Well said `Batman Rules` but ur wrong Batman CAN beat silver surfer. And Batman wud use all his Gadget and 127 Martial Art shit to rip the hulk body apart. And yes Batman is a perfect match against wolverine. And thats the way it shud be because Batmans my fav in DC and Wolv is my fav in Marvel. Batman shud join Marvel. Screw DC.
Originally posted by Domination
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This is good stuff... I didn't know about the secret identity bit, that's pretty "Amazing"
Yet and still, Spider-Sense can be defeated with strategy...
Strategy cakes... how do you think Spider-Man beats venom? Webbing? Superior Agility? No, Strategy...
Originally posted by batmanrules
i never said batman hurt superman i said he brought superman to the ground, a building can fall on superman, superman wouldnt feel it but hed be on the ground. batman has beat the predator as well as the predator beat batman, hell, he beat predator in a ten minute short film, and he didnt have any prep time for his victory over predator in dead end, nor did he have the gadgets specificly for predator. he was only out looking for the joker, not predator. you arent to bright are u? your ignoring alot more then im ignoring. once again im going to ask u to go back to the area were i tell u how much spiderman is going up against. batman is probably way to fast with his gadgets for spiderman to stop him from taking out his acid. *sigh* 127 different styles (not to mention master at all of them) is much more then spiderman can handle, im ****ing serious. im not in denial. it is so much more then an advanced reflexes power. so much more. remember i read just as much spiderman as i do batman, and ive come to the conclusion batman can win. i like spiderman as probably my favourit bright superhero. i admit batman cant beat silver surfer, i admit he cant beat hulk (without the gas), i admit that wolverine has a good chance against batman. why woulnt i admit spidermans chance. *sigh*
If Batman ever "trashed" Superman,it was because Superman let him.Superman has faster reflexes than Spider-Man,is much more durable,and is much faster.He underestimates Batman occasionally because Batman is human or because Batman knows his limitations.But,if he really wanted to take Batman out,he could do in within a split second.
Let me also add that Spider-Man has "trashed" the Hulk before,and hulk was not underestimating him neither.Spider-Man has embarrassed Wonder Woman (a person slightly equal to Superman).He has beaten a god called Firelord.He has beaten the Silver Surfer a few times.These are the major leagues here.Spider has humiliated a clan of ninjas before,beaten Wolverine (one of Marvel's top fighters),the X-Men,Fantastic Four,Iron Fist (another one of Marvel's top fighters).If these guys' martial arts technique had no affect on Spider-Man's speed and spider-sense,what possible chance do you think Batman's training would have?What I would really like to know is what can Batman do any different from these guys,if not less than them,that has already been tried and failed?I really shouldn't have to list the stats of the two.It holds no weight what so ever.That would be like me looking at stats on Xavier and Juggernaut to determine the outcome.But,what has been shown of the two in their previous confrontations tells the whole story,however.
And yes,Batman has beaten Predator in a film,but that would be a film.It was to create suspense for the viewers.The writers of the comic simply felt that Batman could not do this,especially seeing that he's not a killer to begin with.
Originally posted by batmanrules
the chameleon should frame spiderman for some huge crime and batman goes after spidy. domination, u and me should write this, u got the spiderman smarts and i got the bats.
If the Chameleon framed Spider-Man,then,my friend,this fight would be more like prep time for Bats.It blindly favors his side.We can already see from the villain's description that he can mimic a person's personality as well as their features.With this in mind,Batman has time to go to his cave and layout a plan,not to say that it could be full proof because of the spider-sense,but a plan never the less to equal his chances.Batman would be the predator in this situation -- allowing him to prepare himself before hand.That is not the daily routine of the character.
Originally posted by LeAtHerRFace
Well said `Batman Rules` but ur wrong Batman CAN beat silver surfer. And Batman wud use all his Gadget and 127 Martial Art shit to rip the hulk body apart. And yes Batman is a perfect match against wolverine. And thats the way it shud be because Batmans my fav in DC and Wolv is my fav in Marvel. Batman shud join Marvel. Screw DC.
😂 You sound pretty confident.But,tell me,have you ever saw the Hulk's body get ripped apart -- even to something as powerful as a nuclear weapon?I didn't think so.So,why not forget this nonsense and move on to the real stuff,shall we? 😉
Originally posted by Hypester
This is good stuff... I didn't know about the secret identity bit, that's pretty "Amazing"Yet and still, Spider-Sense can be defeated with strategy...
Strategy cakes... how do you think Spider-Man beats venom? Webbing? Superior Agility? No, Strategy...
Um,I'm sorry,what did you just say?In case you didn't know,although Brock has Peter's spider powers plus more,he lacks Peter's spider-sense and his big brain.Now,the reason Brock is just about the only villain that is able to ambush Peter without the spider-sense going off is due to the symbiote originally bonding to Peter's body -- taking his every thought,strength and weakness and using it against him.Which explains why his spider-sense is never triggered by Venom.How Spider-Man beat Venom is nothing more than extreme noise.It is a weakness of the symbiote,that and fire.From the entire time of Batman's appearance,I have never known him to have either of these gadgets on hand (not that they would have done much good) except for the sonics,and only this was used once after he had been studying the person.
And I'm not saying that Spider-Man CAN'T be defeated with strategy.I have seen it happen quite a few times.But,MOST that have tried were defeated because they weren't aware of his spider-sense.
Originally posted by Dominationokay, dc version batman should get framed marvel version spiderman should. i would like to see dc character fail in the dc world and the marval character fail in the marval world.
If the Chameleon framed Spider-Man,then,my friend,this fight would be more like prep time for Bats.It blindly favors his side.We can already see from the villain's description that he can mimic a person's personality as well as their features.With this in mind,Batman has time to go to his cave and layout a plan,not to say that it could be full proof because of the spider-sense,but a plan never the less to equal his chances.Batman would be the predator in this situation -- allowing him to prepare himself before hand.That is not the daily routine of the character.
Originally posted by batmanrules
okay, dc version batman should get framed marvel version spiderman should. i would like to see dc character fail in the dc world and the marval character fail in the marval world.
Even if this did happen,Batman is likely to prep himself first.You don't understand,Batman "knows" that he's him.Therefore,he is willing to take any needs necessary to get over on his opponent.He's not going to investigate the situation all by his lonesome (meaning without a plan);he's likely to use a strategic plan before confronting Spider-Man.Spider-Man doesn't do this until he realizes the type of opponent he's facing.This is not a surprise fight for Batman at all nor is it for Spider-Man.
Ok Domination. Spiderman has never beaten Wolverine nor Silver Surfer in all the comics Ive read. Stop Bsing us becuz you know Spiderman doesnt have a slight chance against woverine and silver surfer. I saw in this comic long time ago that batman were fighting eachother when batman punched supermans lights out then when he woke up. Batman took out the Kryptonite and that was the last time I seen them fight. There you go Batman won.
Originally posted by LeAtHerRFace
Ok Domination. Spiderman has never beaten Wolverine nor Silver Surfer in all the comics Ive read. Stop Bsing us becuz you know Spiderman doesnt have a slight chance against woverine and silver surfer. I saw in this comic long time ago that batman were fighting eachother when batman punched supermans lights out then when he woke up. Batman took out the Kryptonite and that was the last time I seen them fight. There you go Batman won.
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Are you sure about this?Before,I go on any further,TELL ME what issue was this where Batman hurt Superman with his bare hands without the likes of some kind of enhancement!
And Spider-Man DID beat Wolverine and the Silver Surfer -- which I will prove momentarily in this discussion.Just because you couldn't obtain these issues does not mean it didn't happen.In Spider-Man vs Wolverine,Wolverine admits that Spider-Man beat him.The writer,however,was a bit bias because in a small panel of this issue Spider-Man mentions how Wolverine is constantly smiling back at him after a series of lethal blows.It was his way of making the fight interesting.In his own issues,though,we can clearly see that wooden swords and well placed blows from slightly normal people are able to render Wolverine unconscious.Did I also mention that Wolverine was beaten with the rest of his X-Men crew in Secret Wars by Spider-Man as well?
As for Silver Surfer,I hope this is enough to persuade you.If not,I can go into further detail: Page One & Page Two
Now,what was that you were saying? 😮💨
Originally posted by Hypester
But WAIT...Am I the only one that finds it rediculous for Wolverine to be on the same level as Silver Surfer?
...no at all,which explains why Spider-Man has been known to beat Wolverine on various occasions.Only when Spider-Man goes toe to toe with Wolverine does Wolverine ever seem like a challenge to him.Wolverine's strong point is fighting a person toe to toe.That is what he's good at.His only advantage to Spider-Man,however,is his training and instincts.Because he's a master multiple forms of combat training and having the the knowledge of every other,he is considered a better fighter than Spider-Man.If Spider-Man really wanted to beat a person or land a number of shots he doesn't fight you toe to toe;he bounces around you like a pinball using webs and landing any which way he can.That would be him at the top of his game.Wolverine is not on this level.He would look more like a statue to Spider-Man.
just pointing out becuase of the spider-sense and high agilty spider-man actually has his own fighting style that no one else can mimic not even venom
Spider-Man's overall metabolic efficiency has been greatly increased, and the composition of his skeleton, inter-connected tissues, and nervous system have all been enhanced. Spider-Man's musculature has been augmentedso that he can lift (press) about 10 tons. His reflexes are faster than an average human by about a factor of 15 (he is often able to dodge bullets, if he is far enough away). Spider-Man is extraordinarily limber and his tendons and connective tissues are twice as elastic as the average human being's, despite their enhanced strength. He has developed a unique fighting style that makes full use of his agility, strength, and equilibrium.
Spider-Man possesses an extrasensory "danger" or "spider" sensewhich warns him of potential immediate danger by tingling sensation in the back of his skull. The precise nature of this sense is unknown. It appears to be a simultaneous clairvoyant responce to a wide variety of phenomena (everything from falling safes to speeding bullets to thrown punches), which has given several hundredths of a second's warning, which is sufficient time for his reflexes to allow him to avoid injury. The sense also can create a general resonse on the order of several minutes: he cannot discern the nature of the threat by the sensation. He can, however, discern the severity of the danger by the strength of his response to it. Spider-Man's fighting style incorporates the advantage that his "spidey-sense" provides him.
just pointing that out i still dont know who would win
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they shared a comic once and didn't fight.they even shook hands at the end. but bats struggled like mad with carnage and spidey just gave the joker a back hander like he was his daddy and knocked him out.you guys forget that batman's weakness is even worse than supermans, just a picture of ma and pa would reduce him to tears. big deal, supes lost his whole planet! Spidey would be batman's worst nightmare to fight, too unpredictable, no set style.One punch would end it and thers no way bats could deny spidey one punch.Here's the strength difference.10 tonnes (20or 30 when adrebalines pumping)to prob 500lbs max lift.that makes spidey 40 times stronger.spidey's reflexes operate 40 faster than a normal human and bats is just that.I know bats always beats supes, I got all those comics, but spidey has no stupid weakness and no-one knows much about spidey's abilities coz he never announced them like supes did.No fancy prep then and no chance for the dark knight. It's only really spidey, wolverine,and DD who I think bats would never, ever beat. I'm not biased coz the 5 heroes mentioned in this over long thread are my joint faves(bats,supes,DD,spidey,wolvie) so thats cleared that up.
This is the real answer: Batman, as a fictional character, would probably win. That's how the comics work. It's because Batman has a higher drama factor. He's a better icon. Spider-Man has more reading value in the long run (or it did back in the Silver Age), but Batman is a classic, immortal symbol of You-Don't-Want-A-Piece-O'-This. When two icons of similar stature such as Superman and Batman fight, Batman will win because it's the more surprising outcome (on the surface, to non-Bat-experts, anyway) and because Batman is a better character. Read enough comics, you'll see how it is with these things.
That said, I have to declare that this question is incomplete. You can't begin to answer this without context. Where are they, what can be used in battle, are both combatants at their peak, are they fully equipped? Most importantly, does Batman know who he is going to fight ahead of time? If both are at their peak, then Spider-Man should win on the basis of his metahuman speed, strength and spider-sense. If Batman was prepared ahead of time, he would bring some kind of gadget that would circumvent Spider-Man's spidey-sense, leave him physically vulnerable, and then he would take him down gently with a light ass-whooping. Batman is known as a more mature, always-prepared, obsessively meticulous character. If he met Spider-Man even once, he'd have a rough idea of how to deal with him should they ever fight. Only if Batman didn't know the extent of Spider-Man's powers would he not be ready. Keep in mind, if there is any public note of Spider-Man's spider-sense at all (he has let it slip out in front of people), even if not in an obvious medium, then Batman would find the information, memorize it, and make a plan to counter it.
