I've read most of the pages and seen a strange trend. A few of you seem to pick out the best of one character and the worst of the other, when the simple fact is that the fight isn't just close it's equal in every way.
It's true that Spidey is not as intellegent as Bats but he is still a genius and possess the brains and natrual reflexes to counter most of Batman's ploys. On the other hand Batman is superior in intelligence and possess the reflexes to dodge or prevent Spidy's webs or attacks.
Also both fight with their brains rather than brawns focusing instead on adaptibility and innovation to win their fights. Again neither has a clean cut advantage on the other.
Next up Bats gadgets and Spidy's strength. Yes Spiderman is much stronger and he has a natrual grace that puts him on par with many world rancked martial artists, but Batman would already know this and adapt to compensate. Bats gadgets while useful in the fight still need to make physical contact with Spiderman to have an effect. And it would be difficult to trick Spidy's spidersence with the gadgets he carrys since their all in his utility belt and Spidy will not take his eyes of batman at any point.
The real clincher in this fight is actually Batman's knowledge of the human psyche. Spiderman has very low self esteem, no matter what he does he gets portrayed as the bad guy, in essance putting on the suit is like a torture to Peter Parker. Batman would discover this during the fight and use the knowledge to play Spidy's emotions Forcing him to make the mistake that will end the fight. So even though I'm a huge Spidy fan I have to go with Bats on this one even though he would take one hell of a beating before he pulls it off
Originally posted by Dominationokay, to the whole hulk has the durability of superman thing, batman has lifted superman over his head, as quick as a cat and through superman into a wall, and punched supe hard enough to get superman to fall to the gruond. so im sure that batman will be able to kick hard enough in a pressure point, to get hulk to take a deep breath. hes kicked down trees. intellegence, yeah what im doing is taking theyre, brains out of theyre bodies and letting them battle eachother, batmans would crush spidermans. thats what we should be doing letting each of the stats fight each other individualy. and lets face it batman holds both ends, phisicaly and mentally. 127 different forms of combat, do u know how insanely, crazzily powerful that is? bruce lees masters level is already worthy to take on enahnced reflexes (not that bruce lee could beat spiderman) but think master of 127 forms. that is just harsh more then what enhanced reflexes can do. the whole thing about batman getting his hand glued away from his belt is rediculious, ill bet that spiderman wouldnt even notice batman touching his belt, yes spidermans spidermsense will notify him somethings a foot, but i doubt its going to say "hey buddy that bat dude has these crazy ninja throwing star things, that look like bats, and also mini grenades and gas bombs, and acids, and blowguns and grapples and bolas' and all kinds of blades and a first aid kit, and guess what? hes holding some acid right now." u are so ignoring the fact that batman holds the advantages, what u did is ignored that batman beat the hulk using human strength, u are ignoring that batmans mind can crush spidermans, u are ignoring that batmans acid is able to melt through spidys web, u are ignoring taht batmans enlightenment is a equal for spidermans spiderscense. instead when i put down batmans mind is to poweful for spidermans, u pulled the fighting capibilities in to shield spidys mind form being bruised, which batman also has him beat in. im beggining to think that u are someone with all these fancy scentaences but no logic at all.
So what you're saying is because Hulk is as dumb as a boot,he is as vulnerable as one as well,right?Don't make me laugh.If Hulk has about the same durability as Supes,that can also mean that Batman can hurt Supes with his bare hands as well,am I right?The same goes with gas,if,as you say,is true about Hulk being hurt by it.And what great deal of thinking did he do?The room filled with gas and he kicks Hulk in the stomach.WOW! No one has ever done this before! 😮 The more I set and listen to you,the more ridiculous your messages become.The way it seems,you have no other resources pertaining to super villains or heroes to describe the feats Batman has been able to accomplish physically without cheating his way to the top.Therefore,you are reduced to digging for scraps and leftovers (even if it is considered garbage writing) to allow him a spot in higher leagues.I don't have to dig for any of this when it comes to Parker's intellect or his physical level because what he does is in damn near every....single....book....he is in.The majority of the things he do is never contradicted and omitted from his character a few other issues down the line.
Holy sweet heavens,the people that comes to these boards these days. 😕 You sound overly envious of the Parker kid's intellect.I never said he was smarter than Bruce or as smart as he was.I said he's not too far behind.What I gave is when Peter FIRST got out of high school and how he IS able to use his head as well as his muscles in a fight.He's out of college now and is a teacher himself,one of the smartest,if I may add.He doesn't have to build some cave or car to intrigue me.The way I see it,he's smart enough.But,if a dumb dope like Jordy or Croc is able to smash the Batman into oblivion,why can't a person as smart as Peter do this very same thing,especially since he's done this,lord knows how may times,to intelligent people that are actually smarter than Batman,are as smart as him,and are almost as smart as him?Y'know what I believe,though?I believe you don't want to see this happening because Perter's a kid compared to Bruce,and that Bruce has worked so hard to get where he is today to just to a....well,kid. What you lean on for your comfort of confidence in the character is his intelligence,because without this,he would be basically nothing.
Although Spider-Man is Marvel's most versatile fighters,he can still be outsmarted by the most intelligent or the less intelligent,most powerful and less powerful of fighters,but he is still able to take most of these people the majority or even half the time on atlease on one of these levels.
What YOU people believe is that Batman can take people like Superman or equal to them in a grudge match and can't be outsmarted by no one with an IQ of less than his own unless you're the Joker when his very same villains are the ones doing these very samethings to him every single day in his own books.
Originally posted by Dominationdigging for scraps? screw u. your just being stupid enough to ignore batmans capiblities and only showing spidermans, and thus making me repeat myself. do me a favor and debate each idividual stat with me, starting with phisical, what are your thoughts on the phisical capibilitys, between the two.
So what you're saying is because Hulk is as dumb as a boot,he is as vulnerable as one as well,right?Don't make me laugh.If Hulk has about the same durability as Supes,that can also mean that Batman can hurt Supes with his bare hands as well,am I right?The same goes with gas,if,as you say,is true about Hulk being hurt by it.And what great deal of thinking did he do?The room filled with gas and he kicks Hulk in the stomach.WOW! No one has ever done this before! 😮 The more I set and listen to you,the more ridiculous your messages become.The way it seems,you have no other resources pertaining to super villains or heroes to describe the feats Batman has been able to accomplish physically without cheating his way to the top.Therefore,you are reduced to digging for scraps and leftovers (even if it is considered garbage writing) to allow him a spot in higher leagues.I don't have to dig for any of this when it comes to Parker's intellect or his physical level because what he does is in damn near every....single....book....he is in.The majority of the things he do is never contradicted and omitted from his character a few other issues down the line.
Holy sweet heavens,the people that comes to these boards these days. 😕 You sound overly envious of the Parker kid's intellect.I never said he was smarter than Bruce or as smart as he was.I said he's not too far behind.What I gave is when Peter FIRST got out of high school and how he IS able to use his head as well as his muscles in a fight.He's out of college now and is a teacher himself,one of the smartest,if I may add.He doesn't have to build some cave or car to intrigue me.The way I see it,he's smart enough.But,if a dumb dope like Jordy or Croc is able to smash the Batman into oblivion,why can't a person as smart as Peter do this very same thing,especially since he's done this,lord knows how may times,to intelligent people that are actually smarter than Batman,are as smart as him,and are almost as smart as him?Y'know what I believe,though?I believe you don't want to see this happening because Perter's a kid compared to Bruce,and that Bruce has worked so hard to get where he is today to just to a....well,kid. What you lean on for your comfort of confidence in the character is his intelligence,because without this,he would be basically nothing.
Although Spider-Man is Marvel's most versatile fighters,he can still be outsmarted by the most intelligent or the less intelligent,most powerful and less powerful of fighters,but he is still able to take most of these people the majority or even half the time on atlease on one of these levels.
What YOU people believe is that Batman can take people like Superman or equal to them in a grudge match and can't be outsmarted by no one with an IQ of less than his own unless you're the Joker when his very same villains are the ones doing these very samethings to him every single day in his own books.
But, wouldn't Batman be cheating? I mean he uses all these gadgets that Spidey can't compete. I can clearly imagine in my head Spider-Man coming down from atop a tall biulding landing seven feet away from Batman. While confronting eachother, Batman hurls a bunch of ninja stars at Spider-Man, only to have Spider-Man dodge each and every single star, but in the end, Batman pushed the little red button on his key-chain which makes the Batmoblie drive in Batman's direction mowing down Spider-Man when he's barely touching the ground from all that dodging.
Originally posted by batmanrules
okay, to the whole hulk has the durability of superman thing, batman has lifted superman over his head, as quick as a cat and through superman into a wall, and punched supe hard enough to get superman to fall to the gruond. so im sure that batman will be able to kick hard enough in a pressure point, to get hulk to take a deep breath. hes kicked down trees. intellegence, yeah what im doing is taking theyre, brains out of theyre bodies and letting them battle eachother, batmans would crush spidermans. thats what we should be doing letting each of the stats fight each other individualy. and lets face it batman holds both ends, phisicaly and mentally. 127 different forms of combat, do u know how insanely, crazzily powerful that is? bruce lees masters level is already worthy to take on enahnced reflexes (not that bruce lee could beat spiderman) but think master of 127 forms. that is just harsh more then what enhanced reflexes can do. the whole thing about batman getting his hand glued away from his belt is rediculious, ill bet that spiderman wouldnt even notice batman touching his belt, yes spidermans spidermsense will notify him somethings a foot, but i doubt its going to say "hey buddy that bat dude has these crazy ninja throwing star things, that look like bats, and also mini grenades and gas bombs, and acids, and blowguns and grapples and bolas' and all kinds of blades and a first aid kit, and guess what? hes holding some acid right now." u are so ignoring the fact that batman holds the advantages, what u did is ignored that batman beat the hulk using human strength, u are ignoring that batmans mind can crush spidermans, u are ignoring that batmans acid is able to melt through spidys web, u are ignoring taht batmans enlightenment is a equal for spidermans spiderscense. instead when i put down batmans mind is to poweful for spidermans, u pulled the fighting capibilities in to shield spidys mind form being bruised, which batman also has him beat in. im beggining to think that u are someone with all these fancy scentaences but no logic at all.
NOW,you're trying to say that Batman can hurt Superman with his normal strength solely? LOL! You're desperate,aren't you? Batman NEVER,in his wildest dreams,EVER hurt Superman with his bare hands.You are a terrible liar.But,first,name the issue and the number that this Batman beat Superman to the ground with his bare hands,and I'm going to prove to you that he didn't.
When Batman faced the Hulk,it clearly states in writing,"The Powerful kick to the man-brute's solar plexus is more startling---> (frighten or surprise) than painful." Batman did not beat the Hulk nor hurt him,...the gas did.It was a sloppy victory for him.If not for the room of gas Batman would still be trying to find a way to hurt and bring this guy down.
Did you see Bruce Lee take on some one with "enhanced reflexes"?No.Bruce Lee Is nonfiction while Batman is fiction,but even he has boundaries.You also haven't answered my questioned about Predator beating Batman senseless in his fight with him.The reason you continue to dodge this question is due to the fact of Batman's 127 styles mean squat to a person much more develop than he is.
As for the spider-sense,this board is giving you a one helluva break by not allowing me to post resources from else where.But,Spider-Man's spider-sense WILL detect damn near anything Batman tries to use against him.I already gave examples how it would partially aid him which you ignored in the very same way you did to the predator question.I'm not surprised,though.
digging for scraps? screw u. your just being stupid enough to ignore batmans capiblities and only showing spidermans, and thus making me repeat myself. do me a favor and debate each idividual stat with me, starting with phisical, what are your thoughts on the phisical capibilitys, between the two.
eww. So hostile! Is this topic getting under your skin,I bet it is?😆
But,to answer your question... Physically?.... Spider-Man would carry Batman's hinnie to Alfred like a plunked Thanksgiving bird in a spider-sack.Say this with me: BATMAN HAS NOTHING WITHOUT PREP TIME.
Originally posted by Lord Ryugen
I've read most of the pages and seen a strange trend. A few of you seem to pick out the best of one character and the worst of the other, when the simple fact is that the fight isn't just close it's equal in every way.It's true that Spidey is not as intellegent as Bats but he is still a genius and possess the brains and natrual reflexes to counter most of Batman's ploys. On the other hand Batman is superior in intelligence and possess the reflexes to dodge or prevent Spidy's webs or attacks.
Also both fight with their brains rather than brawns focusing instead on adaptibility and innovation to win their fights. Again neither has a clean cut advantage on the other.
Next up Bats gadgets and Spidy's strength. Yes Spiderman is much stronger and he has a natrual grace that puts him on par with many world rancked martial artists, but Batman would already know this and adapt to compensate. Bats gadgets while useful in the fight still need to make physical contact with Spiderman to have an effect. And it would be difficult to trick Spidy's spidersence with the gadgets he carrys since their all in his utility belt and Spidy will not take his eyes of batman at any point.
The real clincher in this fight is actually Batman's knowledge of the human psyche. Spiderman has very low self esteem, no matter what he does he gets portrayed as the bad guy, in essance putting on the suit is like a torture to Peter Parker. Batman would discover this during the fight and use the knowledge to play Spidy's emotions Forcing him to make the mistake that will end the fight. So even though I'm a huge Spidy fan I have to go with Bats on this one even though he would take one hell of a beating before he pulls it off
No one is picking out the best of anything concerning the characters.I've seen both characters in action as well as knowing a great bit about them.Batman is very little to no match for Spider-Man unless Spider-Man underestimates him.DC knows this as well as Marvel.Why do you think they are always paring the two with some one different every single time there's a crossover,Batman being pared with the least stronger fighter while Spider-Man with one of the strongest.If they thought Batman was worthy,he would have been pared with someone like Dr Doom or Iron Man.Yet,they pare him with Cap and he still admits to losing the fight.Why?Because he's human,because he would be of any challenge to a super powered being without having to run home or hide to devise a plan first.
You say Batman would use Peter's self-esteem against him in a fight.And HOW is this so,if you don't mine me asking?Peter is not one of the JLA members,and he is certainly not a known face or face period in the city of Gotham.He's a new hero.In the world of New York (his world) he questions himself and not some news reporter about his problems.No one knows how he feels except himself.How is Batman going to dive into this guy's mind and find out that he blames himself for his uncles death or when he doubts himself as being a superhero?How is he even going to know he has problems in the first place:ask?You're giving Batman way too much credit for something he doesn't possess.He can only use against you what he knows about you.He knows nothing about Spider-Man the very same way he knew nothing about Daredevil's thoughts,Punisher,Hulk,Captain America,etc..
And you speak of Batman's reflexes as if he were Wonder Woman or somebody.This guy has gotten leveled by Death Stroke in a toe to toe fight.Death Stroke's training can't even begun to compare with Batman's training,but he still put Batman on his butt due ti him being enhanced.Spider-Man has taken Iron Fist and other trained martial artist and beaten them fair handedly.Hitting Batman with some webbing is not going to be that hard to do if something as slow as a lasso was able to catch him offguard.Spider-Man's webbing also works with his reflexes.In mid motion,he is able to hit a precise area on his target in less than a seconds time.Batman can not react that fast.
I think that the outcome of a fight between Batman and Spider-man would largely depend on the circumstances leading up to the fight. For instance, if Spider-man and Batman just happened to randomly meet on a rooftop and decide that they had to fight, I would have to say that Spider-man would mop the floor with Batman. I say this for a couple of reasons. First, since Batman and Spider-man are both from different comic book universes, their meeting would be a suprise to Batman, and I feel that Batman's sucess in the major battles is due to his careful preparation and his selection of weapons and gadgets. Without foreknowledge of Spider-man, Batman would only have a standard crime fighting selection to work with, with no special Spider-man nulifying devices. Second, Spider-man does have the advantages of webbing, wall-crawling, and spider-sense that Batman does not have. Batman does have the gadgets, but that only goes so far. And finally, I am a bigger Spider-man fan than a Batman Fan, so I am going to show my bias.
If the situation was changed to a point where they both knew they had to fight for some reason, like in the Marvel/DC/Amalgam series, Batman would kick Spider-man's ass. Hands down, no question about it. If Batman can factor it into an eqation, he can unbalance that equation to make things unequal in his own favor.
Final summary, Spider-man could have one victory with the element of suprise, and none without, but he would never win a rematch. That's coming from a Spidy fan.
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Originally posted by venomfan
batman is too smart to probably want a strait up fight with spidey, he'd probably set a trap with MJ and catch him
You're still missing the point.How is Batman going to know about MJ or any other personal information about Spider-Man if he doesn't know Spider-Man?He knows nothing about him what so ever.
As for a rematch,I only agree to a certain extent.Just because Batman has plans of taking someone down does not mean the opposite member's chances are obsolete from that day forward.He is still able to be beaten if he's unaware of a challenge no different from a first meeting.Prime example,Wonder Woman.Batman had devised plans of crippling Wonder Woman just as well as the entire JLA team,but when he was surprised and unaware that he had to fight her on that specific day,he was clocked with and uppercut to the face in a KO match.How could this have happened if he knew her weakness?Well,his protocols were not with him at the time of the fight.If Batman has your weakness,that doesn't mean he goes carrying custom supplies to bring you down everywhere he goes.
well this is under the usumtion(yeah i dont how to spell that)that batman is never unprepared, i think i read earlier that batman knows just about everysuper hero,if not disregard. but i still think if they fight twice its bats here is why. Spidery beats up batman but spideys good nature wont let him kill batman, or even beat him up bad. now that bats knows of spidey and im pretty sure hes all about revenge he would set up servalence with all that money hes got and would eventually learn of who he is, batman is a detecive c'mon, anyhow then its just up to a second round and supposing bats wins i think he wouldnt have a problem with crippling spiderman