Holes in The Matrix Movies

Started by The Unknown41 pages

Maybe when Neo entered the Architect's room and touched the source, a connection stayed with him when he left the Matrix. Since he had the connection, he was able to stop the machines, but it sent his mind back into the Matrix.

Interesting thought 😒

Has nobody here read my theory about Neo's connection to the matrix and super user privledges? I explain in strong detail how Neo is able to kill squiddies and control other machine related things in the real world. This would also explain how Neo would be able to see "Fire Smith" in the real world. Here it is in brief:

We know that the Machine mainframe is the source, as Stated in Neo's conversation with the Oracle in Reloaded.

However, the Architect declares that he is the one who programmed the matrix, this would make him the source of the matrix program itself. This, I believe is how Neo "touched" the source without entering the source.

It works like this:
Think of the machine mainframe as a Unix server. Your access flow chart would look like this:

Root access at console station --> root access through network connection --> Root permissions inside networked shell access (no access to actual root, just the ability to manipulate things as if you were the Admin user) --> User access with extended permissions (Neo inside teh matrix) --> User access (all other bodies inside the matrix short of programs)

Hope you followed that because we're now going to use it. Neo, and all other people inside the matrix, are just users of the system. The program is stored in the buffer of each individual person so if the system is updated there is no temporary loss of connection between those plugged into the matrix and the Mainframe server. Neo gained extended permissions inside the Matrix program because of the anomaly code he carries (his subconscious rejected the programming upon birth and is only now coming to fruitation). When he "died", the traumatic experience triggered an extreme manifestation of the code because his mind has already rejected the Matrix, so the matrix cannot kill his mind. Once he's gained these "extended permissions" he starts on the path to the Source, the machine mainframe, and our unix server.

When he visits the Architect, he is also exiting the Matrix program, while staying connected to the machine computer network. (just as the backdoors appear to be on the outside of the matrix program) By doing this he is entering a "shell account" on the mainframe to communicate with the Architect. This, and his interaction with the Architect, inadvertently give Neo root permissions (super user access) on the system. The machines never had to worry about this before, as the anomaly always chose to save the species as a whole, but understood the possibility of the anomaly choosing to re-enter the matrix. When Neo does this, he does not loose his super-user status, however, and as he has touched the source, his mind does not completely disconnect from the matrix computer system.

The machines would need a wireless network capability since so many of them are mobile, yet they all seem to have a central intelligence, so they all know what's going on, both inside, and outside of the matrix. Because of the implants in the humans that are used to connect them to the matrix, they can pick up on the signal, but, their brains do not interpret the signals because it is weak compared to their sensory input, and is not a connection to the Matrix program, but to the actual machine mainframe system (the SOURCE)!! Because Neo now has root access on the Machine Mainframe, he is not locked out of that portion of the signal, so his brain can interpret the data received -- thus allowing him to "feel" the Sentinels as he does the Agents inside the Matrix. The Bane version of Smith has the same root access to the mainframe, so he would know where the sentinels are to, say, discharge EMP before they are within range, AND destroy resistance ships (as it happened at the end of Reloaded). Also, sentinels would know that Bane is really the program Smith, so they would not kill him upon sight, but rather let him infiltrate the resistance ranks.

Neo would be able to see Bane for what he is, Smith, in Revo because it appears that he is blinded. I will not go into great detail about some of the clips I've seen that may be considered spoilers, but in all released trailers you see Neo wearing a blindfold at some point. What appears to have happened is that he was blinded with his fight with Bane in the real world, but is still able to "see" in much the same way he does in the matrix, and that's because of his connection with the machine mainframe. Consider the "fire world" you see as the real world, and that it is like receiving a realtime, 3D broadcast of the world around you from your reference point -- NOT beyond the machine capabilities to uplink data to, say, sentinals.

When Neo sees Fire-Smith, he's not blind. And the machines are against Smith, so the sentinals wouldn't spare Bane/Smith.

Unknown

Actually, from footage I have seen (ask JKozzy for the High Res site - and examine frame by frame if you must) it seems quite apparent Neo is blinded while fighting with Bane and the EMP gun. It is after this that we see the so-called fire world.

Also, Neo is blind when he goes to visit Ex Duex and says that he will stop Smith.

Thridly, the Machines would let Smith go if they still felt that the human race was their biggest threat, especially if they wished Neo was destroyed. However, we do not know what was agreed upon between Neo and Ex Duex...but we shall find out tomarrow if I'm right or not!! 😄

oracle can enter the real world if instead of a Zionide she picks up the phone
the person there in the world will keep his or her original body but his/her mind will be oracle's

Osiris

The only person who has displayed the ability of taking over another's mind is Smith. The Oracle has not left the matrix...

Any program can't just pick up the ringing phone and be sent into a body. The phone call sends whoever picks it up into THEIR OWN body. It's not specific, because the operators don't know who's going to pick it up first.

no, thats not true, the operators are there to send the mind back to the correct body. the signals just need a body. the operator can see who is picking up the phone, routing the call to the correct "destination"...they do exactly what telephone operators do.

Then why would the operator allow Smith to go into Bane's body?

Im pretty sure he didnt know it had happened. He was just phoning to get bane out as smith was being taken over, but because no-one recognises the code when smith takes someone over, they just assumed it was nothing

1. The operator could have stopped the call before Smith picked up the phone, as seen in The Matrix.
2. If a program with an unknown code attacks Bane, and then Bane's coding is altered and now matches the program's code, I think the operator would get a little suspicious...

The Unknown

They did not know what was happening since they've never seen it before, and Bane did not die in the physical sense. They've only ever delt with programs killing people, not hacking and copying over them -- so they had really no reason to suspect that Bane died, since his vitals are still quite good.

Originally posted by JediHDM
no, thats not true, the operators are there to send the mind back to the correct body. the signals just need a body. the operator can see who is picking up the phone, routing the call to the correct "destination"...they do exactly what telephone operators do.

thats it. eactly what i was saying.
obviously when smith copied himself onto bane, it was a new thing 4 the operator. probably he got stunned or ambigious.
another point is , when smith copies hinmself onto someone else, we can say that operator is still taking that code as that person's who was copied!!!!!!!????????

this is for whoever thinks 'Why did Neo not stop the agents or other people, when he could stop bullets.?"
i am not a comp. geek, but what i think is every program has security systems for it some which can be broken and some which cannot. so maybe neo couldnt break the security of the programs realted to agents and other villians. and then again there is the fact that everything is preprogrammed and is supposed to happen as it does.
what do ya guyz think?

Originally posted by Osiris
thats it. eactly what i was saying.
obviously when smith copied himself onto bane, it was a new thing 4 the operator. probably he got stunned or ambigious.
another point is , when smith copies hinmself onto someone else, we can say that operator is still taking that code as that person's who was copied!!!!!!!????????

No, then Link would have said, "It's reading like a normal person." He said, "it's not reading like an agent."

Link didn't say that about Bane - Link said that about smith, but it's also taken out of context because we know that Neo was there with the Oracle, and Link said "whatever it is it's not reading like an agent." Opperative words being: "Whatever it is."

Also, Morpheus's crew is the most devote crew to the prophecy, many of the other crew's would not be looking for "oddities" like an agent that didn't look like an agent. They didn't even believe that the Agent could come back! So it makes sense that Bane would not have been disputed after being attacked by Smith since he did not die.

if bane is plugged into matrix...what happens?

If Bane is plugged into the matrix after Smith has taken over him, you would simply just see Smith on the inside.

If Link said "Whatever it is" then that means that it didn't look like anything that he had seen before. Now think, if you were an operator, and your crewmember was attacked by an unknown program, and your crewmember became an unknown code, wouldn't you get suspicious?