Originally posted by pr1983
fanboy? me?i never said he was a martial arts master, read my damn posts...
if colossus is stronger and faster then how can he not win in a slug fest of he hits harder?
I wasn't attacking you specifically. Chill.
I was referring to the general opinions of Colossus being able to
win based on his supposed "judo training."
There's more to winning a fight than strenght and speed alone.
First of all, Thing is not slow. Colossus is not an olympic athlete.
His speed over Thing is slight. Experience is probably the factor
Thing has in this fight that I think would make him the winner.
He is FAR more experienced than Colossus.
Originally posted by Zahit
There's more to winning a fight than strenght and speed alone.
First of all, Thing is not slow.
Colossus is not an olympic athlete.
His speed over Thing is slight.
Experience is probably the factor
Not enough to declare Ben the winner.
First of all, where does is show that Colossus is faster than the Thing?
It is clearly stated that The Thing's above average reflexes have not
been slowed due to his transformation. Ben Grimm's a brilliant
military pilot and has a lifetime of experience in hand-to-hand combat.
Peter Rasputin was a farmer before joining X-Men. Why are we
assuming that he's faster than Ben?
I wasn't attacking you specifically. Chill.
I was referring to the general opinions of Colossus being able to
win based on his supposed "judo training."There's more to winning a fight than strenght and speed alone.
First of all, Thing is not slow. Colossus is not an olympic athlete.
His speed over Thing is slight. Experience is probably the factor
Thing has in this fight that I think would make him the winner.
He is FAR more experienced than Colossus.
apologies... i just don't like the term...
he has lived in the same house as wolverine for years, is it such a push to believe that if even cyclops learns from him that colossus wouldn't?
can i ask who said judo? i didn't...
i never said thing was slow, but it has been stated that colossus loses almost zero agility and speed when he transforms...
Having more strength, to my knowledge, doesn't actually mean hitting harder unless you can put that much force behind it.
colossus is class 100, thing is at best 85, colossus does weight training in his human form daily, which further augments his abilities when transformed into metal...
"Hahaha, I get it, let's just ignore the strength, speed, brains, fighting techniques and durability, and we focus on experience because that's the only thing Ben Grimm has lots of, and Colossus somewhat less.
Not enough to declare Ben the winner."
Yet having slightly less strength and possibly durability is enough to count him out?
Bit silly.
-AC
guys... i've posted this before...
no matter how big or strong you are, if a guy bigger and stronger than you slams you down onto the ground your going to feel it. why? the force of the throw... momentum...
Yet having slightly less strength and possibly durability is enough to count him out?Bit silly.
not really dude 😛
not slightly less in either, colossus' recent upgrade has lifted him several tons past thing...
and his durability is unbelievably high...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yet having slightly less strength and possibly durability is enough to count him out?Bit silly.
And those are in this fight the most important factors. Experience will count for something, true, but Colossus isn't exactly a rookie either.
And it's more than "slightly". Colossus is considerable stronger. That is not a detail. And organic steel is stronger than organic rock. Makes perfect sense to me.
"And it's more than "slightly". Colossus is considerable stronger. That is not a detail. And organic steel is stronger than organic rock. Makes perfect sense to me."
I see what you are saying, however, those attributes you stated in your post, for either guy, as they are too equal, won't exactly play an insane part in the outcome of this fight IMO.
It will come down to who wants it more, who wants to walk away the victor with more passion.
I don't think Colossus cares whether he wins or loses fights. Thing fights people with the "strong guy" label because he is one himself. He isn't gonna be anywhere as reserved as Colossus would likely be and because of it, I don't believe the higher, "on paper" attributes of Colossus are gonna win him this fight.
-AC
I don't think Colossus cares whether he wins or loses fights. Thing fights people with the "strong guy" label because he is one himself. He isn't gonna be anywhere as reserved as Colossus would likely be and because of it, I don't believe the higher, "on paper" attributes of Colossus are gonna win him this fight.
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colossus if he has to cares quite a bit... he has killed before... when he's pushed any reservations and inhibitions go out the window... if the match is to the death colossus can definately be psyched up for it...
are these guys just sparring or is this an actual fight?
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomDoes anyone here can honestly believe in a fight between these two, judo throws will be coming to the forefront and making a massive difference?
Originally posted by Zahit
Thing lasted longer in the ring with The Champion than Colossus.
He's already proved to be a better fighter and have more heart.