"objective truth the truth regardless of what anyone thinks of it.
Subjective truth, relativity."
Yea got that about a decade ago......................thats why I used the piece on Marvels use of Master of all Martial arts like they pour out of a water faucet........................yet most of them bone up..........hence where the Hyperbole fits in.
Anyway I believe a bigger question here is if spiderman was a doughnut would wolverine eat him?
Originally posted by SoleranI've eaten spiderman donuts before.. mine was a strawberry jelly filled variety.
"objective truth the truth regardless of what anyone thinks of it.
Subjective truth, relativity."Yea got that about a decade ago......................thats why I used the piece on Marvels use of Master of all Martial arts like they pour out of a water faucet........................yet most of them bone up..........hence where the Hyperbole fits in.
Anyway I believe a bigger question here is if spiderman was a doughnut would wolverine eat him?
I think Wolverine likes donuts, so he might eat a Spiderman donut.
Of course that's more literal take on your question.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I've eaten spiderman donuts before.. mine was a strawberry jelly filled variety.I think Wolverine likes donuts, so he might eat a Spiderman donut.
Of course that's more literal take on your question.
Now here's a fight with a twist!
We make a Wolverine lifesized donut that weighs as much as he does!
We make a Spiderman lifesized donut that weighs as much as he does!
We give our opponents 8 hours......................Wolverine has to eat the Spiderman donut and vica versa!
Who wins in the snack contest of 2 of the most popular hero's in marvel!
I got an X-men comic where they meet up with Shang Chi. I think Shang Chi is at the door to the X-Mansion, and all of a sudden he's jumped by the Hand's Ninjas. Chi is fighting them off, but I think the numbers start to overwhelm him. All of a sudden the ninjas start to retreat. The reason they retreat is because Wolverine shows up. Shang Chi is surprised that they would leave because of one man. For some reason Shang Chi and Wolvie start to fight, and Wolverine pins him with 2 claws on both sides of his face. *puts 2 cents back in pocket*
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There are only four people in Marvel to have been stated to be masters of every Martial Art in an actually comic (excluding random monks from the temple where Shang Chi trained). 1.) Captain America 2) Fu-man Chu 3) Shang Chi and 4) Dragon Fly.Moving Shadow is likely to be as well but it was never said. Is Wolverine? How could we know? He didn't even have memory of his paste to be able to give an answer himself until recently. What he know is that Marvel says he does in the hand books and he has out fought every single one of marvel's A list martial arts at one time or another.
The problem is, WHERE did they get these martial arts?
To my understanding, Cap never travelled in different countries and learned ALL the martial arts of the world. Hell, he had only few months of training after the super soldier serum treatment. Shang-Chi has never travelled around the globe. I can accept that they have mastered all the martial arts if they actually show them training with them, but as long as I only see them using few styles, not having way enough age to master them all (since it take years) and not even going to all the countries in the world to learn them, it is really just hyperbole.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The problem is, WHERE did they get these martial arts?To my understanding, Cap never travelled in different countries and learned ALL the martial arts of the world. Hell, he had only few months of training after the super soldier serum treatment. Shang-Chi has never travelled around the globe. I can accept that they have mastered all the martial arts if they actually show them training with them, but as long as I only see them using few styles, not having way enough age to master them all (since it take years) and not even going to all the countries in the world to learn them, it is really just hyperbole.
I do agree with you about someone logically not being able to master all forms or 5% (i'm very impressed by how knowledgable you are concerning MA as well.. esp. that you knew what chin-na is).
i also agree with S-rank about these things being a part of their character and not to be overlooked.
I don't agree with your statements about never seeing them use fighting styles... because of the intention to make pages interesting poses in action sequences are made more for the eye's appreciation than stylistic accuracy and are incredibly ambiguous as to just what kind of styles we're looking at (this of course doesn't apply to all fights but an overwhelming majority of them).
To be honest, not seeing them use the styles isn't the problem.
But just the sheer ridiculousness of somebody being a master of ALL martial arts styles in the world is crazy.
For example, where would have Captain America learned the Indian martial art Gatka? Has he ever been in India? Met a sikh who is a master in it and taught him everything that he knows? Has Cap ever visited Laos and learned Ling Lom? Did he ever go to New Zealand and practiced some style of Mau Rakau? Did he ever visit Iceland and was taught Glima (Icelandinc wrestling) by a master of that? Did he go to Poland and fully learned Combat 56, a fighting style developed for troop of special commandos? Russia, to learn Spetsnaz GRU hand-to-hand combat style...
Has Cap visited ANY of these countries ever, or has he spent more then a week on them? Because to be a TRUE master of these arts and perfect yourself in it would require at least a year to complete the training. Not to mention that he would constantly apply his training in fighting situations and practicing if he wanted to stay as master (Like anyone who is master of some martial art would).
The list would literally go to forever. I can't just accept that Cap would be a master at Zipota (Spain) or Shintai Kempo (Sweden) because some writer who hasn't studied arts of fighting at all suddenly says that he is master of ALL martial arts of the world. (Hyperbole extravaganza for the win...)
To me, this same applies to all martial artists of the world. I actually think that Wolverine is one of the most skilled (Perhaps most skilled) of street level martial artists, because of his age and the fact that he has probably visited most of the countries of the world. I'd put Batman/Black Panther as second, because they are so rich and don't have to worry about other things then learning and perfecting the arts, plus they started very young.
Captain America is one of the finest human combatants that the world knows, but knowing a multitude of martial arts doesn't necessarily make you one of the best combatants in the world. Cap simply has perfected the usage of five or so martial arts that he is probably best in the world in, and since the combination of these five covers about every area in fighting, he could fight and probably even win someone who would know ten. This is same with the likes of Daredevil, Nightwing, Batman...all of them are complete masters in the particular arts THEY practice, and this enables them to win many fights.
Whereas in Wolverine's case, martial arts wouldn't have much use because of his special powers, but doesn't mean that he doesn't still use or practice them. I've seen him practice them, because he simply likes them. I've seen him use them in battles where usage of his powers would kill his opponents, when he doesn't want to kill someone. Basically, Wolverine has probably combined the best parts of martial arts he knows and practices his own style of fighting. Every comic book martial artist/fighter has his or her own style of fighting.
With the likes of Daredevil, Captain America, and especially Nightwing and Nightcrawler it's acrobatic style combined with few well placed strikes there and here, but their styles aim to disable the enemy, not kill them. That's why you see them doing lot more evading then other characters.
With someone like Wolverine or Punisher, their style is lethal, and they aim to kill/hurt their enemy. This is not to say that they couldn't disable their enemy without killing them, but in their fights, they don't usually have the need to do that.
And people like Hercules, Thor or Namor have combination of boxing/wrestling styles that aim to not be that efficient in disabling their enemies or killing them, but just to beat the living shit out of their enemies until they just lay in the ground and quiver there. And this is just as efficient in their fights as Nightwing or Wolverine would have in their fights. They know how to evade attacks, but usually they don't have need to do that (unless they are fighting someone who can actually hurt them), because of their durability. And their strength and other powers would make this style a lot more efficient then it would be for Punisher or Daredevil.
I don't really think that any comic book character is a true master of many, many martial arts, but they have combined bits and pieces of the ones they have studied in the past, to react into countless varying situations they have in their line of job.
Whew, thats lot of text. 😛