Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

I know how you feel, DC. Same way I felt when I got done assessing Slade's abilities.

like i said.. I agree with the logic to your post.. it makes every bit of sense in the world..

i just don't agree that the logic has any baring on characters who are already stated to know x-amount of M.A.

it's like ignoring a superpower because it doesn't make sense... If we started doing that well....

^ Eh, kinda.

Superpowers are inherrant abilities. You don't learn a Superpower. However, you do learn Martial Arts, making it a little hard to grasp when someone says the know "every martial art."

you're mixing up the premise of the example.. the point isn't where they come from but if they make sense.. neither make sense so both should be discounted for the purposes of these debates... but it doesn't work like that.. described abilities are part of the character like it or not.

Some superpowers have been scientifically explained though. Others haven't. Depends on the hero.

Originally posted by jinzin
like i said.. I agree with the logic to your post.. it makes every bit of sense in the world..

i just don't agree that the logic has any baring on characters who are already stated to know x-amount of M.A.

it's like ignoring a superpower because it doesn't make sense... If we started doing that well....

But superpowers do make sense. It's explained how they got them and how they work. If a character would suddenly exhibit a new superpower with no explanation where it is from, then I wouldn't accept it.

Knowing 1000+ martial arts and being complete master of them with no panel evidence of them even ever practing them, them not having even close enough time to master them, or even visiting the countries where some of these fighting styles come from doesn't make sense however. To me, it's more like a writers mistake...and comic book writers really make mistakes.

once again you're mixin up the premise.. I'm not arguing against ALL superpowers.. the same way DC isn't arguing against ALL characters who know martial arts... I'm arguing against the ones that flat out don't make sense.. we can't disregard them because of such...

that's all...

Lemme give an example: Slade's inhumane pain tolerance.
Slade has control of 90% of his brain functions, making him able to shift into a mode where he can simply ignore pain by shutting the feeling off.

All superpowers make sense in a way or so. No matter how ridicolous it is, it's been explained. If they would explain how someone knows 1000+ martial arts completely when they have been alive for 30+ years, then I would accept it. But when they just say "He is master of ALL martial arts" with no explanation whatsoever, it's just bad writing.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But superpowers do make sense. It's explained how they got them and how they work. If a character would suddenly exhibit a new superpower with no explanation where it is from, then I wouldn't accept it.

Knowing 1000+ martial arts and being complete master of them with no panel evidence of them even ever practing them, them not having even close enough time to master them, or even visiting the countries where some of these fighting styles come from doesn't make sense however. To me, it's more like a writers mistake...and comic book writers really make mistakes.

they do?

okay how does getting bit by a radioactive spider do anything but make a human body sick?

how come spiderman's bone density would suddenly become harder as a result?

how did certain biological spider features transfer to him but others didn't?

that's my point.. they REALISTICALLY can't be explained in a way that makes any sense.. we just have to accept that's the way things are... same goes for people who know every M.A. there is to know.. doesn't make sense, but it's a part of the character...

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Lemme give an example: Slade's inhumane pain tolerance.
Slade has control of 90% of his brain functions, making him able to shift into a mode where he can simply ignore pain by shutting the feeling off.

let me explain.. I'm not arguing against ALL superpowers.. just the one's that don't make sense.. which part of that aren't you quite following?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
All superpowers make sense in a way or so. No matter how ridicolous it is, it's been explained. If they would explain how someone knows 1000+ martial arts completely when they have been alive for 30+ years, then I would accept it. But when they just say "He is master of ALL martial arts" with no explanation whatsoever, it's just bad writing.

Originally posted by jinzin
let me explain.. I'm not arguing against ALL superpowers.. just the one's that don't make sense.. which part of that aren't you quite following?

Getting hostile has absolutely no point.

Though jinzin's arguments have a point. It's not reasonable to even try explaining superpowers in real world terms. Sometimes we just have to accept what is given in comics.

Originally posted by jinzin
they do?

okay how does getting bit by a radioactive spider do anything but make a human body sick?

how come spiderman's bone density would suddenly become harder as a result?

how did certain biological spider features transfer to him but others didn't?

that's my point.. they REALISTICALLY can't be explained in a way that makes any sense.. we just have to accept that's the way things are... same goes for people who know every M.A. there is to know.. doesn't make sense, but it's a part of the character...

All that Spider-Man stuff has been explained in comics. The special radioactivity combined with Spider-DNA mutated his DNA too. It does not make sense scientifically, but in comics it does. It has been explained.

But Wolverine knowing Suntukan, or even visiting Philippines has not been explained in any way. They just state "He has mastered all the martial arts in world".

Originally posted by jinzin
no worse than a guy surviving a gamma nuke sized explosion and turning into a big green skitso monster...

But that has still been explained.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Getting hostile has absolutely no point.

How am I being hostile? 🤨

I didn't insult you, nor did I impose a threatening manner...

You're bringing up red herrings like crazy whether you mean to or not... and I keep having to explain to you the concept I'm trying to convey. You're innacurate comparisons/explainations consistently show that you're not grasping at least SOME part of what I'm saying.. so again.. which part is it?

Originally posted by Tshern
Though jinzin's arguments have a point. It's not reasonable to even try explaining superpowers in real world terms. Sometimes we just have to accept what is given in comics.

exactly.. 😉

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
All that Spider-Man stuff has been explained in comics. The special radioactivity combined with Spider-DNA mutated his DNA too. It does not make sense scientifically, but in comics it does. It has been explained.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But Wolverine knowing Suntukan, or even visiting Philippines has not been explained in any way. They just state "He has mastered all the martial arts in world".

a lot about logan's past has been omitted there's so many x-factors and missing chapters in his life it's not even funny... that's hardly a reason to discard an attribute he's been stated to have.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But that has still been explained.

that's a red herring.. the point is thus... does it make sense in the world as we understand the world to be?