Originally posted by WindDancer
What I meant to say by ruined is the future of both franchises. This film was suppose to revive audiences interest for both characters. If 20th Century was planning to make Predator 3 then AVP woulda boosted audiences interest into the Predator again. The way I see it, that if this film woulda been more adreline driven and suspenful as it's predecesors were....then more ppl would want more! Which is a perfect set up for Predator 3 (if sucha idea was ever conjured). The action wasn't bad nor the fight scenes were bad the problem was that they were too short.Yes, the film had it's moments as for example when the archeologist is explaining why the temple was built for. We get a great scene of Aliens fighting the Predators in war to control the temple.That's exactly what this film should have been! A war between the Aliens and The Predators. What we got was the Aftermath of the war thousans of years later between 3 predators and a few Aliens, plus a group of humans that should have been wiped out completely.
Totaly agree dude 😮💨 I mean the movie was and is worth seeing but Like dancer satd Where was the adreneline pumping matierial that we needed? I do deem it a succuss because i mean really people, Most directors wouldnt have cared as much about the film to do it the way anderson did it. With all the painstanking costumes, and set designs. Many would have fled to CGI what CGI this film had, was great , but i dont think you could have put a better directer behind the chair to make this movie, just wish there was a llittle more Bam WAm yes mame thank you man suspense
During the movie the alien laid an egg in Predator, even though they didnt show it, they still basically insinuated it by showing the spider jumping towards him after he had taken off his mask.
Well... At the end of the movie he of course dies and is put on that table thing... And this weird Thing comes out of him... Anyone know what it is or why it happened?The only conclusions ive been able to draw out, is
An alien puts eggs in a human, It makes an Alien...
An Alien puts eggs in a predator... It makes a...???
Makes a predalien. A Predalien is big and ugly. It has a long tail like an alien and also, somewhat of an alien head with the face of a predator. It can jump far and pounce but it doesn't have the visions that the predator has. Go out and buy the games AVP, AVP2, and the expansion pack. Alot of the movie will make sense. At the very end of the expansion pack "primal hungt", one the predators is a sacrifice (He gets attacked by a facehugger before/while he goes into stasis) and at the very end of the predator mission, the predator dies and the predalien chest burster bursts out. Mission completed. THere is also a Praetorian in the games. Which is somewhat, in size, inbetween the drone and the queen...Has stronger armer and is overall, stronger than the drones. Look into the series and you will see that the movie isn't completely BS. Also, to the person that said that the bishop isn't the same...of course he is. This AVP takes place in 2004 while the original alien movies take place in what? 24XX or something like that. Read interviews and check out the featurettes. Anderson mentions something about the bishop being the same (prior to cloning himself into the androids that we know as bishop in the alien movies)
EDIT: ALSO, I think that the formula that Andreson used in this movie is better for this genre film. THis is what made the first predator movie, Alien, ALiens so successful. In the first predator movie, you don't see the predator until...40 some minutes into the movie and that time, he's still in his camoflauge mode. When we finally see the actual predator, that's like at 1 hour, 10 min. into the movie, no? Same goes with the first Alien movie. YOu don't see an alien until 45 minutes into the movie and that was a facehugger. It's a way of keeping you interested and on the edge of your seat. THink i'm full of shit? looking at the amount of money, popularity, CLASSIC status of those 2 movies. Those numbers don't lie. As for sequels, a genre sequel (or any sequel for that matter), you should always have MORE action, MORE of the bad guys (in this case, more aliens and Predators)...this is why Predator 2, Alien3, and Alien Ressurection didn't do as well as their prior movies. In the 2nd predator, you see the predator in the first 5 minutes of the movie (hell, you even start the movie looking thru pred's heat vision) and as it turns out, it's just ONE predator hunting someone that's half of the badass that Arnold was in the first one. That's not exciting, dude. There's just 1 predator until the very end of the movie but they only serve the purpose to make the scene make sense. Same goes for alien3 and alien resurrection. There's a queen alien that you see at the very beginning and while you have the essential "more", there's no where to go. No suspense or anything...Just BS killing. Aliens was a different story. again, going with the formula that works. You wait 45 or so minutes until you see TONS of aliens and when they come, they come. IMHO, THAT'S filmaking. THEY knew what they were doing and they KNEW what works. I praise Anderson for sticking to something that works instead of making some other BS "vs" movie like Freddy Vs. Jason (i'm not saying I didn't like it...i did...alot) but rather just saying taht the wait and suspense works and is more effective. Just another point of view/opinion.
Good and great points man. I always defend andersons's work's because he seems to care more than most dont about what he puts out. as for Avp i am still on the line though. i know it, and always did acknowledge that Anderson's moving making technique's and style, as well as being such a fan of theses films,was the best thing for this movie, no one else could have pulled this movie off. I mean no one. For what it is, it is pretty great, but still somthing hangs in the air as if somthing was missing from the movie. I think maybe but maybe not ..writing?
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...but still somthing hangs in the air as if somthing was missing from the movie. I think maybe but maybe not ..writing?
Naw, homie. IMHO, the only thing missing from the movie is an ending...but it was a PERFECT set up for the sequel. You try to base the movie off of something, no? Why not at least semi-base it off of some elements in the game. As i recall off the top of my head, there weren't any predaliens in the first game. They made their appearance in the second. Also, as was stated in the movie, they come every 100 years to hunt. What's stopping Anderson from actually incorporating those elements of the game into the next movie. THEN, we can see the development of the weyland/yutani corporation, the marines, etc...When you're doing a genre film which already has some basis and background made in the form of: Games, comics, even subtle hints in the movies, following them isn't too bad of an idea. Also IMHO, Anderson did a superb job of setting everything up the way he did. It KINDA seemed, at least what I got out of it, that this movie was more of a setup to the bigger movie to come. This one gave background info, subtle character development and ended with a predalien chestburster bursting out of the dead Pred. Kudos to Anderson for making such a film. I'm expecting nothing but the best in the upcoming movie!
The movie went along pretty well with Aliens and the predator movies... There was a few flaws in the storyline with the aliens and predators and the temple and stuff, but basically, they took the holes they left n predators and the aliens movies, and patched them in with some explination in this one.
A predalien huh? Hmmm...
Originally posted by ThuggnBLUE
Makes a predalien. A Predalien is big and ugly. It has a long tail like an alien and also, somewhat of an alien head with the face of a predator. It can jump far and pounce but it doesn't have the visions that the predator has. Go out and buy the games AVP, AVP2, and the expansion pack. Alot of the movie will make sense.
But that's not how is suppose to be. The film was directed for all audiences. To say the film was directed at the fans is like the same nonsense that the Matrix folks want you to believe. In order to understand the Matrix you gotta buy the video game, read the books, watch the anime, blah..blah..blah. If that's the purpose behind AVP then is dull.
I seen the Dark Horse comics of AVP, but never bother to read them because I felt the storylines were alternate to the movies. Now, I'm more of a fan of the films than the comic book or the video games. What I want it from AVP was some non-stop kick ass action between the two main characters. I didn't wanted NO humans intervene in the battle. The battle shoulda been Aliens and Predators blasting each other to pieces. I can understand fans of the video game and comic book enjoying the humans take part, but not me. If the director wanted to satisfied the fans of the comics and the video game then he did suceeded. I, as a fan of the films was not sastified with AVP.
But no point in crying over spill milk. If you're a fan of the comic and the video game, I glad you guys enjoyed. I didn't, so too bad for me.
But that's not how is suppose to be. The film was directed for all audiences.
At no point in ANY of my responses did I say that you HAD to know the games, or the series, in order for the movie to make sense. Lemme rephrase what I was trying to say. What was meant was that if you knew the series or the games, then you would know basic storyplot for the movie. To say that the movie wasn't enough to satisfy an AVP fan (fan of what..without the games, comics, previous series...what else is there to go off of?) like yourself, then stay tuned for the second. As i explained myself in the second entry, near the end, is suffice for you to understand what I am trying to say. Also, the italian professor explained more or less what the pyramid was, who the species were, etc. IMO, it was not needed but i UNDERSTAND why it is that anderson wrote that part. To fill people in on what it was, etc. Kinda self fulfilling. While i don't see this movie winning best picture at the Academy Awards, and stuff, i really would go as far as saying as this is the next best thing following the orignal predator movie as well as the first 2 alien movies. You say you would have wanted it to be non-stop fighting between the pred and the alien but instead, you see a girl join up with the predator. again, IMHO, you see character development, and shall i say? "depth" to the Predator. The 2 species are super advanced and both have critical thinking skills BUT unlike the alien, the predator feels "compassion" and a sense of emotion. You see that in the first 2 predator movies as well, in the first one being how the Predator never attacked the girl because she wasn't armed. as Arnold says, and I quote, "No, put it down. It didn't attack you because you weren't armed"...the second of these instances was in Predator 2 during the subway scene. When the lady officer goes to the back of the train to look for the other officer but the pred grabs her by the neck, lifts her up and is about to kill her...but he sees that she's pregnant and lets her live. The same can be said about Bishop and the girl in AVP...except bishop was being spared cuz he was sick and was about to die BUT attacked the predator. Guess what? He was armed. There's not discussing Predator development/depth in the movie...I don't see what the big deal is about this one. No one said anything in the first 2, no?
Originally posted by ThuggnBLUE
To say that the movie wasn't enough to satisfy an AVP fan (fan of what..without the games, comics, previous series...what else is there to go off of?) like yourself, then stay tuned for the second. As i explained myself in the second entry, near the end, is suffice for you to understand what I am trying to say.
Oh, I still want to see a second installment. I'm not giving up on AVP yet. Just don't expect some of us to accept what they throw at us.
Originally posted by ThuggnBLUE
Also, the italian professor explained more or less what the pyramid was, who the species were, etc. IMO, it was not needed but i UNDERSTAND why it is that anderson wrote that part.
That's one things that bug me about the movie! The Pyramid, according to the Professor the pyramid would shift every ten minutes......Where did all the shifting stop the last 30 minutes of the movie? Also, why there was no shifting during the fight between the Predator and the Alien?
Originally posted by ThuggnBLUE
You say you would have wanted it to be non-stop fighting between the pred and the alien but instead, you see a girl join up with the predator. again, IMHO, you see character development, and shall i say? "depth" to the Predator. The 2 species are super advanced and both have critical thinking skills BUT unlike the alien, the predator feels "compassion" and a sense of emotion.
I think the character development was well establish in the previous predator films. The creature hunts and kills species that are worth a challenge. If they wanted more character depth.....maybe a little more dialogue?
Originally posted by ThuggnBLUE
You see that in the first 2 predator movies as well, in the first one being how the Predator never attacked the girl because she wasn't armed. as Arnold says, and I quote, "No, put it down. It didn't attack you because you weren't armed"...the second of these instances was in Predator 2 during the subway scene. When the lady officer goes to the back of the train to look for the other officer but the pred grabs her by the neck, lifts her up and is about to kill her...but he sees that she's pregnant and lets her live. The same can be said about Bishop and the girl in AVP...except bishop was being spared cuz he was sick and was about to die BUT attacked the predator. Guess what? He was armed.
That I do agree with! The predator kills those that are armed. Anna in The original Predator was holding a machine gun and Arnold shouts at her and kicks the gun outta her hand. Now, does that apply to AVP? That's a little tricky. Because the idea of the Predators was to attract humans to the pyramid and hunt them down. As I recalled the girl was carrying the shoulder cannon in her backpack. The question is do the Predators punish those that steals from them? If they are an honorable race of hunters you would think that they will get angry if anyone touched their hunting gear.
i saw this movie on friday and was REALLY disappointed. WHY? the Predator's were pretty much ***** SLAPPED!!! I'm a HUGE pred fan, but knowing that anderson was already alien biased (read his interviews, he brags about how strong and how much he likes the aliens, never mentions the preds), but i never would have IMAGINED that he would have killed off 2/3 of the pred team by ONE alien!!!!! If you've played the games or read the comics, then you know preds can easily take on 5-10 aliens. Somehow, though, in anderson's movie-ruining mind, he figures out that a single alien can kill 2 preds. Even in the games on the hardest difficulty level, you can ONLY fight 2 preds with the alien.... cuz any more and you would just be raped.
Also.. he made the aliens too smart (freeing the queen by sacrficiing theselves.) they are supposed to be mindless killing machines. ONly in alien: ressurrectin were they somewhat intelligent, and that was because they were genetically altered....
I give the movie a 3/10