top lefthand panel... the blast does not go offscreen... if the blast travels as fast as "light" then it would go offpanel at all times.
http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=18754_XMEN45pg11_122_548lo.jpg
im done trying to convince anyone for tonight that cyclops blasts are fast... but not light speed.
i love the character... but i still don't think the blasts are that fast.
im just arguing with what i consider to be proof that cyclops blasts are not moving at the speed of light. so far you've made statements against those pictures... but not provided proof of your own. (although if i scanned over and you did post proof but i just didn't see it, i apologize)
i will agree that until some post comes out about something other then the relative power of his blasts... (which was measured by iron man) i won't be able to say definitively how fast he fires a blast.
Originally posted by rotiartThe first thing you posted was something more relevant to the speed of Cyclops as a whole. The second was artistic, as was the third. Both can be refuted with contrary artistic representation as described above.
im just arguing with what i consider to be proof that cyclops blasts are not moving at the speed of light. so far you've made statements against those pictures... but not provided proof of your own. (although if i scanned over and you did post proof but i just didn't see it, i apologize)i will agree that until some post comes out about something other then the relative power of his blasts... (which was measured by iron man) i won't be able to say definitively how fast he fires a blast.
Re: Speed of blasts.
We've seen his blasts bounce off multiple objects - in a straight line from object to object and hitting all objects in the same frame. (check the robot scan).
We've seen his blasts travel long distances in a perfectly straight line. If his beam were slow, it would bend down towards the ground, due to gravity pulling it down. The slower the beam, the quicker it would hit the ground (ie more curved). The faster the beam, the longer it travel before hitting the ground - ie less curved.
The fact that his beam is always perfectly straight (unless energy manipulator is warping it), would suggest that it is incredibly fast. Possibly as fast as light.
Although this is unconfirmed.
Re: Re: Speed of blasts.
Originally posted by #1101
We've seen his blasts bounce off multiple objects - in a straight line from object to object and hitting all objects in the same frame. (check the robot scan).We've seen his blasts travel long distances in a perfectly straight line. If his beam were slow, it would bend down towards the ground, due to gravity pulling it down. The slower the beam, the quicker it would hit the ground (ie more curved). The faster the beam, the longer it travel before hitting the ground - ie less curved.
The fact that his beam is always perfectly straight (unless energy manipulator is warping it), would suggest that it is incredibly fast. Possibly as fast as light.
Although this is unconfirmed.
I'm getting tired and lazy: from marvel.com
The width of Cyclops' optic blast is focused by his mind's psionic field with the same autonomic function that regulated his original eyes' ability to focus. As Cyclops focuses, the size of the apertures change and thus act as a valve to control the flow of particles and the beam's relative power. The height of Cyclops's eye-blast is controlled by his visor's adjustable slit. The beam's effective range is approximately 2,000 feet.
if cyclops blasts were as fast as light... his range would know technically no limit...
It doesn't have to bend down necessary because of the strength of the blast... recently a blast from cyclops was measured as 1-2 gigawatts i forget which, but it is the equivalent of a large nuclear power plant. thats a lot of power... power exerts force.. thats what keeps the beams straight.
almost everyones powers are showing flowing straight.... even a bullet leaving a gun flies straight until it loses its forward momentum. we haven't seen cyclops reach the end of his because he doesn't always have to fire out across 2000 feet... generally its like 100 feet or less...
Light intensity dissipates over a distance. Cyclop's blasts are subject to friction as they have mass. The blasts need not have limitless range.
Originally posted by rotiartI didn't dismiss it. I offered counter point to them.
Just stating that you asked King Mungi for proof, and i did my best to provide what I could find right now.You dismiss it readily.
I was just hoping you'd provide your own proof if I tried to provide some for the counter argument.
By not providing proof, I assume you mean providing scan. I described instances of contrary occurrances to what you show.
Re: Re: Speed of blasts.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't really need to be convinced, I'm really more playing devil's advocate. The most one can really surmise about the blasts is that they are very, very fast.
Sure they are, I just made comment simply on the fact people mentioned them to be lightspeed. I'm not discrediting their speed, but light speed? I don't think so
Originally posted by rotiart
Just stating that you asked King Mungi for proof, and i did my best to provide what I could find right now.You dismiss it readily.
I was just hoping you'd provide your own proof if I tried to provide some for the counter argument.
You did an excellent job, all I wanted was proof they go lightspeed andhave yet to recieve any
Originally posted by #1101
We've seen his blasts bounce off multiple objects - in a straight line from object to object and hitting all objects in the same frame. (check the robot scan).We've seen his blasts travel long distances in a perfectly straight line. If his beam were slow, it would bend down towards the ground, due to gravity pulling it down. The slower the beam, the quicker it would hit the ground (ie more curved). The faster the beam, the longer it travel before hitting the ground - ie less curved.
The fact that his beam is always perfectly straight (unless energy manipulator is warping it), would suggest that it is incredibly fast. Possibly as fast as light.
Although this is unconfirmed.
Guardian's E-M blasts have reflected and refracted and they travel in straight distances and they don't bend either. Their hardly lightspeed, Cyclops blasts are not even made of photons.
Originally posted by rotiart
top lefthand panel... the blast does not go offscreen... if the blast travels as fast as "light" then it would go offpanel at all times.http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=18754_XMEN45pg11_122_548lo.jpg
im done trying to convince anyone for tonight that cyclops blasts are fast... but not light speed.
i love the character... but i still don't think the blasts are that fast.
Um 😐
Quicksilver Speed >x10000 Wolverine's Speed
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Are Guardians blasts made of some energy types of electromagnetic spectrum?I am not completely sure of this, but don't the energy types of EM Spectrum move with the speed of light? Or at least very close to it.
Their E-M blasts, but as mentioned they don't go lightspeed. Cyclops blasts are kinentic energy converted to gravitons. Can they go lightspeed?
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not all depends on the wavelength, it was even stated in Mac's early apperances before he could tap into the entire E-M spectrum they wern't lightspeed.
Assuming it's true em energy, then yeah, it should.
But w/e, I can't really argue semantics when comics are involved. 😂
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Their E-M blasts, but as mentioned they don't go lightspeed. Cyclops blasts are kinentic energy converted to gravitons. Can they go lightspeed?
I'm pretty sure Cyclops is powered by solar radiation, not kinetic energy. And though graviton is hypothetical particle, I think that scientist believe that it goes with speed of light, since it's massless and all.
Where did this graviton thing come anyway? I've never even heard that Cyclops blasts are gravitons...
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerInteresting. Not a physicist, but I do believe you're right DC, at least from what I've seen gravitons are thought to move at c. So if Cyclops blasts are the emission of gravitons, they travel at the speed of light.
I'm pretty sure Cyclops is powered by solar radiation, not kinetic energy. And though graviton is hypothetical particle, I think that scientist believe that it goes with speed of light, since it's massless and all.Where did this graviton thing come anyway? I've never even heard that Cyclops blasts are gravitons...
