silver surfer vs superman

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

Regardless, the Silver Surfer casually travels through space at millions of times the speed of light. Superman's speed is of no comparison.

Anyways switching gears here I have been doing somethinking and come to the conclusion I wonder being Kyrptonite isnt from the MU I wonder if Surfers power cosmic would enalble him to even create it. I dont think it would cause if it dont exist in his universe how could he make it?

His power cosmic enables him to create anything from the MU but not the DCU.

That would be like Quicksilver being able to tap into the speedforce.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Isnt that called hyperspace? Once you go over light speed you go into hyperspace.

Anyways switching gears here I have been doing somethinking and come to the conclusion I wonder being Kyrptonite isnt from the MU I wonder if Surfers power cosmic would enalble him to even create it. I dont think it would cause if it dont exist in his universe how could he make it?

His power cosmic enables him to create anything from the MU but not the DCU.

That would be like Quicksilver being able to tap into the speedforce.

Kryptonite might not physically exist in the Marvel Universe, but then again it might. Just because no ones found it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Also, Kryptonite is just a certain way of arranging matter. Theres nothing mystical or magical about it, right (unlike Speed Force)? Thats what all things are, just ways of arranging matter. Surfer can use his cosmic awareness to figure out Supeses weakness then transmute something else into kryptonite.

There might be no "Smells like Teen Spirit" composed yet in MU, but would that prevent three teenagers from writing that song? 😉

I think your wrong. Those elements dont exist in the MU.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think your wrong. Those elements dont exist in the MU.

what does that mean, exactly? Elemental atoms are just arrangements of quarks and electrons. If Kyrptonite is an element composed of an atom that doesnt occur in the Marvel Universe, all Surfer has to do is create that atom by putting together the appropriate basic particles. Voila, Kryptonite.

Unless theres some magical or mystical property to Kryptonite, theres absolutely no reason SS cant create it.

Finally, where does it say Kryptonite doesnt exist in MU? New elements are being discovered every day here on earth... even now.

Snoop, he doesn't need to emit or create "kryptonite", per se, he just needs to emit the energy signature of kryptonite and/or red sunlight to disrupt Supes's biomatrix and kill him. Just the radiation. Surfer's cosmic awareness allows him to read energy signatures. It's the same reason he could wave his hand and kill Gladiator if he wished. Same thing for Supes. Supes is solar powered and vulnerable to radiation (Solaris for example). The Sun and solar energy does exist in the MU. One wave of a silver hand or radiation pulse and Kal El would be dead if they fight in outer space. On Earth he'd at least be able to breath afterwards, but he'd be suffering from radiation poisoning.

Originally posted by FieryBalrog

Finally, where does it say Kryptonite doesnt exist in MU? New elements are being discovered every day here on earth... even now.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Where does it say that it does?

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I didnt say it DID exist, I said it COULD. Besides, many elements dont exist naturally. They can still be created artificially. Surfer could create it.

Well if you say could Kyptonite exists in the MU then I cant argue with you.

Then that means that Krypton and the speed force could possiby exist in the Marve Universe also. 😱

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well if you say could Kyptonite exists in the MU then I cant argue with you.

its a good thing I didnt say that then, isnt it? 😄

Originally posted by FieryBalrog
its a good thing I didnt say that then, isnt it? 😄

All he has to do is read Superman's energy aura and simulate kryptonite's energy pattern.

Red sunlight would work too, and it isn't as cheesy as using kryptonite.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
All he has to do is read Superman's energy aura and simulate kryptonite's energy pattern.

Red sunlight would work too, and it isn't as cheesy as using kryptonite.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I edited 😉

If he wanted to, Surfer could warp to DC's universe and get kryptonite. But, he doesn't have to. Energy manipulation is just one of the many ways Surfer could win.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I edited 😉

what do Kryptonite and the Speed Force have to do with each other? Kryptonite is a relatively scientific thing, an element which could be hiding out in a corner of the galaxy. Speed Force is a dimension that you would think someone would have tapped into by now. Of course, theres a possibility that its there, but its not one of those things that could be hiding out somewhere like aliens or kryptonite.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Very true but red sunlight isnt a consistent weakness of Superman. I would stick witht he Kryptonite if I was Surfer(assuming he could).

From what I've read in Superman's comics, it can penetrate his bio aura. That's all Surfer needs it to do.

Kryptonite takes away Superman's powers altogether. Red Sunlight just hurts him.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If he wanted to, Surfer could warp to DC's universe and get kryptonite.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I dont think he can do that. Access is the only character who can bounce from Universe to Universe.

He can. That's how he reached DC's universe in the crossover. Dimensional warping is one of Surfer's many powers.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
From what I've read in Superman's comics, it can penetrate his bio aura. That's all Surfer needs it to do.

crossovers aren't considered canon though, right...

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He can. That's how he reached DC's universe in the crossover. Dimensional warping is one of Surfer's many powers.

Silver Surfer/Superman?