Originally posted by Metamorphisis
When an agent is killed, the host dies, this was shown on the rooftop in M1. That does not, however, mean that the agent dies. The agent would live, but should return to the source - Smith did not, and was altered in the process, before he took a new host.
Uh... we already knew that...
No, I disagree Yohan. The machines were far superior in numbers, and without weapons. The fight sequent brought to mind a debate I had in a world history class several years ago: If you took the UN military and lined every soldier up shoulder to shoulder with an infinate amount of ammunition for each soldier, and the Chinese were to charge the line with only pitch forks, knives, and the like, the Chinese would overwhelm the UN military's line of defense and win the battle out of sheer numbers. They didn't care about getting their asses kicked, the sentinals were quite obviously using themselves as sheilds to protect the diggers, and they were charging in massive swarms protecting each other, garenteeing that if some were shot down, there would still be many who would break through. It is a tactic that works, but only for those who do not fear death - as machines do not. It originates in the orient because it is a life philosophy. You are simply looking at it as if the machines thought about death in the same manner that we do -- but instead they are just following orders with no reguard to their death in order to protect the whole.
And using a suicide bomber would not have been nearly as effective. Why? Because in order for it to be completely effective there would have to be a 100% garentee that it could hit it's mark before detonating, and that is never a garetee with suicide bombings. Plus there would have to be a detonation large enough that it quite possibly could have/would have disrupted the breeding fields, machines power supply, and even the matrix itself. If you have the numbers, then why not use them to your advantage?
The problem is that many are reguarding AI as having the same values upon life as we do, but the fact is they are just intelligent machines, and there is no life expectancy so there is no need to hold a value to life, or other things that are inherintly human. If you understand this then there is nothing odd about what the machines did.
dave123
250,000 sentinals was just an estimate, and that included only what the Osiris was able to see and locate, not the possible massive numbers elsewhere and even still in production!
Originally posted by Metamorphisis
No, I disagree Yohan. The machines were far superior in numbers, and without weapons. The fight sequent brought to mind a debate I had in a world history class several years ago: If you took the UN military and lined every soldier up shoulder to shoulder with an infinate amount of ammunition for each soldier, and the Chinese were to charge the line with only pitch forks, knives, and the like, the Chinese would overwhelm the UN military's line of defense and win the battle out of sheer numbers. They didn't care about getting their asses kicked, the sentinals were quite obviously using themselves as sheilds to protect the diggers, and they were charging in massive swarms protecting each other, garenteeing that if some were shot down, there would still be many who would break through. It is a tactic that works, but only for those who do not fear death - as machines do not. It originates in the orient because it is a life philosophy. You are simply looking at it as if the machines thought about death in the same manner that we do -- but instead they are just following orders with no reguard to their death in order to protect the whole.And using a suicide bomber would not have been nearly as effective. Why? Because in order for it to be completely effective there would have to be a 100% garentee that it could hit it's mark before detonating, and that is never a garetee with suicide bombings. Plus there would have to be a detonation large enough that it quite possibly could have/would have disrupted the breeding fields, machines power supply, and even the matrix itself. If you have the numbers, then why not use them to your advantage?
The problem is that many are reguarding AI as having the same values upon life as we do, but the fact is they are just intelligent machines, and there is no life expectancy so there is no need to hold a value to life, or other things that are inherintly human. If you understand this then there is nothing odd about what the machines did.
[b]dave123
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If they don't care about death, wouldn't it be much more efficient to have a self-destructing code so that they could do much more damage? Look at the kamikaze pilots in WWII. The only difference would be that the machines would be much more effective in that they would have superiority in numbers whereas the kamikaze pilots were a last ditch attempt. When it comes down to it, they WOULD do more damage if they could explode rather than swarming around and impaling humans with their arms. The sentinels didn't seem to be a very effective killing machine. As far as the whole "Being sure of hitting the target" argument, what if the sentinels could use their claw/arm things to cling onto a structure or person before exploding? Why said that the explosions had to be big? Just big enough to do enough damage. The machines obviously didn't care about how much damage they were doing since they felt no need to attach a parachute to those massive didding machines, right?
And just how much more damage would they have done if they would have had the ability to fire weapons? For instance, when they swarm together and they're charging the captain guy who gets mutiliated, wouldn't they have done much more damage if the sentinels could have returned fire? I just think that if the "machines" truely had an intent to "destroy" Zion, they could have done a much better job. But I still think the fighting sequence was very entertaining and I don't have any complaints about it. I'll take plot holes over reality any day.
Yohan> They could’ve send in self-destruction devices. But why. The sentinels are useful for many things, they’re equipped with an AI. Send in bombs, and they just blow up. Send in sentinels, who do not CARE whether they live or die, and they can not only wreck havoc, they can also learn, and perhaps cause even more havoc.
The sentinels were THERE, guarding the diggers, so why not simply use them for the attack?
Originally posted by The Omega
Yohan> They could’ve send in self-destruction devices. But why. The sentinels are useful for many things, they’re equipped with an AI. Send in bombs, and they just blow up. Send in sentinels, who do not CARE whether they live or die, and they can not only wreck havoc, they can also learn, and perhaps cause even more havoc.
The sentinels were THERE, guarding the diggers, so why not simply use them for the attack?
Sentinel 1: So what did we learn from the attack on Zion?
Sentinel 2: Well, the best way to kill humans is to swarm around in groups while we take notes on their behavior and let them blow us to hell with those machine guns.
Sentinel 1: So how come we don't do the same and blow THEM all to hell?
Sentinel 2: Because, we have to get to know the enemy before we destroy them.
Sentinel 1: But if we had blown them all to hell, it wouldn't matter because there wouldn't anymore humans left, right?
Sentinel 2: Shut up.
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On a more serious note, I see no reason to convince you that I'm right, just as you'll never convince me that the machines had a real reason to swarm around in groups.
"To each their own"
Yohan> 😆
Well, I DO think you get my general idea…
Lilbitchiness> It’s not that the Matrix crashes RIGHT there, if Zion is destroyed. But without that city, there will be no one to free “The One”, and he’ll (as Jedihdm says) have nowhere to go. Zion is a place the machines have allowed to exist, to “pick up” the 1 % dissidents from the Matrix. Those who subconsciously choose NOT to believe in the VR world.
If they have nowhere to go, they constitute “an escalating probability of disaster”.
mhm...ok...🙂all knowing omega😉 lol
its still crap if you think about it...its just pointless...so....basicly
Morpheus: ''There was a man born insude the matrix that had the ability to change matrix how he saw fit....it was him who freed the first of us'' is...who..architect(sp)???
why plug ppl in the matrix..why not just..erm..you know...keep people alive..in coma like state and use up the energy....if they are in coma they wont know whats going on...they'll still be alive and all, and machines could use up the energy..so...why plug in...
sorry, i can either ask now, or forever remain confused....