants, because the Spiderman supporters have cornered the market on hypocracy.

Explain to me how he's less versitile than a brick.

No, I'm seeing things clearly. Your eyes are masked by malice and hatred toward some of the more extreme wolverine fans. Tell me if that weren't so what was the basis of this:

Where did it come from? This joke is mocking arguments made by a certain wolverine supporter. if it's not then you must have just come up with it... So why then would you be making fun of wolverine?

Don't try to insult me by lieing to me again.

Change your tone there Creshosk, it would seem Wolveirne fans have the foaming I'll attack anyone in the thread corner marketed..........touche~! I am not masked by malice of hate or anything else this is a comicbook character lol.

I also don't need to use sarcasm with you, its a tool just to wrile people up I am not attempting to do that you do it on your own just fine.

When have I explained any of Spiderman's powers out of use? Never so ok then. Don't turn my question into a question for me to answer about Wolverine's versatility in a fight, just answer my question.

My joke was aimed at Batdude123 who made fun of Wolverine being able to run 500mph, yet I don't see you rushing him for his post. Your just attacking me...............................Yes Spiderman can and will win the majority of fights against Wolverine and has more tools in his disposal at any given time to do it with, which he has proven time and time again fighting different people with different powersets.

Wolverine is a clawed brick.................with fighting skills (which many of them posses as well)

or more accurately compared to what you want him to do.... 🙄

sorry, I'm gonna get to that last page leter tonight if time permits but this ridiculous post gets crushed right now.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Coming from a guy who just reitorated everything that Wolverine8888 said in bigger words doesn't really mean that you've made a valid point yet. Here are the facts:

he IS however forced to reiterate valid points that have already been made because your brain couldn't grasp them the first time around...

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Spider-man is:
Faster than Logan

don't believe me? try sprinting at top speed tell me how long that lasts for ya... remember how spiderman was already scared that wolverine was as fast as himself?

well... there you go...

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Stronger than Logan

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Has better range than Logan

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Can jump higher than Logan

okay again.. how does this help him win the fight? Does it do anything other than postpone the filleting that logan's got in for him?

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Logan only has a few things that would factor in:

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Healing factor, but his healing factor honestly isn't as fast as most percieve it to be.

for instance?

are you aware he's recovered from having his entire torso/groin/thigh area blown into nothing but skeleton by punisher's rocket and was up and walking around in the next issue minutes later? (no KO)

that his organs have been turned to jelly by hulk and reformed by the next hit?

that it allowed him to kiss rogue long enough to cause a psychological relaspe/backlash without being KOed?

that he recovered being NUKED at ground zero?

having 2/3's of his flesh burnt off his body by multiple sentinal explosives and lasers and recovered in minutes?

Got completely engulfed in an inferno ignoring the pain and remaining standing while saving a youth?

the sun?

having his heart ripped out and remaining concious?

or ANYTHING spiderman's EVER physically dished out his way for that matter?

now he's even supposedly regenerated from being beheaded in wwII....

or how about when he had his entire skin and muscle tissue blasted to nothing but meat and bone and he recovered in minutes?

stop trying to belittle his healing factor.. as you can see.. it's not working...

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
having his
Claws, but the problem there is web lines extend longer than claws, and Spider-Man would be able to fire them much quicker than Wolverine can slash at them.

says who? have you seen wolverine's slashing ability?
how about this you trying to incompasitate me with a lasso or silly string. I'll launch at you with some knives and we'll see how things go... lol...

anyways.. wolverine slashes webs that matter, ignores webs that don't (seeing how webbing has to grasp onto something to be effective (i.e. wall.... shooting them straight at logan probably won't do much)... webbing runs out.. claws dont. 😉

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Combat experience and fighting skill, but those are moot to a person who's been trained by Captain America, and then is quicker, smarter, better range, etc.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
So, just about any point that you can give for Wolverine's case is moot compared to what Spider-Man can do.

lol you just said...

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Logan only has a few things that would factor in:

then continued to claim those same attributes were moot....

care to make up your mind? 🙄

anyways.. yeah... I'm done...

Originally posted by soleran30
Change your tone there Creshosk, it would seem Wolveirne fans have the foaming I'll attack anyone in the thread corner marketed..........touche~! I am not masked by malice of hate or anything else this is a comicbook character lol.

I also don't need to use sarcasm with you, its a tool just to wrile people up I am not attempting to do that you do it on your own just fine.

When have I explained any of Spiderman's powers out of use? Never so ok then. Don't turn my question into a question for me to answer about Wolverine's versatility in a fight, just answer my question.

My joke was aimed at Batdude123 who made fun of Wolverine being able to run 500mph, yet I don't see you rushing him for his post. Your just attacking me...............................Yes Spiderman can and will win the majority of fights against Wolverine and has more tools in his disposal at any given time to do it with, which he has proven time and time again fighting different people with different powersets.

Wolverine is a clawed brick.................with fighting skills (which many of them posses as well)

take a large rock.... kick punch and headbutt it all you want.. you have more versatility so you're gonna win right? wrong....

after your hands are bloodied and bruised and eventually broken that rock will still be there as it was before.... abig hunkin rock... and you'll be defeated (by default) in spite of your attributes....

point is, it's not always that simple...

He's not much faster than Logan? You're kidding me, right?

Okay, I'm just going to paint the scenario: Wolverine growls and threatens, and Spider-Man stays out of his claw range, and continuously slams him to walls and such, and finally just does this:

I don't care how it happened in the comic, but this will always be the result.

Originally posted by jinzin
take a large rock.... kick punch and headbutt it all you want.. you have more versatility so you're gonna win right? wrong....

after your hands are bloodied and bruised and eventually broken that rock will still be there as it was before.... abig hunkin rock... and you'll be defeated (by default) in spite of your attributes....

point is, it's not always that simple...

I agree its not, which is why I clarified certain points such as the ability for Spiderman to use his mobilty as an advantage, his webbing as an advantage etc etc...........

Yup a rock is hard but it can be moved and I do not always use my hands either....................Spiderman can go swinging tons of heavy items to bash Wolverine with..............................and if truly thats the case Spiderman certainly wasn't hitting Wolverine as hard as he could at the tombstone(even if it said so) because according to that his hands would have been broken after 2-3 punch's.

My point is not that Wolverine is a jabrone just that there are far more scenarios that Spiderman is capable of winning under.

That doesn't mean Logan cannot win its saying that the parameters for him to win have to be much more norrowly defined. Hence Spiderman walking away with more wins due to that.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
He's not much faster than Logan? You're kidding me, right?

Okay, I'm just going to paint the scenario: Wolverine growls and threatens, and Spider-Man stays out of his claw range, and continuously slams him to walls and such, and finally just does this:

I don't care how it happened in the comic, but this will always be the result.

Non fight isn't a word, and you obviously can't recognize bad writing.

I'm curious how fast do the people supporting Spider-man for a victory believe Wolverine's healing factor to be? To believe that someone in Spider-man's strength class would be capable of physically koing a guy who has shown over and over again the ability to take hits form Marvels Big guns is stretch at best. Wolverine could allow Spider-man to work him over with out putting up an resistance and in all likeliness Spider-man would run out of steam before Wolverine started getting dizzy (assuming Pete didn't break his wrists that is).

Now it is my opinion that Spider-man would beat Wolverine, I have said it many times but it has every thing to do Spider-man's ranged advantage (ie webbing). With out his webbing Spider-man has little chance at all of beating Wolverine... unless Wolverine goes clawless and even then he gets the majority.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
He's not much faster than Logan? You're kidding me, right?

absolutely not, he's never proven to be times faster than any gifted street level with good training excluding some of his rogues, bricks, and the occasional asshat villian of the month....

he's had his moments (secret wars) but those are few and far between and riddled with circumstance on most occasions...

any time a "somebody" decides to take it to spiderman his "I'm 40 times faster than people" B.S. is shown for what it really is and what he's already claimed it to be.... false bravado...

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Okay, I'm just going to paint the scenario: Wolverine growls and threatens, and Spider-Man stays out of his claw range, and continuously slams him to walls and such, and finally just does this:

okay.. let ME paint the scenario... ARENA location = lack of sufficient "walls and such"

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
I don't care how it happened in the comic, but this will always be the result.

It doesn't matter how it happened in the comic as long as you get your way right?

okay then it's agreed.. wolverine is the only one to get a KO in the Wolvie vs. Spidey extravaganza and the only one to get a KILL as well....

doesn't matter how it happened...
cuase wolverine wins....

what a stupid premise...

Originally posted by soleran30
I agree its not, which is why I clarified certain points such as the ability for Spiderman to use his mobilty as an advantage, his webbing as an advantage etc etc...........

Yup a rock is hard but it can be moved and I do not always use my hands either....................Spiderman can go swinging tons of heavy items to bash Wolverine with..............................and if truly thats the case Spiderman certainly wasn't hitting Wolverine as hard as he could at the tombstone(even if it said so) because according to that his hands would have been broken after 2-3 punch's.

My point is not that Wolverine is a jabrone just that there are far more scenarios that Spiderman is capable of winning under.

That doesn't mean Logan cannot win its saying that the parameters for him to win have to be much more norrowly defined. Hence Spiderman walking away with more wins due to that.

I get where you're coming from and I agree that spiderman SHOULDhave broken his hands.. but that's not what happened and I can't change that.. just as you can't change the fact that spiderman DID give it everything he had (unless of course he's a pathological liar to himself and if that's the case this fights full of x-factors that aren't even worth exploring, I mean maybe wolverine DOES have a jobber aura... but that's a hidden power)...

but going with what we DO have to use has evidence, wolverine has better showings, and more powerful overall stats they're just not as obvious...

also if spiderman has to use plot devices to win that's not a win IMO...

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Non fight isn't a word, and you obviously can't recognize bad writing.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm curious how fast do the people supporting Spider-man for a victory believe Wolverine's healing factor to be? To believe that someone in Spider-man's strength class would be capable of physically koing a guy who has shown over and over again the ability to take hits form Marvels Big guns is stretch at best. Wolverine could allow Spider-man to work him over with out putting up an resistance and in all likeliness Spider-man would run out of steam before Wolverine started getting dizzy (assuming Pete didn't break his wrists that is).

which is EXACTLY what happened more or less in the graveyard..

you spidey fans calling it a non fight are damned right that it was a non-fight.. wolverine held back like crazy in that fight...

as for spiderman winning with webbing... in an open arena where wolverine's aware of mutual hostility at the time... well I'm VERY VERY skeptical...

Well then it looks like Spiderman can punch Wolverine all day long then and not get his hands broken.

If Spiderman can pin Wolverine up like that BEFORE he can react in an arena he just webs his feet down and goes from there.

The only thing about this thread is the silly arena setup (on purpose because it was changed from the original post) and the fact Wolverine is a one trick pony and even in an Arena with Spidermans organic webbing he pins wolverine against a wall or the ground whatever.............

Wolverine's stats aren't near as powerful nor are his high end showings minus the ability to take hit even that is dubious as his highs and lows are beyond ridiculuos.

Spiderman 4 the win.

what does account restricted mean?

Originally posted by soleran30
Well then it looks like Spiderman can punch Wolverine all day long then and not get his hands broken.

If Spiderman can pin Wolverine up like that BEFORE he can react in an arena he just webs his feet down and goes from there.

The only thing about this thread is the silly arena setup (on purpose because it was changed from the original post) and the fact Wolverine is a one trick pony and even in an Arena with Spidermans organic webbing he pins wolverine against a wall or the ground whatever.............

Wolverine's stats aren't near as powerful nor are his high end showings minus the ability to take hit even that is dubious as his highs and lows are beyond ridiculuos.

Spiderman 4 the win.

yeah yeah comparing apples and oranges now. Lets not confuse an abstract power rating from shield to what an individual can do in a street fight powerwise.

Originally posted by soleran30
yeah yeah comparing apples and oranges now. Lets not confuse an abstract power rating from shield to what an individual can do in a street fight powerwise.

Originally posted by capt it up
relay now. why does spidemrna have betetr powers?
wolverine is far mroe durable, wolverine stamina is far greater, wolverine healing abilites are far greater, wolverien fighting skills far greater.
wolverine could fight at prime days after spiderman is out cold.

Yup super thats great Wolverine has a lower powerset that he can maintain for longer periods of time......................

Once Again Spiderman can web him and he is stuck, he cannot break it, that will give him plenty of rest in a one on one fight.

Thats just being cheesy as well I mean if its an absolute Arena Spiderman after webbing him can break his webbing make a coccon for Wolverine and ring out Wolverine.

Yes on LURPS or special ops requiring long distance or anything the likes of then yes Wolverine is a military operative however this isn't a battle of military readiness so it makes no difference here.

Originally posted by soleran30
Yup super thats great Wolverine has a lower powerset that he can maintain for longer periods of time......................

Once Again Spiderman can web him and he is stuck, he cannot break it, that will give him plenty of rest in a one on one fight.

Thats just being cheesy as well I mean if its an absolute Arena Spiderman after webbing him can break his webbing make a coccon for Wolverine and ring out Wolverine.

Yes on LURPS or special ops requiring long distance or anything the likes of then yes Wolverine is a military operative however this isn't a battle of military readiness so it makes no difference here.