Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by bertran
Ya, so Jinzin is right, this IS a Wolverine v. Spidey thread, but all the same I have to reply to the recent Batman/Spidey debate.
MERCILOUS: Are you kidding me? A normal human with training can now hit harder than Spidey???

Now you've just miss quoted me, Batman is not a regular human with training, He's a peak human with insane amounts of training and chi manipulation.

Originally posted by BIGNASTY
OK i may be off base on this but everyone talks about how spidermans spidey sence would always save him from attack and that noone can ever hit him. but doesn't his spidey sence just tell him that danger is near i mean it don't show him a picture of exactly what will happen so he does not know if a punch is coming from his right , left an uppercut or a bullet coming at him.

Obviously his spidey sense won't save him from everything, opinions that Spidey can dodge everything is biased or ignorant, he's been hit plenty of times by lots of characters including by wolverine.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It tells him where it's coming from.

Yup. If it didn't, what's the use of a spider-sense ? [/B][/QUOTE]

And yet he still can't seem to dodge attacks from basic street level characters, what a shame.

Originally posted by leonidas
"we both know the only way for you to beat me is for you to use all your strength and snap my neck. bang. you win. thing is, i'm bettin' my life you ain't got the guts for that."

sounds pretty black and white. i could go into the sheer ridiculous nature of that skeleton (just because his skull's hard doesn't mean his brain wouldn't be rocketted around his skull like a jumping bean, or how his ligaments and tendons and joints would be rendered unuseable by the stress of receiving blows from someone as strong as spidey) but that's not the issue. i don't understand how you say wolvie could have ended the fight more easily - he could not touch spidey! we clearly viewed the fight in fundamentally different ways.

and wolvie has had his butt kicked by many ninja's and samurai's -- all human though extremely skilled -- many times in his own series and limited series.

You wouldn't be omitting that wolvie was striking with his claws in right? let's see what's harder, snapping an adamantium neck or punching once?

<<You wouldn't be omitting that wolvie was striking with his claws in right? let's see what's harder, snapping an adamantium neck or punching once?>>

nope. most the fight he DID have the claws. spidey also didn't use his webs at all. shows overall what a ridiculous fight it was. spidey'd still win. don't respect him, but not one person has made a single LOGICAL argument how he could beat spidey if spidey was going all out and using webs. but as i said to jinzin - no one's changing wolvie fans' minds, and no one's chaging mine.

That just proves you haven't read this thread, not only have we argued how but we've shown Wolvie dodging and negating the effects of spidey's webbing.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
And yet he still can't seem to dodge attacks from basic street level characters, what a shame.

And then you guys will finally be right!

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
And then you guys will finally be right!

That's some backwards thinking Swank. There are no excuses, Spidey senses just aren't that good, that's the way it's always been. You must have built it up in your head or something.

They're good enough to let him dodge machine gun fire, lightning, and lasers.

But not when masterfully, or creatively fired.

I don't think pulling the trigger with black gloves or with a puppet of a regular finger will make the spidersense fail.

That's just fine, now a real rebbutle please.

What is there I could say that could phase that? If you think there's a difference between a scared thug and a team of snipers for a character that has a sense that tells him when and where danger is then I don't think I can help you.

That's your best, thugs and snipers?

Just forget that he's been shot by cops and basically every street level character.

Well, Mercilous, I'm sorry I couldn't come up with more creative examples to your liking! Maybe I should do more research so I can create gambits more pleasing to those with such particular tastes!

Good.

But seriously spidey dodging thugs and snipers is just fine, but they don't fit into the skill category of the characters we're talking about.

Wolverine seems to have the skill of a rabid beaver that makes everything around it become inept.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Wolverine seems to have the skill of a rabid beaver that makes everything around it become inept.

mercilous says:

<<That just proves you haven't read this thread, not only have we argued how but we've shown Wolvie dodging and negating the effects of spidey's webbing.>>

i don't generally get irked by replies in this forum - hey, to each their own belief i say - but . . .

first - i was having a semi-civil discussion with jinzin, and i seriously doubt he needs - or wants for that matter - YOU fighting his battles.

second - just because YOU 'discussed' something doesn't mean the issue is 'settled' - in other words, i don't much care that YOU believe the issue with webbing was dealt with and dismissed.

third - i was referring to spidey's lack of using his webs in the issue in question. course, knowing what i know now, i understand WHY he didn't use them: clearly spidey caught wind of the fact that YOU have settled the issue and told him the webs would be ineffective.

i was willing to agree to disagree with jinzin - we both have our views as to who will win, and we moved on. no big deal for either of us. i'm willing to do the same with you. clearly you're a wolvie fan and won't move from your stance that he'd beat spidey. no problem. respect my opinion that spidey would beat HIM. but, seriouly, do me a favor - don't tell me what i have or haven't done, it's ignorant and irksome. and besides, the only alternative to it is to force me to express what i think your opinions are truly worth.

and, please, if you insist on rebutting, do it with some class.

<<wolvie's "sphere of ineptitude" power even breaks through
the fourth wall and infects the honest hard-working writing
and editorial staff at mighty marvel comics......>>

amen, zahit.