Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He's compared, he's not faster.

Wolverine is low, low, low meta, high high high peak in speed and strength, his super high healing is what is truly meta.

I never said he was faster but he has got to be extremely close or equal to Spidey for Spiderman to even mention his speed during combat situations. Example... his fight against Daken when Daken slashed him in the back.

Wolverine is meta in speed and peak in strength... his healing factor is one of the things that aids him as well along with his adamantium claws. Wolverine is just as dangerous "without his healing factor" and this was proven when he defeated the team up of Sabertooth, Omega Red, and Lady Deathstrike.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine is just as dangerous "without his healing factor" and this was proven when he defeated the team up of Sabertooth, Omega Red, and Lady Deathstrike.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
And I'm sure there is no context behind this 🙄

Actually it was him who got beaten and he was wearing Hudson's suit and Creed wasn't there.

Wolverine's been superhumanly fast since the beginning of his career. He even became faster over the years. He's faster than Namor and Thor.

Somehow that doesn't make him a true meta in speed? 😐 Riiiight...

And carver - peak in strenght? Wtf? Maybe if you take away his HF and adamantium and even then I can think of a feat that is pretty impressive.

Daken's vanishing trick = pheromones.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually it was him who got beaten and he was wearing Hudson's suit and Creed wasn't there.

Wolverine's been superhumanly fast since the beginning of his career. He even became faster over the years. He's faster than Namor and Thor.

Somehow that doesn't make him a true meta in speed? 😐 Riiiight...

And carver - peak in strenght? Wtf? Maybe if you take away his HF and adamantium and even then I can think of a feat that is pretty impressive.

Daken's vanishing trick = pheromones.

I know Daken pheromones had something to do with his blitz on Spidey but that makes it even more interesting because Spiderman compared that blitz to Wolverines speed even though pheromones was involved. Basically Wolverine was compare to an invisible tactic used by Daken messing with Spidey senses.

Originally posted by carver9
I know Daken pheromones had something to do with his blitz on Spidey but that makes it even more interesting because Spiderman compare that blitz to Wolverines speed even though pheromones was involved. Basically Wolverine was compare to an invisible tactic used by Daken messing with Spidey senses.

Ah, you're correct.

Originally posted by carver9
I know Daken pheromones had something to do with his blitz on Spidey but that makes it even more interesting because Spiderman compared that blitz to Wolverines speed even though pheromones was involved. Basically Wolverine was compare to an invisible tactic used by Daken messing with Spidey senses.

One problem with the idea of Wolverine being as fast as Spider-man. Imagine you're fighting your own clone, who has the same speed as you, BUT is more skilled and has knives in both hands. I assure you in close combat you'd get skewered in 0.5 seconds. Now, we've seen Spider-man fight Logan in CQC and dodge just fine. If their speed really was the same there'd be no way in hell he could do that concidering he lacks the skills. Seriously, assuming that spider sense is the only reason he can fight Logan in CQC = downplaying Parker a lot.

Originally posted by SamZED
iirc he only compared his speed to Wolverine's after he saw him dodge the webbing. Had nothing to do with the pheromones.

He hasn't seen shit actually, that's the point. Daken's vanish is his trademark move, like Batman's kick or Cap's shield throw...

Originally posted by SamZED
iirc he only compared his speed to Wolverine's after he saw him dodge the webbing. Had nothing to do with the pheromones.

One problem with the idea of Wolverine being as fast as Spider-man. Imagine you're fighting your own clone, who has the same speed as you, BUT is more skilled and has knives in both hands. I assure you in close combat you'd get skewered in 0.5 seconds. Now, we've seen Spider-man fight Logan in CQC and dodge just fine. If their speed really was the same there'd be no way in hell he could do that concidering he lacks the skills. Seriously, assuming that spider sense is the only reason he can fight Logan in CQC = downplaying Parker a lot.

I never said that Spiderman and Wolverine "agility" was the same. Spiderman also has a Spider Sense that aided him in the past against Wolverine... he was always a step ahead before Wolverine initial attack. If they were to fight now, it would not play out the same imo.

Then we have Spiderman basically being saved b writers when facing Wolverine. If Wolverine wants to kill Spiderman, he can. Look at Marvel Knights #13... even though it was a sparring, Spiderman was trying to dodge Wolverine claws and got stuck in the chest and it wasn't hard for Wolverine to do it either. Then we have Captain America outright running through an upgraded Spiderman and was easily landing blows on him and Cap has also had issues with Wolverines speed as well.

Is Spidey fast? He sure the hell is, is Wolverine fast, he sure the hell is... who is faster is debatable. What we do know is Spiderman had a spider sense while facing Wolverine before... without it, Wolverine would land more blows imo.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said he was faster but he has got to be extremely close or equal to Spidey for Spiderman to even mention his speed during combat situations. Example... his fight against Daken when Daken slashed him in the back.

Wolverine is meta in speed and peak in strength... his healing factor is one of the things that aids him as well along with his adamantium claws. Wolverine is just as dangerous "without his healing factor" and this was proven when he defeated the team up of Sabertooth, Omega Red, and Lady Deathstrike.

Spider-Man mentioned he was 40x faster than a human. Going by their histories he is faster. Crossover matches always put them close to "even" for the sake of selling a story, not really good evidence.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He's not nearly as dangerous without his hf. He relies on int more than Spider-Man does his SS that's for sure.

Spider-Man mentioned he was 40x faster than a human. Going by their histories he is faster. Crossover matches always put them close to "even" for the sake of selling a story, not really good evidence.

How much faster do you think Wolverine is over a human? You do know Wolverine blitzed an entire crew of armed military men and cut the barrells off of their guns before they even realized they were under attack or even got the chance to move a muscle. Forty times faster than a human is with logan range. Hell, Logan punched 4 men that were circled around him and knocked them out and they didn't even see him move.

I feel safe to say that Wolverine is 40 times faster as well.

Wolverine's best feats put him at least well into low hypersonic reaction range.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Wolverine's best feats put him at least well into low hypersonic reaction range.

Going by PURE speed feats... Wolverine>Spiderman imo. Going by agility... Spiderman>>Logan. Wolverine showings involving speed is superior than Spidermans imo.

How the hell is spiderman winning this poll 61 to 39?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
How the hell is spiderman winning this poll 61 to 39?

He's more popular.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
How the hell is spiderman winning this poll 61 to 39?

It's a poll. People don't care about polls. 90% of the votes were probably random ones from '05.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
How the hell is spiderman winning this poll 61 to 39?

I think a lot of people have lost respect for him after awhile. not because he sucks or anything but (Imo) it gets old seeing him heal from practically everything all the time. im a deadpool fan and haven't been reading his book for kinda the same reason.

I think my stop point on logan was when he got hit by that nuke and healed up fine. Don't get me wrong i enjoy his character but mostly while he's on a team.

Spider-Man always had haters when he went up against peak ma characters on the forum, but the only people who were against him were Wolverine supporters and other MA supporters. The forum consensus was overall good. Now with the story arcs some may have lost hope for him. But some of this stuff is getting ridiculous. Wolverine is now faster than Spider-Man? What next? Him being stronger?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
How the hell is spiderman winning this poll 61 to 39?

Originally posted by carver9
How much faster do you think Wolverine is over a human? You do know Wolverine blitzed an entire crew of armed military men and cut the barrells off of their guns before they even realized they were under attack or even got the chance to move a muscle. Forty times faster than a human is with logan range. Hell, Logan punched 4 men that were circled around him and knocked them out and they didn't even see him move.

I feel safe to say that Wolverine is 40 times faster as well.

Unless Wolverine moves several times faster than the speed of sound he isn't turning invisible, and he's never protrayed anything of the sort. And now you're saying he's actually faster than Spider-Man? Goodness. It must be the times that are changing. Then again the only people who would argue this argue Wolverine against everybody.

Is Wolverine even faster than Beast or Nightcrawler? And by the way Wolverine was shot by a gun with purple goo that Spider-Man had no problem dodging.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually it was him who got beaten and he was wearing Hudson's suit and Creed wasn't there.

Wolverine's been superhumanly fast since the beginning of his career. He even became faster over the years. He's faster than Namor and Thor.

Somehow that doesn't make him a true meta in speed? 😐 Riiiight...

And carver - peak in strenght? Wtf? Maybe if you take away his HF and adamantium and even then I can think of a feat that is pretty impressive.

Daken's vanishing trick = pheromones.

All of the "feats" that are being brought up have been done by dozens of street levelers. At the end of the day Parker is still faster.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Actually Wolverine was always stated as peak or enhanced. I would say he is high peak in speed or low enhanced, only Spider-Man has been stated as true superhuman. By comic terms.

All of the "feats" that are being brought up have been done by dozens of street levelers. At the end of the day Parker is still faster.

When was he stated as peak? I know of only one book. He was dancing circles around Wendy and Hulk in his first appearance and Hulk's reflexes are without equal according to freakin Mandarin. In the old UXM issue he sliced Colosso (the Danger Room robot) faster than the eyes could see.

Not at all. Wolverine has loads of feats that I haven't seen replicated by non-superhuman streets.

Parker is faster a bit, but if you really believe that he has meta speed and Wolverine doesn't... well, Spidey is the slowest meta then 😆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
When was he stated as peak? I know of only one book. He was dancing circles around Wendy and Hulk in his first appearance and Hulk's reflexes are without equal according to freakin Mandarin. In the old UXM issue he sliced Colosso (the Danger Room robot) faster than the eyes could see.

Not at all. Wolverine has loads of feats that I haven't seen replicated by non-superhuman streets.

Parker is faster a bit, but if you really believe that he has meta speed and Wolverine doesn't... well, Spidey is the slowest meta then 😆