Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by mr.smiley
Like I said.In issue 108 wolverine survived the huge punch and was back to good by the time they got back to earth.He can take Spidey.

So you're saying if i survive a car accident, then i can take bruce lee?
Or if i get a lucky punch in and survive one, that means i can take him?

Thats the problem with just using these sources in a hypothetical debate, and they should only be for proof, not for much point making. Choosing this here, and determining the outcome by just that, makes it open for too many loopholes.

We know that wolverine can take spidey, but he has to get him to fight on his terms, which spidey doesn't and puts the fight in his control, by being able to avoid him,etc.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Take my own advice? You act like I throw around insults for fun.

I've never done any of this

"Shoo shoo hypocrite. " or even made that rolling eyes or laughing emoticons.

Sure I might make a lot jokes or use a lot of sarcasm; but i'm the funny guy IRL too. Sue me.

I don't need insults to emphasize what i'm trying to say; obviously, you do. You think mocking me is getting you anywhere? Because, after reading these posts, I can most assuradely say that i'm coming off a little better than you.

I'm just saying man, you need to tone it down. Just because you know about seven logical fallacies doesn't mean "you da man" or anything. You're trying to come off as something you are not; which is evident through the huge discrepancies in the nature of your posts.

Preach on, brotha 😄

Originally posted by willRules
More pics please otherwise I'm still rooting for spidey.

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Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
We know that wolverine can take spidey.

Whatever..I can beat bruce lee, but very unlikely

I didn't say Wolverine cant win, he's great but in my opinion.

Wolverine has gotten a boob job in a fake tan in his powers, he hangs with greats much better now, but something just isn't or doesn't feel right. 😉

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine has gotten a boob job in a fake tan in his powers, he hangs with greats much better now, but something just isn't or doesn't feel right. 😉

Those comics I'm showing you are old. . except for that avengers one. . .

you've been hit by, you've been struck by, a smoooooooooooooth criminal.

did we see my speech, Fiery Balrog, what did you think.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
did we see my speech, Fiery Balrog, what did you think.

The bruce lee speech?

seriously...he's literally been punched out of orbit....and was fine...but spidey's gonna knock him unconsious? nu-uh.

anyways.... MISTER here's my point....we've already gave plenty of reasons theories and PROOF to back them up.... so far the most consistant argument from the spidey side of things is that we should ignore the various accounts of direct comparisons that show wolverine in a combative situation against spiderman because bad writing, lack of reality, popularity, lack of consistancy, etc etc.... thus, we should be using their stats......you know this has been a huge argument from the spidey fans, that stats take priority over comic book showings....you also know this isn't how I feel....I'm just making a point here.....at this moment in time spiderman fans have to consent to one of two options...that either stats don't matter all that much because statistics factor out a lot of information and don't always factor in the most important infomormation thus it's possible for characters like batman, captain america, and dd to beat spiderman....or stick to the "stats are all that matters" or "stats matter the most" argument and concede to the fact that marvel has given wolverine better stats than spidey....we (wolverine supporters) have everything we need now...we have the comic book feats on our side, we have spiderman's own thoughts about having to deal with wolverine on our side, we have statistics on our side.....all that's left on the spidey side of the field is speculation and wishful thinking......what else is there to debate? honestly....

Originally posted by jinzin
seriously...he's literally been punched out of orbit....and was fine...but spidey's gonna knock him unconsious? nu-uh.

anyways.... MISTER here's my point....we've already gave plenty of reasons theories and PROOF to back them up.... so far the most consistant argument from the spidey side of things is that we should ignore the various accounts of direct comparisons that show wolverine in a combative situation against spiderman because bad writing, lack of reality, popularity, lack of consistancy, etc etc.... thus, we should be using their stats......you know this has been a huge argument from the spidey fans, that stats take priority over comic book showings....you also know this isn't how I feel....I'm just making a point here.....at this moment in time spiderman fans have to consent to one of two options...that either stats don't matter all that much because statistics factor out a lot of information and don't always factor in the most important infomormation thus it's possible for characters like batman, captain america, and dd to beat spiderman....or stick to the "stats are all that matters" or "stats matter the most" argument and concede to the fact that marvel has given wolverine better stats than spidey....we (wolverine supporters) know have everything we need now...we have the comic book feats on our side, we have spiderman's own thoughts about having to deal with wolverine on our side, we have statistics on out side.....all that's left on the spidey side of the field is speculation and wishful thinking......what else is there to debate? honestly....

...spiderman ain't looking so hot here...

statistics dont favor wolvie at all he has to get spidey on his terms.

Wolvie admitted to having his neck capable of being broken

He also survived, a nuke, but then gets floored by an angry cyclops, nailed across a room by dd, stunned out by a taser, and then stood up to punches from namor w/o falling hmmmmmmmmm.

Anyway, there is something to argue, how is wolvie escaping a vehicle on top of him, without the sufficient strengeth to remove it, and his palms are up or down rendering claws useless. Another car on top of another and another get my point.

And wolverine's healing factor only accelerated, he can't do any special healing feats, which is why there is the skeleton. if he is webbed then drowned, he cannot regenerate his own damaged brain cells, and he needs air to breathe right.

Regardless these are just some points of view and i am interested in hearing an explanation. this isn't saying you are wrong, just throwing possibilities.

Originally posted by FieryBalrog
The bruce lee speech?

No the loooooooooooong one.lol

wolverine admitted to being able to have his neck broken besides not knowing that his skeleton had become bonded at a molecular level...we've already discussed why this is an impossibility....

as for the vehicle thing....Hulk smashed wolverine with a redwood...the smash resulted in an explosion that had the force of a bomb.....wolverine got pissed and shredded/broke right through the tree.....the "explosion" also leveled the ground....I think it's pretty safe to assume that a redwood/or normal tree for that matter weighs more than a car...

Imagine for a second that his hands are ineffective because of the position of the palms being up or down. or by webbing ,and the possibility of the stacks of cars then.

Or that he needs air and cannot regenerate his own brain cells, he can only superhumanly accelarate the damage done.
Secondly, what is the biggest problem YOU see of spidey winning this battle, explain.

giving spiderman the benefit of the doubt that that will even happen...imagine for a second spiderman has to let wolverine hit him in the face once with claws unsheathed...see my point?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No the loooooooooooong one.lol

ah.
😄

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
No Teamates, don't let this articulation and rugged good looks of this guy persuade you from your common sense, he has intelligence, but you have wisdom and enlightenment to counter it, stick to your prudence and dont waddle out your comfort zone.........Use your prudence to discern what is right or wrong and skip the words that you don't understand.

See my problem is not you pointing out the errors in the arguments of others or mine at all, feel free to. But if you are going to point them out and not explain why, its like saying " you're wrong because you're wrong" despite the size of the words you use , which I know the meaning of well, like you said, well dressed shit is still shit. Don't criticize and not explain, if thats too hard than why bother posting?

See there's this thing I don't like called contradiction, or a go against. It's when somebody makes themselves eat their own words. It was said stats alone are insufficient data. Only later to use a tier hierarchy as an valid point. NO, no,no.

It's like subject a saying, that spidey's muscles are stronger and more dense due to his strength. Then B explicitly proclaims this alone is insufficent data. Later subject B says wolvies musles are better because of his larger trapezius, latissimus dorsi, pectoral, and deltoid muscle. That is the contradiction I mean.
We've already established in explicit detail that logic is not an actual fact( what is fact), that it is a genre or library of detail that affects our reasoning,but is agreed upon at the same time, in easy terms. We do however need a common medium to communicate upon. It is good logic to say that a hit to the head is more likely than not to cause unconsciouness or critical damage to the body than the foot, because it is the center of information of the body, and controls functions, and a sufficient blow will shut the brain down, in a minor sense, temporarily, or cause lasting damage etc. etc. Anyone in here with an IQ over 80 (if yours is lower, you shouldn't be here) agrees upon this concept, and it is proven time and time again, therefore it is a good and reliable piece of reasoning and logic to use and support your data with.

Thanks for support while I was at court, and look this over more than once before you respond, please, i want this to be understood and agreed upon by everyone.

*wipes tear*

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four out of four pirates.

pirates rule....ever see ong bak?

now THAT was pirate...

Yea would agree with you on the molecular bonding part, but if its bonding it would be living and gambit is capable of charging the insides of wolvie's face and his claws.

Yes, wolverine has survived these things, but we are saying defeat and not kill. Given wolverine is a great fighter, but against spidey he is disadvantaged severly since he has to get peter to fight at his terms, and peter takes advantage of the offensive, and loves to use an enemies anger, as his ammo. With Wolvie being a good bit brash, and suspectible to irritation like raphael, then there is an easy alternative strategy for someone like Spidey, or michaelangelo. And being the adept problem solver he is , can find that. In the previous fights, he was in trouble due to bad problem solving that he usually has.

Regardless against someone like colossus, that wolverine can't kill in a swipe, he still has the advantage against him, because they fight much on the same terms, giving wolvie full use of the healing factor.

A better comparison would be wolverine and sabretooth. Though sabretooth is better physically, wolverine is the better thinker out of the two and uses his advantages against him, getting the fight on his terms. Or venom and carnage, Venom isn't like spidey, but is still a better thinker than carnage and can get him to fight on his terms,or venom and spidey, these symbiotes could off spidey in a hit, but spidey never really goes hit for hit, or trade punches, but instead uses the enemies own offense against him, and fights them on his terms. Peter invented this, much like a spider, who waits till the enemy is in their comfort zone then initiating the attack, with the chance of success being much greater. This in abscence of stats and abilities, just explaining why the thinking styles of these two explain a better chance happening on some events.

Hope you see where I'm coming from.