Silver Surfer vs Thor

SS defintely has the potential to whup Thor but c'mon SS never does..so Thor. If SS lost his fricken mind or traded minds with someone like Punisher he'd own Thor every time.

Originally posted by Dizzle

I'm pretty sure Surfer's taken him down before... And Tyrant DID state that he was more powerful than Beta Ray Bill. And Gladiator. And Jack of Hearts. And Terrax.

Actually, I cant remember one instance when Surfer has even come close to taking thor down. As for tyrant's statement, it wasnt simply relating to physical strength but overall power. Gladiator, BRB etc are beyond SS if strength is the only measure of power.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Thor has increased in power greatly since the old days. He can use magic on a level comparable to Dr. Strange, he doesn't need Mjolnir much at all, and he goes back and forth with the OdinForce. He is vastly more powerful than Classic Thor. I haven't read Surfer in years, but I don't buy that 'rearranges matter' crap, otherwise he could cause great disruption in the space-time continuim. I imagine the 'rearranging matter' is mis-read or misunderstood by whomever clings to that power. I guarantee you it's very limited. Again, Thor is just too powerful to be stopped by anyone below Thanos or Galactus.

"thor can use magic on a level comparable to Dr. strange."
is cough cough b.s.
you must mean king thor.
thor can't use magic anywhere near the likes of strange.
his magic ability (if any) is non existant.

This fight is the mother of herald-levellers fights. Really. Thor/Surfer is the most poewrful of Marvel heroes. I'm a Thor guy. But i say this cld go 50-50 in a all out rumble.

If writers have batman hurt superman with punches and kicks then why in good faith should we use this feat (and feats like this) as evidence.

I have come up with a new solution to this problem

1. If in a comic there is a feat which contradicts other feats and or exact power descriptions then that feat should be considered bad writing and not usable for evidence.

note: One must remember that all writers never read the entire line of comics that they are writing for. If they do then you would almost never see bad writing from them.

Here is the contradiction to this battle

Thor has hit many with his hammer (many of whom possesses under a 6 in durability and well under SS in durability) and in which they still were conscience.

SS is listed as a 7 in durability and has been shown to take devastating hits and blasts with little to no effect.

But thor knocked him out. "Contradiction!"

With that said. SS should always beat thor.

I cant add anything that hasnt already been said. But its excellent reading. Well bloody done.

Surfer wins but not by turning Thor into cosmic toilet paper no matter how hilarious that image is.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Trapping him in an adamantium bubble's been countered? WHERE!?!?! I'll agree that Thor has more power, but Surfer is WAY more veratile with his matter manipulating abilities.

I'm pretty sure Surfer's taken him down before... And Tyrant DID state that he was more powerful than Beta Ray Bill. And Gladiator. And Jack of Hearts. And Terrax.

Surfer's power does have a limit, but in this fight, the difference that it will make is slim to none. It's debatable whether Surfer really fights against Thanos, or if he jobs simply because it's Thanos. By all accounts, Surfer is a billion times faster, and much more versatile. Thanos would have the edges in blasting power, strength, and durability, but it should at least be a very even fight.

I respect leo's opinion, but I think he's thinking too much about simply Thor. You said that, written well, Thor should win 6/10. However, you really have to consider what fighting "well" is for the Silver Surfer. In terms of speed, he IS Flash. I have yet to see Wally perform a single feat that I can't counter with an equally impressive Surfer one. Written "well", Thor wouldn't be able to touch him.

Surfer has a lot more versatility than Thor. His matter manipulation is on a much higher scale than Thor's so I really don't see how Thor would ever succeed in breaking out of an inch thick bubble of adamantium, as Surfer has transformed air into rock before.

Thor is a beast. He is easily more powerful, (GODFORCE) and the energy absorption would be a huge help to him, especially against a guy like SS. However, this tactic assumes that Surfer fights one dimensionally, and immediately goes for a simply blast every time, and also assumes that Surfer is NOT using his massive speed advantage.

Fighting in character, Surfer probably would go for a blast and ignore his speed. However, Thor would probably counter, as Mindship stated, by swinging his hammer around. Both are easily powerful enough to put the other down fairly quickly, so in character, I can see a very, very close match. As you climb towards their absolute potential, however, Surfer pulls ahead of Thor by a good margin, IMO. Surfer should take at least 8 of 10.

some good points, but a couple i have a problem with. (1) adamantium bubble/shell. first, he's never done it in a comic. again, the only way to explain it is PIS or he can't for some reason. and why stop there, anyway? why not create a PLANET of adamantium around him and encase him in that? second, (and more logical) i could show a scan of thor activating the teleportaional powers of of his hammer without spinning. he could just teleport out of it. third, it's possible his own godforce blast could shatter it.

as far as speed -- ss has VERY few actual combat speed feats. travel time he is uber -- not as fast as flash imo, but still -- he's even had the odd blitz. combat speed feats? nary a one. as far as absolute power -- not sure what you mean. a couple times you said thor was more powerful and godblast trumps anything ss has. mjollnir also has a plethora of other uber abilities that i don't have time to get into at the moment. both written to max, it's extrememly close. i still say thor more often. 8/10 (for either) i think is far too much.

This two are very well matched.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I'd go with the Sufer in this one. The reason is he has gone against beings far stronger than Thor and either held his own or knocked them out. Now Mjolnir might be able to negate most of the Surfer's energy attacks (assuming Thor actually uses it to its full potential) and he does have more h2h experience than the Surfer, but if the Surfer is also fighting up to his true potential then I think he could easily surpass Thor in terms of strength and durability.

Durability:
Surfer has not only survived going through a sun but also a black hole. Consider the forces he would have experience, it is a very impressive durability feat.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GalactusTheDevourer2-15.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_134p05.jpg

And as to the fight itself, as I said the Surfer has taken on beings far stronger and tougher than Thor. Here he fights Krosakis who has absorbed the powers of Gladiator and the Uni-power (so we are talking about a being who has 50 times the strength and durabilty of Glads). Not only did the Surfer take hits from him and not get k.o.'ed but he actually managed to make the guy bleed.

http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CaptainUniverseSS1-06.jpg
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Impressive.

I have to go with Surfer on this.
The few times Surfer has cut loose have been crazy!
I know I wouldn't want to be around while these two go at it.

Durability:
Surfer has not only survived going through a sun but also a black hole. Consider the forces he would have experience, it is a very impressive durability feat.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...evourer2-15.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...r_v3_134p05.jpg

I'd take Surfer in this fight.
But both have taken on enemies stronger than the other, imo.

Originally posted by Juntai
I agree. But why does no-one really defend it like that when Superman does it? lol.

I'd take Surfer in this fight.
But both have taken on enemies stronger than the other, imo.

Yea I know. 😉 Being able to fly through or even near a black-hole should practically equal physical indestructibility, imo.

Leonidas makes a good point perhaps we all should keep in mind: the Surfer and Thor know each other very well. No doubt this will dictate a change of strategy, for both, very different from if they were meeting and fighting for the first time.

I just saw a bunch of scans showing Surfer fighting Thor (don't know if they've been posted in this thread and i can't be bothered to check)

Originally posted by Accel
Credit goes to Imperial for the following scans.

From Silver Surfer #86,Surfer vs Thor maddened under the influence of the Valkyrie:
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Later in the Blood & Thunder arc,maddened Thor vs Surfer & Adam Warlock from Warlock & the Infinity Watch #23:
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Thor & Valkyrie vs the Infinity Watch from Thor #469 (B & T):
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From Thor 470, Power Gemmed Mad Thor & the Valkyrie vs The Infinity Watch,Dr.Strange,and the Silver Surfer:
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Originally posted by Scoobless
I just saw a bunch of scans showing Surfer fighting Thor (don't know if they've been posted in this thread and i can't be bothered to check)

Originally posted by Scoobless
I just saw a bunch of scans showing Surfer fighting Thor (don't know if they've been posted in this thread and i can't be bothered to check)

Great scans (though I'm not too impressed with the artwork from the first set)...however, I feel it only fair to remind all that this was Warrior-Madness Thor, with some ten times his baseline power. Even I, an ardent, long-term Surfer fan, would not say Surfer could win against him, not like this.

But damn, I sure wouldn't mind having all those curvaceous powerbabes gang up on me like that.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
]]Lots of PIS/ CIS in those scans Scoob

which parts?

Originally posted by Mindship
Great scans (though I'm not too impressed with the artwork from the first set)...however, I feel it only fair to remind all that this was Warrior-Madness Thor, with some ten times his baseline power. Even I, an ardent, long-term Surfer fan, would not say Surfer could win against him, not like this.

But damn, I sure wouldn't mind having all those curvaceous powerbabes gang up on me like that.

SURFER>SURFER😖URFER!
Seriously. Ill give the gods credit for taking care of their own little worlds but they fall smack dab into the heart of the Universe.
and where the Universe is concerned there is really only one answer...no matter how much I like Gladiator the answer is Norrin Radd.