Spider-Man vs Batman

Originally posted by Domination
No one is picking out the best of anything concerning the characters.I've seen both characters in action as well as knowing a great bit about them.Batman is very little to no match for Spider-Man unless Spider-Man underestimates him.DC knows this as well as Marvel.Why do you think they are always paring the two with some one different every single time there's a crossover,Batman being pared with the [b]least stronger fighter while Spider-Man with one of the strongest.If they thought Batman was worthy,he would have been pared with someone like Dr Doom or Iron Man.Yet,they pare him with Cap and he still admits to losing the fight.Why?Because he's human,because he would be of any challenge to a super powered being without having to run home or hide to devise a plan first.

You say Batman would use Peter's self-esteem against him in a fight.And HOW is this so,if you don't mine me asking?Peter is not one of the JLA members,and he is certainly not a known face or face period in the city of Gotham.He's a new hero.In the world of New York (his world) he questions himself and not some news reporter about his problems.No one knows how he feels except himself.How is Batman going to dive into this guy's mind and find out that he blames himself for his uncles death or when he doubts himself as being a superhero?How is he even going to know he has problems in the first place:ask?You're giving Batman way too much credit for something he doesn't possess.He can only use against you what he knows about you.He knows nothing about Spider-Man the very same way he knew nothing about Daredevil's thoughts,Punisher,Hulk,Captain America,etc..

And you speak of Batman's reflexes as if he were Wonder Woman or somebody.This guy has gotten leveled by Death Stroke in a toe to toe fight.Death Stroke's training can't even begun to compare with Batman's training,but he still put Batman on his butt due ti him being enhanced.Spider-Man has taken Iron Fist and other trained martial artist and beaten them fair handedly.Hitting Batman with some webbing is not going to be that hard to do if something as slow as a lasso was able to catch him offguard.Spider-Man's webbing also works with his reflexes.In mid motion,he is able to hit a precise area on his target in less than a seconds time.Batman can not react that fast. [/B]

Okay for starters I never claimed that Batman's reflexes were at the same level or superior to Spiderman's, I do however believe that Bats reflexes are good enough to be able to counter a punch or kick from spiderman due to his training. And as for not knowing Spidy's esteem level (or lack thereof) he's trained to find out any weakness in a person and unfortunatly for Spidy he talks during a fight making the true Superhero one liners and self monologue. sooner or later he'll let something slip and BAM Bats has his stratagy. And as for always getting the weakest character... well you,ve got me there but in theroy he could take the stronger characters 😮

Originally posted by venomfan
well this is under the usumtion(yeah i dont how to spell that)that batman is never unprepared, i think i read earlier that batman knows just about everysuper hero,if not disregard. but i still think if they fight twice its bats here is why. Spidery beats up batman but spideys good nature wont let him kill batman, or even beat him up bad. now that bats knows of spidey and im pretty sure hes all about revenge he would set up surveillance with all that money hes got and would eventually learn of who he is, batman is a detecive c'mon, anyhow then its just up to a second round and supposing bats wins i think he wouldnt have a problem with crippling spiderman

Then you assume wrong about the webhead.Peter Parker is not Clark Kent;he is no boy scout.Don't assume that just because you never saw him kill a person or go over the edge that he'll never go beyond that point if he has to.In Spectacular Spider-Man: Sin-Eater,this guy kills a person close to Spider-Man unintentionally when previously aiming for the wallcrawler and missing.Peter blamed himself for the guy's death to the point of extreme depression and went straight after Sin-Eater moments after.Spider-Man caught-up with Sin-Eater and tried to kill him but Daredevil prevented it by risking his own life instead.But,after Spider-Man was done with Sin-Eater,the guy was paralyzed for life and on a bed stretcher unconscious with broken bones and server flesh injuries.

In Spider-Man vs Morlun,Spider-Man was going to kill this guy until Morlun's slaved flunky shot him dead as Morlun was in a weakened state.But,Spider-Man beat this guy so bad that he pleaded that he'd never come after Spider-Man ever again and that he'd flee the country without causing anymore trouble if Spider-Man spared his life.He was also beaten into a different transformation.

So don't assume that just because Batman is a normal human or a person,period,that Spider-Man won't go over the edge with him.It has happened before,and it could clearly happen again.

Speaking of something happening (while it's on my mind),surveillance would be a difficult project to pull off.Now,I'm not saying it's impossible,but it is quite difficult if one does not possess the fore knowledge of Peter's abilities.His spider-sense alarms him when his secret identity is in jeopardy.Not only does this work on a person spying directly on him existingly but it also works when he's being spied on unexistingly.In Amazing Spider-Man #383,a high tech boss sets-up cameras all over the city,hoping to target and destroy Spider-Man.Each time Peter passes one of the cameras (at a distance) he questions how it holds a threat to him.So,one morning he plays stupid by willing his reflexes not to kick-in as he passes one of the cameras.People in the lab sees this,thinking that Spider-Man was unable to spot one of there cameras as it continues to study his every move,when infacts he did long before they ever knew.His exact words are (as he takes a closer peek at one of these cameras while peeking from behind a chimney),"Took will power to ignore my spider-sense,to let myself be spotted by that device! But,if I can nab what comes to nab me,then maybe I can get some answers."

Originally posted by Lord Ryugen
Okay for starters I never claimed that Batman's reflexes were at the same level or superior to Spiderman's, I do however believe that Bats reflexes [B]are good enough to be able to counter a punch or kick from spiderman due to his training. And as for not knowing Spidy's esteem level (or lack thereof) he's trained to find out any weakness in a person and unfortunatly for Spidy he talks during a fight making the true Superhero one liners and self monologue. sooner or later he'll let something slip and BAM Bats has his stratagy. And as for always getting the weakest character... well you,ve got me there but in theroy he could take the stronger characters 😮 [/B]

I believe you're confusing Spider-Man with Wolverine.Spider-Man tells wisecracks about himself,not information concerning his life.The information concerning his flaws or his disadvantages is normally what he "thinks" about.He very seldom ever reveals an advantage that you are able to use against him in a fight.One quote I can think of off the top of my head is Spider-Man thinking,"Wow! Sparky is faster than I thought.I almost got nailed by that blast of his.But,I can't let him know that though." then he tells a wisecrack to throw his opponent off his trail.But,the way he moves,you would never know whether he was just expecting your every attack or if you were just getting closer to figuring him out.He doesn't just fight a person;he is constantly thinking throughout the entire fight.

And if you think Batman's training will be enough to avoid one of Spider-Man's blows,you are seriously mistaking.I already told you before that Spider-Man has beaten people like Iron Fist in a straight fist fight.As a matter a fact,the Steel Serpent was one of them.Spider-Man actually tells us that although this guy is very skilled in martial arts,he is basically fighting him on an average guys level.The moment he mentions something about taking off the kitty gloves,the Serpent is unable to hit him not once while Spider-Man continues to connect on his face.

Every person Batman has ever faced either didn't have superhuman/enhanced reflexes and speed of any kind or they just didn't use it during the fight.Spider-man is ALWAYS using his speed and reflexes during a fight.Batman's reflexes and mastery training means nothing without the likes of some kind of prep time.Spider-Man would sense his every move and pummel him -- and quite quickly,if I must add.Spider-Man would have to treat Batman as if he were King Pin if Batman was ever to succeed in a fight with him.He has given Wonder Woman a run for her money at one point...in the speed department,that is.

Originally posted by Domination
I believe you're confusing Spider-Man with Wolverine.Spider-Man tells wisecracks about himself,not information concerning his life.The information concerning his flaws or his disadvantages is normally what he "thinks" about.He very seldom ever reveals an advantage that you are able to use against him in a fight.One quote I can think of off the top of my head is Spider-Man thinking,"Wow! Sparky is faster than I thought.I almost got nailed by that blast of his.But,I can't let him know that though." then he tells a wisecrack to throw his opponent off his trail.But,the way he moves,you would never know whether he was just expecting your every attack or if you were just getting closer to figuring him out.He doesn't just fight a person;he is constantly thinking throughout the entire fight.

And if you think Batman's training will be enough to avoid one of Spider-Man's blows,you are seriously mistaking.I already told you before that Spider-Man has beaten people like Iron Fist in a straight fist fight.As a matter a fact,the Steel Serpent was one of them.Spider-Man actually tells us that although this guy is very skilled in martial arts,he is basically fighting him on an average guys level.The moment he mentions something about taking off the kitty gloves,the Serpent is unable to hit him not once while Spider-Man continues to connect on his face.

Every person Batman has ever faced either didn't have superhuman/enhanced reflexes and speed of any kind or they just didn't use it during the fight.Spider-man is ALWAYS using his speed and reflexes during a fight.Batman's reflexes and mastery training means nothing without the likes of some kind of prep time.Spider-Man would sense his every move and pummel him -- and quite quickly,if I must add.Spider-Man would have to treat Batman as if he were King Pin if Batman was ever to succeed in a fight with him.He has given [b]Wonder Woman a run for her money at one point...in the speed department,that is. [/B]

Well I can't argue with that Dom. You win Spidy probably beat the Bat. But I still say it would be a close fight until Spidy takes off the ''kitty gloves'' 😉

It never ends. 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Ryugen
Well I can't argue with that Dom. You win Spidy probably beat the Bat. But I still say it would be a close fight until Spidy takes off the ''kitty gloves'' 😉

Then I am right along with you. 😉

ok i know spidey has killed befor, but he is nowere as vicious as batman can be, spider-man wouldnt kill batman is my point he would relize that he is a fellow hero.

Originally posted by venomfan
ok i know spidey has killed befor, but he is nowere as vicious as batman can be, spider-man wouldnt kill batman is my point he would relize that he is a fellow hero.

Okayyy.... Listen,I don't know which part of my post you are looking beyond,but what's to stop Spider-Man from defeating Batman just because YOU believe that Batman is a killer or vicious fighter?Spider-Man has killed before as well as brutally beaten guys to death.MY point is that he is willing to go over the edge IF he has to -- lowing Batman's chances.Just because he doesn't kill the guy does not mean he won't inflict some serious pain on him that not even Supes would agree with.He is not Superman.Batman does not know Peter's limitations if he(Batman) ever done something that would take him over the edge.

The very same way Batman could lose the first fight to Spider-Man would be no different from him losing the second,third,fourth,fifth,etc.. because unlike Batman,Spider-Man does not have to rely on strategy all the time to win.Batman is the one that needs this to compensate for what he has to face due to him not being enhanced.This is why Spider-Man beats Batman more times than not;he can adapt to a sudden fight with his spider abilities.

On a final note,Batman is not a killer nor a brutal fighter.I don't know where you got this from.There is noway he would go crippling a fighter just because he lost to them.That is a bunch of BS.If Batman doesn't have a reason to come after you a second time,he won't do it.Same goes for Spider-Man.Unless he has a reason to face you again,he will not be facing you anytime soon,and losing to a person is not one of them.Why do you think these people are referred to as "heroes"?

Spiderman can thrash bats if he wanted, but what im saying is batman would have the guts to do somthing drastic befor spidey would thats all

Let's all write to Marvel and D.C. to make a new comic about this. To the pencil mobile Batman!

Originally posted by venomfan
Spiderman can thrash bats if he wanted, but what im saying is batman would have the guts to do somthing drastic befor spidey would thats all

And I'm telling you that Batman can not keep up with Spider-Man unless he underestimates Batman.There is no drastic procedure to this.If the fight is a sudden one (which I am quite sure it is more likely of the two),Batman has no time to prepare or use anything against Spider-Man without him receiving an early warning about it first.

If Batman loses the first time,he just loses.Now,unless he has a reason to redeem himself,he will be the predator and Spider-Man the prey or vice-versa.If not,Batman's second time around could be just as humiliating as his first if the fight is another sudden match.

Um... I think you've been reading too much of forum magic-prep time Batman... (I read that too, but I enjoy some of the DC produced versions as well)... Batman is not crippled in a sudden confrontation, he is just no longer "unbeatable" like he is when he spends a lot of time preparing for a less tactical opponent.

Spider-Man will not go all out on Batman if he's Peter Parker, Batman will go all out on Spider-Man... Spider-Sense is overcomable, and Spider-Man has several weaknesses, things like needing to breathe and see and things like that... these are simple weaknesses that EVERYone has that Batman abuses at the spur of a moment...

Like it or not, this is not an open and shut case... this is an even fight in any setting...

Um... I think you've been reading too much of forum magic-prep time Batman... (I read that too, but I enjoy some of the DC produced versions as well)... Batman is not crippled in a sudden confrontation, he is just no longer "unbeatable" like he is when he spends a lot of time preparing for a less tactical opponent.

umm... Huh? What are you even talking about.You could have atlease quoted something.You completely lost me.

Spider-Man will not go all out on Batman if he's Peter Parker, Batman will go all out on Spider-Man...

Again,you completely lost me.

Spider-Sense is overcomable, and Spider-Man has several weaknesses, things like needing to breathe and see and things like that... these are simple weaknesses that EVERYone has that Batman abuses at the spur of a moment...

Like it or not, this is not an open and shut case... this is an even fight in any setting...

First of all,did you see anywhere in either of my messages where I stated that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Batman to beat Spider-Man without prep time?No.I said his chances are quite low to defeating Spider-Man without prep time because he has to rely on strategy and gadgets to beat him while Spider-Man could do this to Batman on pure skill alone.Unlike any other normal superhero,Spider-Man is not just aided by his speed,agility,reflex,strength,durability,webs, spider-grip,stubborness and such;he has an extra sensory (like and extra pair of eyes) that constantly watches his back.This one sense alone compensates for him not having a belt full of gadgets on hand.Batman's toys and the shadows he uses to deceive a person can not work on Spider-Man because he will sense his every move.

Do you really think I don't know Spider-Man needs air to breathe,can be hurt by a weapon,can be hurt by a human if enough blows are traded,can be duped in a small way and anything else you'd like to throw in there?Of course I know this stuff.I've been reading about him for twelve years.What I'm pointing out to you is the very same dangers you are putting in his way such as Batman's Martial arts training,his gadgets,and the way he uses his surroundings to fight has already been done to Spider-Man and is constantly being done to him on a daily bases.What you say Batman will likely bring to the table is nothing new to Spider-Man unless Batman prepares.All of these weaknesses you speak of has to reach the wallcrawler before he can be open to them.THAT is the hardest if not the most difficult part of the task.You can call it a stalemate if you like,but in the direction of the comic books saying,it is more like a slaughter.

I think this has become a battle of bragging rights, or for popularity. I don't think niether Batman or Spider-Man would ever fight now. I'ts inhuman!

Sorry, I guess I assume too much...

Originally posted by Domination
First of all,did you see anywhere in either of my messages where I stated that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Batman to beat Spider-Man without prep time?No.I said his chances are quite low to defeating Spider-Man without prep time because he has to rely on strategy and gadgets to beat him while Spider-Man could do this to Batman on pure skill alone.Unlike any other normal superhero,Spider-Man is not just aided by his speed,agility,reflex,strength,durability,webs, spider-grip,stubborness and such;he has an extra sensory (like and extra pair of eyes) that constantly watches his back.This one sense alone compensates for him not having a belt full of gadgets on hand.Batman's toys and the shadows he uses to deceive a person can not work on Spider-Man because he will sense his every move.

Here's where we run into problems... I disagree with every single statement in this paragraph.

Assumption: Batman has to rely on strategy and gadgets
Assumption: Relying on this makes his chances of winning low
Assumption: Spider-Man is the only hero with extra senses.
Assumption: This Sense Compensates for a lack of equipment
Assumption: Batman's Gadgets will not work on spiderman
Assumption: Batman's shadows will not work on Spider-Man
Assumption: Spider-Man will sense his every move

There is no evidence for any of this, yet you take it as fact... hence making it really hard to argue with you if I have to spend time refuting baseless assumptions. Spider-Man's spider sense alerts him to danger. If there's no danger, it's useless, Batman can still be stealthy. You assume that danger sense alerting a stealth attack makes stealth attack useless just like you assume that it makes gadgets useless... I don't know why you assume this (I've read your posts too) but your evidence is inconclusive or circumstantial at best...

get your weight up...

Originally posted by Hypester
Sorry, I guess I assume too much...

Here's where we run into problems... I disagree with every single statement in this paragraph.

Assumption: Batman has to rely on strategy and gadgets
Assumption: Relying on this makes his chances of winning low
Assumption: Spider-Man is the only hero with extra senses.
Assumption: This Sense Compensates for a lack of equipment
Assumption: Batman's Gadgets will not work on spiderman
Assumption: Batman's shadows will not work on Spider-Man
Assumption: Spider-Man will sense his every move

There is no evidence for any of this, yet you take it as fact... hence making it really hard to argue with you if I have to spend time refuting baseless assumptions. Spider-Man's spider sense alerts him to danger. If there's no danger, it's useless, Batman can still be stealthy. You assume that danger sense alerting a stealth attack makes stealth attack useless just like you assume that it makes gadgets useless... I don't know why you assume this (I've read your posts too) but your evidence is inconclusive or circumstantial at best...

get your weight up...

Maybe there's no evidence for YOU,but in one of my last posts to Batmanrules,I quote myself:"As for the spider-sense,this board is giving you a one helluva break by not allowing me to post resources from else where." Fact is,I have hard facts to prove that shadows and Batman's mere gadgets won't work on Spider-Man unless he somehow underestimated him.And where did I say that Spider-Man was the only character with extra senses?Quote me if you feel so much as confident of yourself.I said Spider-Man has a different sense to that of others and he does.He can read just about any threat by instinct before it even occurs.Not even a psychic's mind is this sharp.

Batman is a man of strategy.If you don't think so,you really need to lay off the television.It is the way he operates,but his stealth IS (and let me say that just one more time....IS) useless to Spider-Man.I don't "assume" anything.I know by what has happen to him in the pass.His spider-sense is so acute that he literally has a second pair of eyes.If Batman hides in the dark,Spider-Man's spider-sense will detect danger in Batman's direction.If Batman tried to attack Spider-Man from the shadows with a gadget,Spider-Man's spider-sense would give him a warning for any threat heading his way and its exact location.It compensates for the gadgets that he lacks because he can dodge just about anything you throw at him.Batman would have to have the assistance from Robin or Night Wing or maybe both to tag Spider-Man with one of his gadgets.

Hopefully if these links work,it is dead proof in your face,and I can also confirm each and every last one of them from a different comic where this has happen:

Spider 1
Spider 2
Spider 3

old school spidey ah those were the days....

Originally posted by Domination
NOW,you're trying to say that Batman can hurt Superman with his normal strength solely? LOL! You're desperate,aren't you? Batman NEVER,in his wildest dreams,EVER hurt Superman with his bare hands.You are a terrible liar.But,first,name the issue and the number that this Batman beat Superman to the ground with his bare hands,and I'm going to prove to you that he didn't.

When Batman faced the Hulk,it clearly states in writing,"The Powerful kick to the man-brute's solar plexus is [b]more startling---> (frighten or surprise) than painful." Batman did not beat the Hulk nor hurt him,...the gas did.It was a sloppy victory for him.If not for the room of gas Batman would still be trying to find a way to hurt and bring this guy down.

Did you see Bruce Lee take on some one with "enhanced reflexes"?No.Bruce Lee Is nonfiction while Batman is fiction,but even he has boundaries.You also haven't answered my questioned about Predator beating Batman senseless in his fight with him.The reason you continue to dodge this question is due to the fact of Batman's 127 styles mean squat to a person much more develop than he is.

As for the spider-sense,this board is giving you a one helluva break by not allowing me to post resources from else where.But,Spider-Man's spider-sense WILL detect damn near anything Batman tries to use against him.I already gave examples how it would partially aid him which you ignored in the very same way you did to the predator question.I'm not surprised,though.

eww. So hostile! Is this topic getting under your skin,I bet it is?😆

But,to answer your question... Physically?.... Spider-Man would carry Batman's hinnie to Alfred like a plunked Thanksgiving bird in a spider-sack.Say this with me: BATMAN HAS NOTHING WITHOUT PREP TIME. [/B]

the chameleon should frame spiderman for some huge crime and batman goes after spidy. domination, u and me should write this, u got the spiderman smarts and i got the bats.

i think if anyone has the brains to frame spidey, let it be doc. Ock and joker a combined effort, to kill to birds with one stone. ie get bats and spidey to take each other out