Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Started by Creshosk1,019 pages

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Creshok, word to the wise, stop using all the fallacy and logic crap.

A large part of debating is knowing your audience. We're just comic book fans. Any attempt you make at sounding superior by using the same fallacy terms over and over again is just making you come off like an elitist and arrogant prick. Nobody on this board actually gives a, you know what, about them.

The fact that you are guilty of most of the fallacy terms you use doesn't help either.

Anyone want to call him on it?
here
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

Touched a nerve have I? 😆

I debate to the best of my abilities, and now you want me to tone it down. . . why?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Touched a nerve have I? 😆
I debate to the best of my abilities, and now you want me to tone it down. . . why?

Don't EVER tone down your fantastic debating skillz!!!!
You the CAPTAIN!

You havn't touched a nerve Cresh. You're just getting called on your condescending attitude.

And if that is the best of your abilities, then i'm sorry.

See what I did there? Was that an appeal to pity?

Or wait, what was your last post, an appeal to ridicule?

I'm sorry, but after reading "fallacy of exclusion" for the 50th time it gets a little annoying. And a lot of the time it is unwarranted. I mean, if the person hasn't had the time to read 80 pages of thread or is ignorant of the comic people are using as a source than they arn't neccesarily excluding any information they know of.

Oh and like I said, if you going to use all these logical fallacies in an arguement titled "Wolverine vs. Spiderman" than there is a stick shoved up somewhere it shouldn't be. At least adhere to them if you're going to cite them to refute everyones' points.

What do I use to argue? Common sense. 😛

Originally posted by 8bitChris
You havn't touched a nerve Cresh. You're just getting called on your condescending attitude.

And if that is the best of your abilities, then i'm sorry.

See what I did there? Was that an appeal to pity?

Or wait, what was your last post, an appeal to ridicule?

I'm sorry, but after reading "fallacy of exclusion" for the 50th time it gets a little annoying. And a lot of the time it is unwarranted. I mean, if the person hasn't had the time to read 80 pages of thread or is ignorant of the comic people are using as a source than they arn't neccesarily excluding any information they know of.

Oh and like I said, if you going to use all these logical fallacies in an arguement titled "Wolverine vs. Spiderman" than there is a stick shoved up somewhere it shouldn't be. At least adhere to them if you're going to cite them to refute everyones' points.

What do I use to argue? Common sense. 😛

"Hey pot!"
"Go away kettle!"

😆

Mostly its the same people, and I have already explained to them what it is. You can hide it all you want but I see right through you.

Now why don't take your own advice? Kay? 🙂

Shoo shoo hypocrite. 🙂

Take my own advice? You act like I throw around insults for fun.

I've never done any of this

"Shoo shoo hypocrite. " or even made that rolling eyes or laughing emoticons.

Sure I might make a lot jokes or use a lot of sarcasm; but i'm the funny guy IRL too. Sue me.

I don't need insults to emphasize what i'm trying to say; obviously, you do. You think mocking me is getting you anywhere? Because, after reading these posts, I can most assuradely say that i'm coming off a little better than you.

I'm just saying man, you need to tone it down. Just because you know about seven logical fallacies doesn't mean "you da man" or anything. You're trying to come off as something you are not; which is evident through the huge discrepancies in the nature of your posts.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
Take my own advice? You act like I throw around insults for fun.

I've never done any of this

"Shoo shoo hypocrite. " or even made that rolling eyes or laughing emoticons.

Sure I might make a lot jokes or use a lot of sarcasm; but i'm the funny guy IRL too. Sue me.

I don't need insults to emphasize what i'm trying to say; obviously, you do. You think mocking me is getting you anywhere? Because, after reading these posts, I can most assuradely say that i'm coming off a little better than you.

I'm just saying man, you need to tone it down. Just because you know about seven logical fallacies doesn't mean "you da man" or anything. You're trying to come off as something you are not; which is evident through the huge discrepancies in the nature of your posts.

I fight people with their own logic. don't like the way I'm responding, drop the "You a big doodoo head" tactic.

If you dress shit up to look really pretty, it's still just fancy shit. And that's how you're coming off. "You're a big meany, and noone's going to like you!"

You're condecending to me and telling me not to be so condecending? 🙂

there is a stick shoved up somewhere it shouldn't be.

🙂

you a big doodoo head.

I'm condescending to people who deserve it. I don't just do it for the hell of it.

And uh...you're ugly. nah nah boo boo.

OK Creshosk I am going to assume I can point out these characters stats without this fallacy stuff being thrown at me.

Wolverine healing factor is the only thing Spider-man has to worry about in this fight. Dodging wolverines claws is like dodging a guy with knifes. Not forgetting spidey dodges bullets in his sleep.

Originally posted by willRules
Wolverine healing factor is the only thing Spider-man has to worry about in this fight. Dodging wolverines claws is like dodging a guy with knifes. Not forgetting spidey dodges bullets in his sleep.
Yup, and that's what gives him the edge in this fight, that and the adamantium bones.

He may not be quite as fast as spiderman, but he's fast enough to give Spiderman a hard time.
He may not be as strong as spiderman, but he doesn't need it as Spiderman isn't bullet proof and Wolverine has those claws.
He may not be as agile, flexable or what have you but he has still consistantly given spiderman a hard time.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
I'm condescending to people who deserve it. I don't just do it for the hell of it.

And uh...you're ugly. nah nah boo boo.

People YOU think deserve it. But by saying I deserve it you are STILL condesending to me as you are saying that YOUR opinion is objective truth.

[QUOTE=4077363]Originally posted by Creshosk
Yup, and that's what gives him the edge in this fight, that and the adamantium bones.

He may not be quite as fast as spiderman, but he's fast enough to give Spiderman a hard time.
He may not be as strong as spiderman, but he doesn't need it as Spiderman isn't bullet proof and Wolverine has those claws.
He may not be as agile, flexable or what have you but he has still consistantly given spiderman a hard time.
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Bullets dont give spiderman a hard time so are you saying wolvie is faster than a bullet?

Spiderman's strength will hurt wolverine. FULL STOP.

You just proved my point. Wolvie isn't as flexible or as fast or as strong. He doesn't have a inbuilt warning system. He doesn't have webbing to render claws useless.

What wolverine does have (and ill give you this) is a huge fan base. Which means if enough people like him (which they do) he will always be written in a good light.

Originally posted by willRules

Bullets dont give spiderman a hard time so are you saying wolvie is faster than a bullet?
Does he need to be? You're ignoring their fully hostile encounters in the comics. You are ignoring evidence. That's slothful induction

Originally posted by willRules
Spiderman's strength will hurt wolverine. FULL STOP.
Funny how it hasn't.

Originally posted by willRules
You just proved my point. Wolvie isn't as flexible or as fast or as strong. He doesn't have a inbuilt warning system. He doesn't have webbing to render claws useless.
The webbing doesn't render the claws useless, the claws cut right through the webbing.

Originally posted by willRules
What wolverine does have (and ill give you this) is a huge fan base. Which means if enough people like him (which they do) he will always be written in a good light.
And spiderman is hated right? Funny I thought a spiderman supporter said that

"Wolverine fans are jelous that Spiderman is their number one"

I guess that means that Spiderman has the larger fanbase. Which means that "if enough people like him he will always be written in a good light".

Oh I guess Marvel doesn't know how to write their characters properly. Boo hoo. . . *sniffle*

Dude each of the times they fought in the comics Wolverine gave him a hard time. Ignoring the evidence won't help you.

Both are popular, so don't give me any of that escapist crap.

There are a LOT of enemies that Spider-man could cocoon and totally incapacitate. The fact of the matter is that would be boring and nobody would be impressed.

He cocooned Demigoblin and he is much stronger than wolverine. And faster.... and he flies...

Get it? 😮‍💨

Originally posted by The MISTER
There are a LOT of enemies that Spider-man could cocoon and totally incapacitate. The fact of the matter is that would be boring and nobody would be impressed.

He cocooned Demigoblin and he is much stronger than wolverine. And faster.... and he flies...

Get it? 😮‍💨

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Originally posted by Creshosk
Those people obviously are in denial over what happened, and have a skewed vision of their idol that they worship. There was that one time wolverine beat spiderman on accident, that points at an indication that if in their previous encounters had wolverine not respected spidermanb and wanted him dead, he would have been from their first fight.

I am new here on these forums, so maybe it's a stupid question, but you could please specify in which fights Wolverine had a clear victory over Spider-Man ?

Thanks.

Originally posted by who?-kid
I am new here on these forums, so maybe it's a stupid question, but you could please specify in which fights Wolverine had a clear victory over Spider-Man ?

Thanks.

Any fight where he got a clean punch off on spiderman with his claws sheathed. . .

Like I said.In issue 108 wolverine survived the huge punch and was back to good by the time they got back to earth.He can take Spidey.

More pics please otherwise I'm still rooting for spidey.

No Teamates, don't let this articulation and rugged good looks of this guy persuade you from your common sense, he has intelligence, but you have wisdom and enlightenment to counter it, stick to your prudence and dont waddle out your comfort zone.........Use your prudence to discern what is right or wrong and skip the words that you don't understand.

See my problem is not you pointing out the errors in the arguments of others or mine at all, feel free to. But if you are going to point them out and not explain why, its like saying " you're wrong because you're wrong" despite the size of the words you use , which I know the meaning of well, like you said, well dressed shit is still shit. Don't criticize and not explain, if thats too hard than why bother posting?

See there's this thing I don't like called contradiction, or a go against. It's when somebody makes themselves eat their own words. It was said stats alone are insufficient data. Only later to use a tier hierarchy as an valid point. NO, no,no.

It's like subject a saying, that spidey's muscles are stronger and more dense due to his strength. Then B explicitly proclaims this alone is insufficent data. Later subject B says wolvies musles are better because of his larger trapezius, latissimus dorsi, pectoral, and deltoid muscle. That is the contradiction I mean.

We've already established in explicit detail that logic is not an actual fact( what is fact), that it is a genre or library of detail that affects our reasoning,but is agreed upon at the same time, in easy terms. We do however need a common medium to communicate upon. It is good logic to say that a hit to the head is more likely than not to cause unconsciouness or critical damage to the body than the foot, because it is the center of information of the body, and controls functions, and a sufficient blow will shut the brain down, in a minor sense, temporarily, or cause lasting damage etc. etc. Anyone in here with an IQ over 80 (if yours is lower, you shouldn't be here) agrees upon this concept, and it is proven time and time again, therefore it is a good and reliable piece of reasoning and logic to use and support your data with.

Thanks for support while I was at court, and look this over more than once before you respond, please, i want this to be understood and agreed upon by everyone.